LB48 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 We don't have that big man in the middle that can plug gaps and take on double teams. Star was responsible for that but under appreciated by Bills fans. He made it easier for the rest of the DL to make plays by plugging up the middle. Jordan Phillips may have made too much noise for the coaches but he could pressure on the QB and disrupt the opponents defense. At 325 lbs and with agility he was a force. Now the Bills are bringing in FA & undrafted DT 's looking for someone to do the same job. It's an obvious concern for the coaches with just 2 weeks before the season begins.. Maybe a draft choice trade to get the big DT to Buffalo? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Harrison Phillips will do a damn good job replacing them in my opinion. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Vernon Butler and Phillips shoud fill that role 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 OP, Questions which can’t be answered with any reference are not new topic material. Reserve your inquiring mind questions for ongoing topics regarding DL play, please. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 well our interior was gashed a few times last season, most notably the Eagles game and the game against the Skins I had the binocs on them as AP ran wild again, including carrying Levi like a bag of groceries when Wallace tried to tackle him up-high in the backfield...sure the DL has to absorb the OL but LBs need to make the right reads as well and the quickness this all happens thru binocs is something to behold...to me the reads of the LBs is just as important as the interior DL play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Nothing that Frank Reich at QB couldn't fix... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Harrison Phillips is our best all around DT, hopefully he's ready. It may take a few games. I said that last year, he was just starting to play at a high level when injured. He'll replace Star easily if he's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, LB48 said: We don't have that big man in the middle that can plug gaps and take on double teams. Star was responsible for that but under appreciated by Bills fans. He made it easier for the rest of the DL to make plays by plugging up the middle. Jordan Phillips may have made too much noise for the coaches but he could pressure on the QB and disrupt the opponents defense. At 325 lbs and with agility he was a force. Now the Bills are bringing in FA & undrafted DT 's looking for someone to do the same job. It's an obvious concern for the coaches with just 2 weeks before the season begins.. Maybe a draft choice trade to get the big DT to Buffalo? When Star was here we had a big man that couldn’t demand double teams or plug holes so how does losing him hurt us? I’m serious. He’s not under appreciated here because he’s been below average at his job while being way overpaid. Edited August 30, 2020 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Jordan Phillips was overrated IMHO. He did a good job, but many of his sacks came where he was unblocked. They were inflated. He's an OK run-stopper, but nothing someone else can't do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I think we've done more than enough to replace what we lost. Oliver, Butler, getting Harry back, Jefferson, and Taylor will be just fine. They will also be moving Epenesa all over the line. Another year in the system and an offseason of growth from both Edmunds and Milano will help as well. I think we will be better tbh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Phillips wasn’t a run stopping DT. He won’t be missed in the run defense. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Vernon Butler 331 lbs. Harrison Phillips. 307lbs. Quinten Jefferson. 291 lbs. Ed Oliver. 287 lbs. Star Lotulelei 315 lbs. Jordan Phillips. 340 lbs. That took all of three minutes on google LB48. The projected current four are no shrinking violets, and as Chandler said, probably to start a thread on these four and what are their strengths or in you’re case weaknesses. I haven’t read anything on training camp the DT’s doing a terrible job handling the run. It doesn’t bother me LB, but it’s kind of like Tyson would best Ali both in their prime. It’s a non starter as there is no way to know. Just remember in today’s football, it’s not all about weight that wins the battle. What we do have is four guys with high motors and have a track record or are growing into excellent interior penetration abilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Phillips wasn’t a run stopping DT. He won’t be missed in the run defense. Yeah, I’ll go one step further; he was a liability for the run defense. Addition by subtraction. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 No, Bills will be fine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Star opted out b.c he knew he was gonna be cut. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 hours ago, LB48 said: We don't have that big man in the middle that can plug gaps and take on double teams. Star was responsible for that but under appreciated by Bills fans. He made it easier for the rest of the DL to make plays by plugging up the middle. Jordan Phillips may have made too much noise for the coaches but he could pressure on the QB and disrupt the opponents defense. At 325 lbs and with agility he was a force. Now the Bills are bringing in FA & undrafted DT 's looking for someone to do the same job. It's an obvious concern for the coaches with just 2 weeks before the season begins.. Maybe a draft choice trade to get the big DT to Buffalo? Jordan Phillips could bring pressure on the QB and disrupt the opponents D, but it came at a price: there were games where we got gashed big time where he was too quick to penetrate and left us vulnerable to the run. Star could be a force, but he also sometimes took plays off and teams could play around him. I don't think the Bills are bringing in FAs because they're looking for a starter. I think they're looking for improved depth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 hours ago, LB48 said: We don't have that big man in the middle that can plug gaps and take on double teams. Star was responsible for that but under appreciated by Bills fans. He made it easier for the rest of the DL to make plays by plugging up the middle. Jordan Phillips may have made too much noise for the coaches but he could pressure on the QB and disrupt the opponents defense. At 325 lbs and with agility he was a force. Now the Bills are bringing in FA & undrafted DT 's looking for someone to do the same job. It's an obvious concern for the coaches with just 2 weeks before the season begins.. Maybe a draft choice trade to get the big DT to Buffalo? you mention two drastically different players and then filling it as a singular hole. i think we have enough penetrating with Oliver and some big bodies that can kick inside. With an injury it could be rough. the stout run stuffer is easier to fill. And I don’t think Starr was GREAT at it. I would not trade a pick for a premium DT knowing it’s not a long term need with us stuck with Starr’s return and contract tolling. If there’s a decent guy that can be had on a 1 year deal at low price, I guess go for it (ala the raiders dolphins trade this week) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 The loss of Jordan Phillips Does The loss of Star Does Not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Maybe, but not anymore likely than we have been. I constantly read conflicting opinions on run stuffing about both Star and Phillips, so they are probably average or above in that task. So again not anymore likely than we have been. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Vernon Butler and Phillips shoud fill that role This 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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