Another Bills reporter trying to make himself the story

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

3 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

I think the issue is that the conversation was one that happened exclusively because of his status as a reporter. So everything gained in the conversation (specifically what’s he commenting on) exists because he was being a reporter and Fromm was being and interviewee. 
 

So I don’t see the distinction in that regard. When reporters retweet or tweet or like stuff that I disagree with I don’t care that much because it’s impossible to separate “Reporter Marcel” from “person Marcel” I’m social media. But when he uses his official platform to talk trash about a player simply cause he disagrees, I find it distasteful. 
 

My $.02

Excellent points

[C.Biscuit97]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

A cop out of what? I think it was a polite way of saying he doesn't want to step into a political debate. I respect that decision. Maybe you and I are on the same page here.

 

Why does a football player need to answer that question to the media? He didn't state an opinion one way or the other. Some girl put out an image of a private conversation he had over a year ago where he made a dumb and tasteless joke. Does that mean he now has to be the face of racial equality for the rest of his career? MLJ was baiting him, plain and simple.

 

Still better than Mike Rodak though.

He literally said only elite whites should be able to buy guns and there has been a whole social movement going on.  If he didn’t say that, he won’t be asked. 
 

again, read what Allen said about black lives matter.  It was a very good response.  

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

You act like hes quoting the sermon on the mound.   

LOL my friend - some levity required here.

 

"1st pitch - Chin Music.  2nd pitch - Down and away.  3rd pitch - tight on the hands.  Then throw one he has to chase"

That's what my pitching coach said when he walked out to the mound.  

Edited August 7, 2020 by freddyjj

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

I have no problem with him tossing his faith into his lack of response. I have an issue with everyone who cannot admit that he dodged the question, which is painfully clear, and instead want to argue about the profundity of "i think the world can be a better place if we can love god first and then love people".  He may as well have said  the world can be a better place if we recycle.  Both statements are true, as deep as a bumper sticker, and only tangentially related to the question.

 

Oh he definitely dodged the question and he hid behind his faith to do it.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, freddyjj said:

LOL my friend - some levity required here.

 

"1st pitch - Chin Music.  2nd pitch - Down and away.  3rd pitch - tight on the hands.  Then throw one he has to chase"

That's what the pitching coach said when he walked out to the mound.  

LOL.  Add it to the TBDisms thread. 

 

You'll never guess who slept through Sunday school?

[GaryPinC]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because what it essentially said with God 1st, people 2nd was "well God is more important than people anyway". When being asked about issues affecting society to start your answer with that is a defense mechanism. 

 

It might be his religious belief and though I vociferously disagree with it I equally vociferously defend his right to hold that belief. But using it as a means of deflecting that question is a cop out and I don't think it does him any favours. 

This is what he was quoted as saying:

 

"There’s a lot of things going on and the last thing I want to do is get political in any sort of way, but I think the world would be a better place if we can love God first and then love people."

 

So he immediately says that he's not really going to answer the question and simply says for him love God first and then people.  For Christians of faith this is how it's taught to be, it doesn't mean he's saying "well God is more important than people anyway".  Also, one of the biggest lessons of Christ was to love all people equally.  I think it's his way of pointing back to that.

 

As far as him deflecting, why shouldn't he?  His texts were not a good look and now a certain subset of people will find bad in whatever he says.  It's already happening on this thread, including yourself. 

At this point he needs to prove who he is through his actions and that takes time.

[C.Biscuit97]

47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If I was an American citizen I would spoil my ballot if presented with that choice. 

It’s so embarrassing.  Nfl owners weren’t going to approve trump to be an owner if he had the money to buy the Bills (he didn’t) because he was they thought he was a joke.  (It’s also why he tries to bash the nfl any chance he can.  He’s a bitter dude)
 

and people think Biden is losing his mind but might win because he’s not Trump.  Good times!

[whatdrought]

21 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

you act like asking the guy that made a racist tweet what he thinks about this civil rights movement going on is some insurmountable perfect trap of nefarious intent.
 

yea, as a rule of thumb lots of good comes from people loving each other but without saying what that looks like - it amounts to saying thoughts and prayers. 
 

there are plenty of better ways to navigate that question, and what marcel thinks of the answer means little to me.

 

and no, Fromm isn’t obligated to answer anything but he is accountable to the response he gives. In this case a minor flub that had minor pushback.

Those two things have nothing to do with each other is the problem. The part of the conversation regarding his texts and the lesson he learned was over and now Marcel was asking him about this secondary issue which is highly inflammatory. 
 

Jake says he’s not going to get into that, but that in that and all things- his goal is to act in the ways outlined by his religion. 
 

What is wrong with that? What’s missing? You don’t know Jake Fromm and you don’t know what he does or doesn’t do to love people- not answering a political question isn’t a cop out, it’s wise.

 

 

Marcels answer and what he thinks about it is what this entire thread is about. I agree it doesn’t matter too much, but here we are. ? 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, GaryPinC said:

This is what he was quoted as saying:

 

"There’s a lot of things going on and the last thing I want to do is get political in any sort of way, but I think the world would be a better place if we can love God first and then love people."

 

So he immediately says that he's not really going to answer the question and simply says for him love God first and then people.  For Christians of faith this is how it's taught to be, it doesn't mean he's saying "well God is more important than people anyway".  Also, one of the biggest lessons of Christ was to love all people equally.  I think it's his way of pointing back to that.

 

As far as him deflecting, why shouldn't he?  His texts were not a good look and now a certain subset of people will find bad in whatever he says.  It's already happening on this thread, including yourself. 

At this point he needs to prove who he is through his actions and that takes time.

 

Yea. That reads to me as people are less important than God anyway. I don't care what his faith says. That is his business. When he decides to throw it into this conversation.... then it is fair for people to question him hiding behind it. 

[PromoTheRobot]

I did think Fromm's answer was a little weird, but nothing to get worked up over.

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He literally said only elite whites should be able to buy guns and there has been a whole social movement going on.  If he didn’t say that, he won’t be asked. 
 

again, read what Allen said about black lives matter.  It was a very good response.  

Yes, “you feel” it was a very good response.  
 

That’s subjective, not fact.  
 

I agree that Josh had a good response, as that’s also my opinion.  
 

I’m also fine with Fromm’s response.  Again, my opinion.  
 

 

Edited August 7, 2020 by SCBills

[NoHuddleKelly12]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If he had made statement without throwing God into the first sentence I would have zero issue. 

 

It is not everyone else's responsibility to interpret what Jake Fromm means from scripture. It really isn't. That is him imposing his belief system on me. That is why he should not have made his first comment on the situation about God. 

 

To be fair, he was first put on the spot by a reporter. And you could arguably say the same thing about any athlete who voices any thoughts/opinions as to issues outside of their professions--and I'm not saying that's a bad thing mind you, just that when he prefaced what he said with, "I think..." it immediately becomes clear that's an opinion coming. In his case yes, faith-based according to what he said. A free society must be able to engage itself with opinions of all kinds. I respect your right to have one, as much as I know that you do for anyone else posting here.        

[freddyjj]

8 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

He may as well have said  the world can be a better place if we recycle.  Both statements are true, as deep as a bumper sticker, and only tangentially related to the question.

Sounds like a beauty pageant contestant answer - maybe Jake got it from his mama..she looks like she may have been in a pageant or two!

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Yes, “you feel” it was a very good response.  
 

That’s subjective, not fact.  
 

I agree that Josh had a good response, as that’s also my opinion.  
 

I’m also fine with Fromm’s response.  Again, my opinion.  
 

 

Yeah, that’s fair.  But it comes across as using religion as crutch and he had a chance to really demonstrate that he truly grew.  

[GaryPinC]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. That reads to me as people are less important than God anyway. I don't care what his faith says. That is his business. When he decides to throw it into this conversation.... then it is fair for people to question him hiding behind it. 

Actually people are, but by a very small amount, not the wide margin you imagine.  A big part of your relationship with God is how you express it through your love of people.

 

He's also mentioned he's started to see things in a new light with all the conversations he's had and perhaps he'd like to do more listening and gathering of information instead of  opinionating.  What's wrong with that? 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Sounds like a beauty pageant contestant answer - maybe Jake got it from his mama..she looks like she may have been in a pageant or two!

 

Plastic surgeons are awesome.  

[freddyjj]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

If he had made statement without throwing God into the first sentence I would have zero issue. 

 

This is the new normal.  If I am in a crowded room I just mention the G-word and voila.... lots of personal space.

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He literally said only elite whites should be able to buy guns and there has been a whole social movement going on.  If he didn’t say that, he won’t be asked. 
 

again, read what Allen said about black lives matter.  It was a very good response.  

 

 

He did?

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I did think Fromm's answer was a little weird, but nothing to get worked up over.

This is about as civil of a thread about a subject like this as I have seen on this board.  I don’t think anyone is really that worked up about but rather just debating it.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, that’s fair.  But it comes across as using religion as crutch and he had a chance to really demonstrate that he truly grew.  

You’re presuming that his pursuit of his religion and growth are mutually exclusive. It seems to me that he’s showing how he’s grown and the result is that he plans on better practicing his religion. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

 

He did?

You really didn’t see this?

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ashleymp20/status/1268392579193876482/photo/1

[Mickey]

I am shocked that someone would express their opinion on their personal twitter page. Shocked. 

 

Unfortunately, opinion/entertainment "news" draws much better ratings than good old cut and dried journalism. I actually prefer a no-running-away-from-it-opinion being expressed by a "journalist" than the usual dodge which is the host of a show asking some expert, "is that really acceptable?" The host's opinion gets out through the use of a puppet.  That is essentially the format for about 98% of the "news". 

 

And it is our fault. Americans long ago decided that they really don't want fair reporting unless it favors their opinions. More drama=more clicks=more $

[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Marcel is saying his answer is unacceptable because he doesn’t agree with his worldview

 

This is journalism today, sports or otherwise. Sports journalists are a dime a dozen. Pretty much anyone can do it, and often times it's done better by your average team blogger than by someone who puts it on their business card.

 

When what you do for a living can be done by pretty much anyone, you need something to give you some separation. Boldly standing in judgement of those in sports who you interviewed -- owners, managers, coaches, players -- is usually the ticket. 

 

You're watching people in a dying profession grasp for anything. 

 

 

 

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

what is an “objective reporter”? I’ve never heard of this thing 

Hunter Thompson would be objective if you had drugs...

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Mickey said:

I am shocked that someone would express their opinion on their personal twitter page. Shocked. 

 

Unfortunately, opinion/entertainment "news" draws much better ratings than good old cut and dried journalism. I actually prefer a no-running-away-from-it-opinion being expressed by a "journalist" than the usual dodge which is the host of a show asking some expert, "is that really acceptable?" The host's opinion gets out through the use of a puppet.  That is essentially the format for about 98% of the "news". 

 

And it is our fault. Americans long ago decided that they really don't want fair reporting unless it favors their opinions. More drama=more clicks=more $

It’s so true.  There are some people who genuinely don’t what sports mixing with politics because they genuinely want to escape it.  An ex of mine’s dad was like that.  He hated politics and never wanted to hear about it.

 

but there are a lot of people who don’t want sports mixing with politics now because it disagrees with their politics. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

10 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

This is journalism today, sports or otherwise. Sports journalists are a dime a dozen. Pretty much anyone can do it, and often times it's done better by your average team blogger than by someone who puts it on their business card.

 

When what you do for a living can be done by pretty much anyone, you need something to give you some separation. Boldly standing in judgement of those in sports who you interviewed -- owners, managers, coaches, players -- is usually the ticket. 

 

You're watching people in a dying profession grasp for anything. 

 

 

 

 

Or by the posters on this board! This place is usually 1st stop shop for any Bills content I need to get, including deep analysis dives. 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You really didn’t see this?

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ashleymp20/status/1268392579193876482/photo/1

Yes I saw it. I also read it.

[BillsDude]

Here is what McD should tell his players:

 

No political talk. No Anthem talk. No religious talk. No money talk. No drugs talk. No covid-19 talk. No former spouses or gf talk. No swearing talk. No 'I'm the best" talk. No, "I want the football talk" . No rude or crude jokes talk. No racial talk. No gender talk. No general talk. No Sarcasm talk. No disrespect talk. No pessimism talk. And No gossip talk, to name a few..

[IDBillzFan]

14 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

What is wrong with that? What’s missing? You don’t know Jake Fromm and you don’t know what he does or doesn’t do to love people- not answering a political question isn’t a cop out, it’s wise.

 

There's nothing wrong with it...unless you don't believe in God or Jesus Christ. If you don't, you're less likely to understand what Fromm is trying to say and much more likely to accuse him of hiding behind his religion.

 

If Fromm said "I stand by what I said and I don't care!" then everyone would be clamoring about what a piece of dirt he is and he should be cut. But by admitting he he made a mistake and has learned a better way for the future,  people who don't believe in God or Christ still clamor because the better way Fromm found (his faith) is not a viable answer to those people. Fromm's just a Jesus freak. 

[mjt328]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because people keep purposely try to ignore the message.  Not one person has said other Lives don’t matter.  So people saying this are being completely disingenuous.

 

the best way to understand how dumb saying all lives matter is right now is to think of a funeral.  Someone’s family member died.  What kind of disrespectful idiot would get up in the middle of the service and start yelling “what about my grandmother who passed away??? Doesn’t her life matter?”

 

if you told me something you were struggling with and bothering you, I would listen and be empathetic.  I won’t be like I have my own problems and find reasons not to listen. 
 

as for love god, love people, a lot of people love to say that but not as many truly do that.  A lot of people love using God as a crutch.

 

People are reluctant to use the phrase BLM because of the organization and its beliefs.  Not because of the phrase in itself.

 

FBI stats show that approximately less than 300 African Americans are killed each year by police.  Only about 10 percent, meaning less than 30 of them are unarmed.  The vast majority of these killings are justified.  Cases like George Floyd are hyped-up, but clearly the exception to the rule.  Meanwhile, over 2500 African Americans are killed each year by non-police.  So if I truly cared about black lives, why in the world would I be screaming to abolish or de-fund the police?  I'm ignoring a much BIGGER problem, simply to appease outrage over a minority of cases.  

 

I'm all for looking into ways to decrease police brutality and solve this problem.  But BLM doesn't want to hear it.  They want police gone.  Period.  And any African American who speaks out against their ideas is considered an outcast.  I live in St. Louis where a black police officer was killed during the "protests", and BLM doesn't even care.  That's not even starting to consider their support for violent riots, their Marxist political beliefs, their blatant anti-white racism and their ideas that actually discourage traditional families/fatherhood.  

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, BillsDude said:

Here is what McD should tell his players:

 

No political talk. No Anthem talk. No religious talk. No money talk. No drugs talk. No covid-19 talk. No former spouses or gf talk. No swearing talk. No 'I'm the best" talk. No, "I want the football talk" . No rude or crude jokes talk. No racial talk. No gender talk. No general talk. No Sarcasm talk. No disrespect talk. No pessimism talk. And No gossip talk, to name a few..

Should they ask him to breathe as well?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Plastic surgeons are awesome.  

Augmentation specialists matter

[NoHuddleKelly12]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Should they ask him to breathe as well?

Whoever came up with that "Simon Says" kids game might have something to say about that. 

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

People are reluctant to use the phrase BLM because of the organization and its beliefs.  Not because of the phrase in itself.

 

FBI stats show that approximately less than 300 African Americans are killed each year by police.  Only about 10 percent, meaning less than 30 of them are unarmed.  The vast majority of these killings are justified.  Cases like George Floyd are hyped-up, but clearly the exception to the rule.  Meanwhile, over 2500 African Americans are killed each year by non-police.  So if I truly cared about black lives, why in the world would I be screaming to abolish or de-fund the police?  I'm ignoring a much BIGGER problem, simply to appease outrage over a minority of cases.  

 

I'm all for looking into ways to decrease police brutality and solve this problem.  But BLM doesn't want to hear it.  They want police gone.  Period.  And any African American who speaks out against their ideas is considered an outcast.  I live in St. Louis where a black police officer was killed during the "protests", and BLM doesn't even care.  That's not even starting to consider their support for violent riots, their Marxist political beliefs, their blatant anti-white racism and their ideas that actually discourage traditional families/fatherhood.  

 

 

With all due respect, this is like a foxnews version of BLM.  Instead of listening to organizations that love dividing, talk to a person of color and get their perspective.   You might understand why Floyd (far from Model citizen but didn’t deserve to die that did) got killed over $20 while Dyann Roof (murdered a bunch of black church worshippers) got taken in peacefully and gets Burger King?  And plenty of people care about David Dorn. Stop trying to hide be him. 
 

some of you love hiding behind some crazy ideas (sometimes religion) instead of genuinely trying to learn why some people are so upset about.  

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Augmentation specialists matter

Personally, I hate it.  Look at the kardashians before and after pictures.  It’s cheating.

Edited August 7, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[Sig1Hunter]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect, this is like a foxnews version of BLM.  Instead of listening to organizations that love dividing, talk to a person of color and get their perspective.   You might understand why Floyd (far from Model citizen but didn’t deserve to die that did) got killed over $20 while Dyann Roof (murdered a bunch of black church worshippers) got taken in peacefully and gets Burger King?  And plenty of people care about David Dorn. Stop trying to hide be him. 
 

some of you love hiding behind some crazy ideas (sometimes religion) instead of genuinely trying to learn why some people are so upset about.  

Personally, I hate it.  Look at the kardashians before and after pictures.  It’s cheating.

Religion is a crazy idea?

[IDBillzFan]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

People are reluctant to use the phrase BLM because of the organization and its beliefs.  Not because of the phrase in itself.

 

You're probably pissing in the wind. The fact that BLM -- in their own words -- is an admitted Marxist group that wants to do away with the nuclear family is lost on those who think the name of the organization is all that matters.

 

Let Marcellus Wiley break it down for those who aren't fully aware.

 

 

[mjt328]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect, this is like a foxnews version of BLM.  Instead of listening to organizations that love dividing, talk to a person of color and get their perspective.   You might understand why Floyd (far from Model citizen but didn’t deserve to die that did) got killed over $20 while Dyann Roof (murdered a bunch of black church worshippers) got taken in peacefully and gets Burger King? 
 

some of you love hiding behind some crazy ideas (sometimes religion) instead of genuinely trying to learn why some people are so upset about.  

 

Quit putting all "people of color" in a box.  Not every African American believes in these ideas.  Not even close.

Would you like to know what the black cop at my church thinks of BLM?  My last response was pretty tame considered to what he would say.

 

I don't need any news station to tell me what BLM believes.  It's on their website.  

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

 

This was exactly my original point, and why civil discourse has literally become impossible.

If you believe taking the police out of minority communities is going to save black lives, I think your absolutely and positively nuts.  It goes against common sense, and every imaginable crime statistic the FBI can assemble. 

 

 

[Chandler#81]

*****! We need Football way more than I thought we did!

3 hours ago, Muppy said:

all this response from MLJ says to me is he isn't a Christian. If he were he would realize that as has been mentioned what Fromm stated was scriptural.

 

quoted from the NIV .

 

 

3 hours ago, MJS said:

In his view loving God leads to loving all people. You don't have to accept that philosophy, but that's what he's trying to say.

 

Nothing he said was going to be accepted by all. When you talk about politics AND religion you are estranging half the population automatically.

 

And apparently if you say you don't want to talk about those things you are also offending people. So really it's a lose lose situation for the kid.

 

3 hours ago, nucci said:

what if you don't believe in Jesus?

 

I don't. None of it. That insane crap is the true root of ALL evil. The most sublime part being one doesn’t even have to believe. Just say you do and half the people forgive anything you say or do. Ridiculous. Sky fairies... ?‍♂️ YEEEESH!

 

When does the season start?

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

I think loving your fellow man and serving god is totally fine. I’m not religious but I’m generally all for people finding ways to live with love in their hearts.
 

I think In response to that question, and compounded further by the context of his situation and his previous comments, it’s a rather lackluster answer both if he was truly answering or if he was dodging the question.

Fromm's answer was a political litmus test. The usual suspects all see it as one way or another.

 

The major problem is MLJ injecting his own opinion in his report.  If Tim Graham pulled this crap, everyone would lose it on him.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Religion is a crazy idea?

For some people. I’m a catholic, went to catholic school, had religion as a class every year.  I believe in GoD and have my own relationship that I don’t need to prove to anyone else.  But there are certainly some crazy notions in there. 
 

islam is a very peaceful religion but some idiots become terrorists.  There was the crusades.  There are KKK and Nazis who say they are Christians.