14 Positives on Marlins

[LabattBlue]

3 hours ago, Process said:

A complete ****-show. 

 

NBA and NHL will be fun, they are doing it right 

Let’s see how the NBA and NHL fare when they go to start the 20-21 season in the fall.  There will be no bubble as the players would never agree to it for 6+ months. 

Edited July 27, 2020 by LabattBlue

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Well, the science is pretty clear that COVID-19 isn't particularly dangerous for children. Fun fact: the CDC has only recorded 12 pediatric deaths due to COVID-19. For reference, the flu took 174 children this year, and the year before it took 400 children.  We good now? 

 

 

Wow

 

I'd be very surprised if that's not an outdated number from maybe June 1st or so.  Just this week, there were two stories of a child dieing, one in Florida, and think the other one was in Georgia.  Early on heard of others too.  Actually I just found one report as of July 14th that listed 30 died under the age of 15

[LB3]

5 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

You revealed yourself as not being a serious person to respond to a while back.  Hence the "wow." 

I see you've never encountered Bull before.

 

"... the constitution or whatever."? Classic

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, SmokinES3 said:

We made it one series... Certain political factions will have this shutdown ASAP. Fun while it lasted...

 

Doctors and health professionals?

[cd1]

25 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

There are very few viruses that offer infinite immunity. People who think of post virus immunity in terms of forever are simply misinformed. 

 

Not to mention long term effects and recurring conditions.

 

If you ever had a case of Shingles, you know this all too well.

 

Quote

Shingles is caused by the varicella-zoster virus — the same virus that causes chickenpox. Anyone who's had chickenpox may develop shingles. ... Varicella-zoster is part of a group of viruses called herpes viruses, which includes the viruses that cause cold sores and genital herpes.May 16, 2018

 

I had a case of Shingles that last most of three months!  Terrible and very, very painful.

Edited July 27, 2020 by cd1

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

8 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

The science is pretty clear how dangerous COVID-19 is to people above 65 years of age and those with underlying conditions regardless of age. There are dozens of teachers, staff, bus drivers, etc. that fall into this category. Their health is required for students to learn appropriately.

 

Also, any fact that talks about pediatric deaths is not fun. I think we should all be able to agree on that.

 

It sucks. This whole thing sucks.  

 

To your point, you are right.  That said, if you removed the number of adults above the age of 65 (retirement age), you aren't losing that many people (I don't use the term teachers, because I understand its more than just teachers).  Same, more or less, for people with underlying conditions. 

5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I'd be very surprised if that's not an outdated number from maybe June 1st or so.  Just this week, there were two stories of a child dieing, one in Florida, and think the other one was in Georgia.  Early on heard of others too.  Actually I just found one report as of July 14th that listed 30 died under the age of 15

 

You are right, but it doesn't really change the conclusion. But its important to have accurate information. Thanks. 

Edited July 27, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands

[teef]

23 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

‘No reason not to in NY’

you don't feel the finger lakes region in ny should reopen schools?

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, cd1 said:

 

If you ever had a case of Shingles, you know this all too well.

 

 

I had a case of Shingles that last most of three months!  Terrible and very, very painful.

Didn’t you get the memo?  Diseases don’t count if you survive.

[BullBuchanan]

10 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

That is true. And I dont mean for my comment to suggest that there are not risks associated with opening schools. Its just important that all the facts are right.  The fact that children are not at risk for this disease is an important fact of which people need to be aware, but which they are not. 

 

To be frank, there will be risk up until the point we have a vaccine.  Waiting that long is not a realistic option. It just isn't. I think we can all agree on that, right? Maybe I presume too much. 

Presuming we'll ever even have a vaccine seems very optimistic given there are only around 20 viral vaccines. I think we need to put out the fire first, and then worry about moving back into the house. When our case count starts to look more like Europe, it'll be more appropriate to make those things a priority.

Edited July 27, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[WEATHER DOT COM]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

It sucks. This hole thing sucks.  

 

To your point, you are right.  That said, if you removed the number of adults above the age of 65 (retirement age), you aren't losing that many people (I don't use the term teachers, because I understand its more than just teachers).  Same, more or less, for people with underlying conditions. 

 

Obesity is an underlying condition that increases the risk of Covid-19. 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/childhood.html

 

The prevalence of obesity was 18.5% and affected about 13.7 million children and adolescents

 

13.7 million

 

That's just the kids. That doesn't include any other underlying conditions that increase the risk of Covid such as sickle cell and type 2 diabetes or any underlying conditions that may increase the risk of Covid, like asthma or type 1 diabetes.  

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

you don't feel the finger lakes region in ny should reopen schools?

I don't think Hawaii County, Hawaii should reopen schools

 

and we've probably done the best job in the country of preventing spread of COVID

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Obesity is an underlying condition that increases the risk of Covid-19. 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/childhood.html

 

The prevalence of obesity was 18.5% and affected about 13.7 million children and adolescents

 

13.7 million

 

That's just the kids. That doesn't include any other underlying conditions that increase the risk of Covid such as sickle cell and type 2 diabetes or any underlying conditions that may increase the risk of Covid, like asthma or type 1 diabetes.  

 

Yes, but despite that, children die at a minimal rate due to COVID-19. This doesn't make the point you think it does. 

[TheFunPolice]

Tasker and Brown on WGR just brought up a good point....

 

MLB has games 5-6 nights a week with tons of travel and lots of contact with numerous teams per week.

 

NFL is one game and one trip per week. Much less mixing between different teams.

 

That could help the NFL. 

Edited July 27, 2020 by TheFunPolice

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

Tasker and Brown on WGR just brought up a good point....

 

MLB has games 5-6 nights a week with tons of travel and lots of contact with numerous teams per week.

 

NFL is one game and one trip per week. Much less mixing between different teams.

A lot more players and staff though.  If one person gets it, it could easily spread really fast through a lockerroom/ team.  
 

 

[TheFunPolice]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

A lot more players and staff though.  If one person gets it, it could easily spread really fast through a lockerroom/ team.  
 

 

It's going to be tough...

 

There will definitely be positive tests.

 

Anything that opens up in terms of schools and sports will have cases popping up everywhere

[apuszczalowski]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

A lot more players and staff though.  If one person gets it, it could easily spread really fast through a lockerroom/ team.  
 

 

Plus the sport has alot more physical contact between the players. Baseball has much less contact between players. Plus baseball players can sanitize between pitches and keep some on them while on the field....

[Bill Lewes]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Where did you see that????????????????

Link? What professionals did you 'see'????

The CDC and multiple professionals on TV.   Here's a link from the CDC that suggests what might help schools meet the safety needs of bringing the process back to pre-COVID norms:  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/reopening-schools-faqs.html  It's important to note that the CDC docs that suggest school is safe for kids, discuss that in a vacuum (and as compared to the old normal) and carefully weed out mentions of all the adults involved in the process.  Additionally, their safety recommendations listed in the linked doc are also vacuous (pun intended!).  There're are recommendations for how drivers can create social distancing on the school bus.  Without paying for and creating a multitude of additional buses for every school district in the country, this by itself is absurd.  In my kids school district, the CDC's own numbers suggest a dozen kids would die.  Of course that's not counting the dozens impacted in lesser ways or the viral impact on the community.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

It's going to be tough...

 

There will definitely be positive tests.

 

Anything that opens up in terms of schools and sports will have cases popping up everywhere

I know. It sucks.  I’m trying to stay positive.  But the NFL is a really dumb league.  The players were just saying last week that they don’t believe in their plan. 

Just now, apuszczalowski said:

Plus the sport has alot more physical contact between the players. Baseball has much less contact between players. Plus baseball players can sanitize between pitches and keep some on them while on the field....

The Cubs first basemen was passing out hand sanitizer haha

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I know. It sucks.  I’m trying to stay positive.  But the NFL is a really dumb league.  The players were just saying last week that they don’t believe in their plan. 

The Cubs first basemen was passing out hand sanitizer haha

 

JA will do the same after every sack. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

A lot more players and staff though.  If one person gets it, it could easily spread really fast through a lockerroom/ team.  
 

 

I mean, it is what it is, Marlins are decimated in a pretty bad way right now.   It’s all proportionate.  
 

However, with MLB, not only are they decimated but we now have 4 teams affected by postponed games and the Phillies potentially exposed.  

[apuszczalowski]

7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

It's going to be tough...

 

There will definitely be positive tests.

 

Anything that opens up in terms of schools and sports will have cases popping up everywhere

I don't think anyone can expect there to be no positive tests, the key is trying to control large outbreaks which was the goal of all the closures and social distancing, etc. The hope is to get the spread down so that it doesn't overload the health system and any spread is a slow spread. It always expected to see spikes as things open and we get back to normal. 

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I know. It sucks.  I’m trying to stay positive.  But the NFL is a really dumb league.  The players were just saying last week that they don’t believe in their plan. 

The Cubs first basemen was passing out hand sanitizer haha

I know, that's what I was referring to, lol

 

After big wins are we now going to see the coaches/players having jugs of sanitizer dumped on them instead of Gatorade?

Edited July 27, 2020 by apuszczalowski

[teef]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't think Hawaii County, Hawaii should reopen schools

 

and we've probably done the best job in the country of preventing spread of COVID

How old are your kids?

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

You might as well wear a flashing sign that says you don't understand science.  Letting it "run its course" sounds like something my grandpa would've said in the 1950's. There's absolutely zero benefit to that. Viruses don't die out when they get bored of infecting people, but when they can't continue to spread.

First of all, it appears as though there is not immunity from this virus after contracting it. Second, in order to "let it run its course" you're talking about million dead in the US alone and millions more with permanent organ damage, strokes, etc. Stop the spread, kill the virus. No amount of "toughen up" fixes that.

 

 

K.  Cool.  See you in 15 years.  

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

I don't think anyone can expect there to be no positive tests, the key is trying to control large outbreaks which was the goal of all the closures and social distancing, etc. The hope is to get the spread down so that it doesn't overload the health system and any spread is a slow spread. It always expected to see spikes as things open and we get back to normal. 

I know, that's what I was referring to, lol

 

After big wins are we now going to see the coaches/players having jugs of sanitizer dumped on them instead of Gatorade?

One of my favorite SB bets is guessing they color of Gatorade they dump on the winning coach.  Not many options with hand sanitizer!

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

 

K.  Cool.  See you in 15 years.  

If that's how long it takes the virus hoaxers. Took South Korea, Germany, France, etc considerably less time, but America loves nothing if not overindulgence.

[Big Blitz]

I understand enough of the science to know 330 million people will NOT get infected if it "runs its course."  This ridiculous math based on everyone getting it was flawed from the beginning.  

 

 

But that is clearly over a lot people's pay grade and Bio 101 level of understanding

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

How old are your kids?

My wife is due in a couple months.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

I understand enough of the science to know 330 million people will NOT get infected if it "runs its course."  This ridiculous math based on everyone getting it was flawed from the beginning.  

 

 

But that is clearly over a lot people's pay grade and Bio 101 level of understanding

 

 

 

How many will?

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

If that's how long it takes the virus hoaxers. Took South Korea, Germany, France, etc considerably less time, but America loves nothing if not overindulgence.

 

 

Nope.  

 

See Spain

  

Japan.

 

China.

 

Hong Kong. 

 

Israel.  

 

It is never going away.  Genie is out of the bottle.  

 

Has to run its course.  Take care.  Protect yourself as best you can if you're vulnerable.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

How old are your kids?

 

Old enough to know The Irishman was a fantastic movie.

[Big Blitz]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

How many will?

 

 

20%

 

Google it.  Google the science of 20% herd immunity and Professor Michael Levitt 

[BringBackFergy]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

How many will?

How many will what? Die? or test positive?

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

20%

 

Google it.  Google the science of 20% herd immunity and Professor Michael Levitt 

I don't need to google your confirmation bias. You clearly have no idea what herd immunity is.

[Seasons1992]

1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Not trying to be an a**, but what would starting in October instead of September do? If anything, I would think a start around March would be best. Let the first round of vaccines make their rounds. Assuming all goes well with them. 

 

I'm ok with this. 

[BullBuchanan]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

20%

 

Google it.  Google the science of 20% herd immunity and Professor Michael Levitt 

This surely aged poorly
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate

[Big Blitz]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I don't need to google your confirmation bias. You clearly have no idea what herd immunity is.

 

 

T-Cells 

Antibodies 

 

Complex science-y stuff

 

 

This has led to speculation about whether a population can achieve some sort of immunity to the virus with as little as 20% infected – a proportion well below the widely accepted herd immunity threshold (60-70%).

 

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-could-it-be-burning-out-after-20-of-a-population-is-infected-141584

8 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

I'm ok with this. 

 

 

 

Well, if you believe the models that have come out of MIT early on you can wait till March ........of 2022.  

[Seasons1992]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Well, if you believe the models that have come out of MIT early on you can wait till March ........of 2022.  

 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

T-Cells 

Antibodies 

 

Complex science-y stuff

 

 

This has led to speculation about whether a population can achieve some sort of immunity to the virus with as little as 20% infected – a proportion well below the widely accepted herd immunity threshold (60-70%).

 

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-could-it-be-burning-out-after-20-of-a-population-is-infected-141584

 

 

 

Well, if you believe the models that have come out of MIT early on you can wait till March ........of 2022.  

Might as well include the whole quote:

"The Swedish public health authority announced in late April that the capital city, Stockholm, was “showing signs of herd immunity” – estimating that about half its population had been infected. The authority had to backtrack two weeks later, however, when the results of their own antibody study revealed just 7.3% had been infected. But the number of deaths and infections in Stockholm is falling rather than increasing – despite the fact that Sweden hasn’t enforced a lockdown."

This isn't science - it's claiming you knew something would happen all along and giving it an explanation after the fact. There are so many variables in the equation that to credit herd immunity without a detailed explanation is scientifically irresponsible.

[Big Blitz]

T-cells.

 

Until you start hearing definitively that people from March are infected again, that's all the evidence you need that thing you call the immune system is working.  

 

Needs to run its course.  

 

 

Reports of reinfection instead may be cases of drawn-out illness. A decline in antibodies is normal after a few weeks, and people are protected from the coronavirus in other ways.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/health/covid-antibodies-herd-immunity.html

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Might as well include the whole quote:

"The Swedish public health authority announced in late April that the capital city, Stockholm, was “showing signs of herd immunity” – estimating that about half its population had been infected. The authority had to backtrack two weeks later, however, when the results of their own antibody study revealed just 7.3% had been infected. But the number of deaths and infections in Stockholm is falling rather than increasing – despite the fact that Sweden hasn’t enforced a lockdown."

This isn't science - it's claiming you knew something would happen all along and giving it an explanation after the fact. There are so many variables in the equation that to credit herd immunity without a detailed explanation is scientifically irresponsible.

 

 

 

Yep I 100% agree science is never really settled. 

 

10000%.

[Billl]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

20%

 

Google it.  Google the science of 20% herd immunity and Professor Michael Levitt 

You may as well have linked Trump’s interview saying it would suddenly magically disappear.  Hell, even the comments section of the article is littered with people talking about how it would go away when the weather heated up.

 

You might also want to note that Levitt is a biophysicist, not an epidemiologist.  Smart guy with some interesting insights, but not an expert.