2020 NFL top 100 - Josh Allen comes in at #87, Diggs #54, Tre White # 47

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Sick burn bro 

He was 208 last year.  But you can’t put down Jackson and prop up Allen at this point.  It’s kinda insane.  
 

but I do agree with you that this has to be good for Allen’s confidence even if it means very little in reality. 

 

I'm definitely not putting down Jackson; I have always felt Jackson and Allen would be the best of the bunch and were the two who were judged the harshest coming in.  I don't understand why you always have to take the narrative to a Jackson vs Allen.  

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

30 TDs, 10 wins, most game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks, one of top passers under 20 yards, etc.  

 

While:  Being his 2nd season, working with a messy WR group, most drops in NFL, 9 new starters on offense, running one of most complicated offenses in NFL, multiple rookie starters around him, a trio of WRs averaging 5’10”, and pass protection that often broke down.

 

I don’t think he’s over rated...his biggest Achilles heal was the deep ball, and that vastly improved down the stretch and now has a whole off season commutes to improving it.

 

Calling it out now:  Josh Allen will finish the 2020 season as a top 10 QB.  

Honest question: if we had Andy Dalton (I’d out as the cutoff as an average NFL starter), what do you think our record would have been last year?

 

and I hope you are right about the top 10 qb but I think you might be a tad optimistic.  But I will be pleasantly shocked and happy.  

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

30 TDs, 10 wins, most game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks, one of top passers under 20 yards, etc.  

 

While:  Being his 2nd season, working with a messy WR group, most drops in NFL, 9 new starters on offense, running one of most complicated offenses in NFL, multiple rookie starters around him, a trio of WRs averaging 5’10”, and pass protection that often broke down.

 

I don’t think he’s over rated...his biggest Achilles heal was the deep ball, and that vastly improved down the stretch and now has a whole off season commutes to improving it.

 

Calling it out now:  Josh Allen will finish the 2020 season as a top 10 QB.  

 

And C.Biscuit's point is the board has at times treated him like he already is while trashing guys who have already been top 10 QBs. 

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

I'm definitely not putting down Jackson; I have always felt Jackson and Allen would be the best of the bunch and were the two who were judged the harshest coming in.  I don't understand why you always have to take the narrative to a Jackson vs Allen.  

Then it wasn’t direct at you.  It was more of a narrative of a lot of these posters on these boards.
 

what I think is Bills fans will look for flaws in other QBs (which I understand), while ignoring their own QBs’ flaws. 
 

and for the record, I had Jackson and Allen tied as prospects when they came out.

Edited July 27, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[No_Matter_What]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

running one of most complicated offenses in NFL

 

What are you basing this assesment on? Honest question. I am not implying otherwise, I am just a random Bills fan from Europe completely unable to recognize which offense is how complicated (I am actually contemplating starting a thread with my silly questions about things in football I still don't understand).

 

Is this some kind of universal view or your opinion? I remember discussion with another local fan of 49ers who insisted that Shanahan is running really complicated offense which Jimmy G. is able to master but Josh has no chance to execute and he also claimed that Bills run simple offense tailored to Allen.

[BuffaLoko]

25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It goes both ways.  He is definitely overrated on this board for what he actually has produced.  
 

think about it.  How would feel if a sub 200 Passing yard/ game qb made it if he wasn’t on the Bills?  Hell, half the people trash Lamar Jackson after he won a MVP.

Not everything is yards, although that is mostly how production is measured for the QB Job, however if you remove your blinders (I know, I know, just the opposite type than the ones I am wearing ?) and care enough to see the summary they played ab´ him in the top 100, you´ll find out that gem of the dropped ball, picked up ball and jump over ten players in order to get the first down, in the TG Game at DallASS... that counts only as half a yard, however that play it was THE WHOLE GAME for many, at least for me... c´mon man! just give some credit (and keep your love, for yourself) to a guy you´ll see in the good boys side for at least a decade f everything goes as planned... 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Then it wasn’t direct at you.  It was more of a narrative of a lot of these posters on these boards.
 

what I think is Bills fans will look for flaws in other QBs (which I understand), while ignoring their own QBs’ flaws. 

 

From what I have noticed, the majority of the Allen-homers (myself included if you will) do acknowledge his flaws and where he needs to improve particularly deep ball precision and decision making.  They are just more overt in the positive aspects in his game because yes he is the Buffalo QB, and there is a sense of pride in defending what is yours which is part of the DNA of being a fan of your team.  

[KingBoots8]

We got one of the best QBs in that draft, and nobody saw it coming. On that note, I don’t think anyone could have predicted Lamar blossoming so fast, especially when they had what seemed like an established QB in front of him. The ravens have done everything they need to do in order for him to flourish in their system. He’s the best of the class until he isn’t, but Josh is right behind him.

 

Josh wasn’t supposed to start when he did, and was thrust into a pretty rough situation for his rookie year. He did what he could, and took the lessons he learned for the most part into making strides in 2019. Nobody expected Josh to do what he did, and we are now finally doing what the Ravens did right out the gate to get Josh everything he needs to succeed. I don’t mind if it takes him a little longer to develop given how poorly equipped he was for year 1.

 

i expect him to make strides this season as well. We got him better running backs, better wide receivers, and kept the line in tact to grow and protect him. We have a GM and coach who seem to get what it means to build a team and put us in a position to win. We went from being the joke of the AFCE to wild card team in one year, and now we may take the division if things keep following the current trajectory. He has the respect of the locker room, and he’s being respected in other locker rooms too now. 
 

I think we finally found our QB guys. Hard to believe, but he might be the one.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

From what I have noticed, the majority of the Allen-homers (myself included if you will) do acknowledge his flaws and where he needs to improve particularly deep ball precision and decision making.  They are just more overt in the positive aspects in his game because yes he is the Buffalo QB, and there is a sense of pride in defending what is yours which is part of the DNA of being a fan of your team.  

And trust me, I get it.  I used to do the same thing with EJ, JP, and Trent.  I’ve tried taking a more realistic view of the situation after that.  It’s just weird that people become so angry when you dare go against Allen.  
 

what I’ve always said is that I worry he has never really consistently taken over a game.  He’s had flashes but even all the way back to college, he’s never been flat out dominant and think pretty much every good qb has those games.  I think a lot of the Allen hope is being a fan and projection.  
 

but this is a good thing.  And I definitely probably serves a confidence boost.  And one thing I will never question is Allen work ethic and heart.  I hope he become a passer that some of you think he can.  I’m dubious. 

8 minutes ago, BuffaLoko said:

Not everything is yards, although that is mostly how production is measured for the QB Job, however if you remove your blinders (I know, I know, just the opposite type than the ones I am wearing ?) and care enough to see the summary they played ab´ him in the top 100, you´ll find out that gem of the dropped ball, picked up ball and jump over ten players in order to get the first down, in the TG Game at DallASS... that counts only as half a yard, however that play it was THE WHOLE GAME for many, at least for me... c´mon man! just give some credit (and keep your love, for yourself) to a guy you´ll see in the good boys side for at least a decade f everything goes as planned... 

fair enough 

[Stank_Nasty]

oh look. Biscuit97 comes into an Allen thread that has something positive to it and tells us all how overrated said topic is. SHOCKING..... in other news, the sky is blue and water is wet!

 

 

 

 

i'm left here wondering how a QB that was destined to fail because of his lack of small school dominance could ever be voted to such a list by his professional peers. maybe biscuit could explain that to us all.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And trust me, I get it.  I used to do the same thing with EJ, JP, and Trent.  I’ve tried taking a more realistic view of the situation after that.  It’s just weird that people become so angry when you dare go against Allen.  
 

what I’ve always said is that I worry he has never really consistently taken over a game.  He’s had flashes but even all the way back to college, he’s never been flat out dominant and think pretty much every good qb has those games.  I think a lot of the Allen hope is being a fan and projection.  
 

but this is a good thing.  And I definitely probably serves a confidence boost.  And one thing I will never question is Allen work ethic and heart.  I hope he become a passer that some of you think he can.  I’m dubious. 

fair enough 

 

I think the Dallas game, he was pretty close to dominant.. but then we jumped out to a huge lead and with our defense and coaching philosophy, basically ran the clock out.

 

First half Texans he showed dominance before the team fell apart, ultimately culminating with him doing the same.  

 

I'd agree that there's another step he needs to take, and being a dominating force for a full game is part of that, but he does seem to have it in him - he just needs to unlock it.  Let's hope Year 3 is where he finds that key.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by SCBills

[thebandit27]

A bit too low, but right range.

 

IMO he should be higher for the simple fact that no other player came even close to scoring as high a percentage of his teams TDs while contributing such a significant percentage of their offensive yardage and first downs.

 

The entire Bills’ roster sans Allen scored 6 TDs all year...and only one of those (the trick play TD on thanksgiving) came in the final 8 regular season games.

 

A lot of people lose sight of just how exclusively he’s carried that offense for 2 years.

Edited July 27, 2020 by thebandit27

[Protocal69]

This guy has watched all of the tape and speaks the truth

[C.Biscuit97]

52 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I think the Dallas game, he was pretty close to dominant.. but then we jumped out to a huge lead and with our defense and coaching philosophy, basically ran the clock out.

 

First half Texans he showed dominance before the team fell apart, ultimately culminating with him doing the same.  

 

I'd agree that there's another step he needs to take, and being a dominating force for a full game is part of that, but he does seem to have it in him - he just needs to unlock it.  Let's hope Year 3 is where he finds that key.

 

 

Dominant is a strong word for the Dallas game (lots of qbs have that type again) but I do agree it was his best all around game from start to finish.  
 

and I think the Houston game sums up Allen so far.  I was never more impressed with him than in the first half.  I was looking into KC trips.  But then the second half happened.  And that’s the pause on him.  
 

I love his attitude but realistically, he’s been an inconsistent qb on every level.  I struggle to see how that improves at the highest level.  And I also believe he can be a much better qb with less fourth quarter comebacks this year (its so overrated in this board) but being consistent through 3 quarters. 

[ProcessAccepted]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Sick burn bro 

He was 208 last year.  But you can’t put down Jackson and prop up Allen at this point.  It’s kinda insane.  
 

but I do agree with you that this has to be good for Allen’s confidence even if it means very little in reality. 

I never put down Jackson. The guy won games.

[MJS]

Someone on Twitter claimed the Bills have 3 on the list. How do they know?

[GoBills808]

23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dominant is a strong word for the Dallas game (lots of qbs have that type again) but I do agree it was his best all around game from start to finish.  
 

and I think the Houston game sums up Allen so far.  I was never more impressed with him than in the first half.  I was looking into KC trips.  But then the second half happened.  And that’s the pause on him.  
 

I love his attitude but realistically, he’s been an inconsistent qb on every level.  I struggle to see how that improves at the highest level.  And I also believe he can be a much better qb with less fourth quarter comebacks this year (its so overrated in this board) but being consistent through 3 quarters. 

Don't struggle too hard, he already did from 2018 to 2019

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

Someone on Twitter claimed the Bills have 3 on the list. How do they know?

It was Tim Graham. He said the NFLN sent out that info in a teaser email 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Don't struggle too hard, he already did from 2018 to 2019

He did but it’s still below average for a nfl qb (passing wise). 
 

 

[YoloinOhio]

Tre is so humble 

Edited July 27, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[KingBoots8]

32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Tre is so humble 

I love his attitude. I can’t wait for him to do it again and get paid. He has absolutely earned it

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

What are you basing this assesment on? Honest question. I am not implying otherwise, I am just a random Bills fan from Europe completely unable to recognize which offense is how complicated (I am actually contemplating starting a thread with my silly questions about things in football I still don't understand).

 

Is this some kind of universal view or your opinion? I remember discussion with another local fan of 49ers who insisted that Shanahan is running really complicated offense which Jimmy G. is able to master but Josh has no chance to execute and he also claimed that Bills run simple offense tailored to Allen.

 

So there is a lot of ways an offense can be "complicated" the idea of the E-P is actually to simplify the reads for the Quarterback but it requires a high degree of intelligence from the skill position players and their ability to adapt their routes to the defense that is being shown. It is fair to say that Josh hasn't benefitted from fantastic receivers in his time with the Bills so the complexity of the offense hasn't necessarily helped him. It does also prioritise quick reads from a Quarterback and Josh struggled with that a fair bit in 2018. In 2019 generally his best games came when he was reading quickly and getting the ball out of his hands. Not all of his holding the ball too long is on him, but a fair amount of it is. When it comes out quick the whole system works better and Josh definitely progressed (with a little blip mid-season after the first Pats game when he got a bit too "safe" for 3 or 4 weeks) in that regard in 2019.

 

Shanahan's offense is complicated for a different reason. It is a precision timing passing scheme. At its heart it is the west coast offense. Yes it works with a lot of bells and whistles and off the stretch zone run concepts that his dad added onto Walsh's creation when the OC in San Fran... but fundamentally the base passing game is the WCO. That really prioritises precise Quarterback footwork, timing and playing "on script." It was why I was one of the lone voices on this forum saying "this won't work" when we brought Rick Dennison here to run the same scheme with Tyrod Taylor. When what seemed at the time like everyone else was focusing on the packages they ran in Houston with Schaub under Kubiak where they moved the pocket and saying "Tyrod's mobility will be perfect" I was saying "he can't run the base plays." And it turned out, he couldn't. So much so that Rico wanted supposedly supported, maybe even initiated, the decision to go to Peterman. I don't think shoehorning Josh into a classic WCO would be a good idea either. That said Green Bay manager to make it work with a young Brett Favre under Mike Holmgren and there is some of that in Josh.... you just need a coach who is willing to overlook the going off script too often. Jimmy G is a perfect fit for a classic WCO. His footwork is excellent, he generally throws on time.... but he doesn't make many wow plays. He is also pretty smart. He does more at the line at this point than Josh. But that will hopefully come with experience.

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

there you have it: Diggs and Tre

 

I'll guess 63 for Diggs and 42 for Tre

Edited July 27, 2020 by thebandit27

[YoloinOhio]

 

Will he unravel against you though Colin like Baker Mayfield did? No, he won’t care. Allen said last year that he approaches this type of criticism with “Dont get bitter. Get better.”

[CNY315]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Will he unravel against you though Colin like Baker Mayfield did? No, he won’t care. Allen said last year that he approaches this type of criticism with “Dont get bitter. Get better.”

I think it's fair to question him being on the list but to use him struggling against Beli as your main argument is silly. Who doesn't? Especially last year

Edited July 27, 2020 by CNY315

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Will he unravel against you though Colin like Baker Mayfield did? No, he won’t care. Allen said last year that he approaches this type of criticism with “Dont get bitter. Get better.”

I know that coming within two consecutive jailbreak blitzes of tying the game, on the road, for the division, against the greatest coach of all time coaching the league’s No. 1 defense is what I’d call “unraveling” ?

 

 

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Will he unravel against you though Colin like Baker Mayfield did? No, he won’t care. Allen said last year that he approaches this type of criticism with “Dont get bitter. Get better.”

All I hear when Cowherd talked is Michael Scott

[GunnerBill]

Cowherd has generally been pretty positive about Allen and he loves McDermott. But he needs some controversy to shout over. It is quiet season. 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Cowherd has generally been pretty positive about Allen and he loves McDermott. But he needs some controversy to shout over. It is quiet season. 

So he's applying the PFF school of thought.

[Stank_Nasty]

45 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Will he unravel against you though Colin like Baker Mayfield did? No, he won’t care. Allen said last year that he approaches this type of criticism with “Dont get bitter. Get better.”

so because allen isnt nearly as good as 2 of the top 5 players in the whole NFL(mahomes and wilson), he shouldnt be in the top 100. solid logic here.... and comparing offensive linemans one on one matchups to a qb dealing with a whole defense isnt the greatest argument. especially because he mentioned tunsil. Didnt hughes line up over him for his 3 sacks in the wildcard game?

 

this is nothing to get legitimately worked up over, but its sorta silly reasoning. Gotta agree with @GunnerBill. He just needs something to rant about during a quiet stretch.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

so because allen isnt nearly as good as 2 of the top 5 players in the whole NFL(mahomes and wilson), he shouldnt be in the top 100. solid logic here.... and comparing offensive linemans one on one matchups to a qb dealing with a whole defense isnt the greatest argument. especially because he mentioned tunsil. Didnt hughes line up over him for his 3 sacks in the wildcard game?

 

this is nothing to get legitimately worked up over, but its sorta silly reasoning. Gotta agree with @GunnerBill. He just needs something to rant about during a quiet stretch.

 

I like Colin. He is the best of the shock jocks when it comes to the NFL. He actually hits on some stuff in the course of his hot takes and he doesn't die on his hills when the evidence changes. 

[Billl]

Wonder how many QBs will be on the list.  Got to think 20 or so.

[thebandit27]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He was atrocious up until the throw to Knox before halftime. 

And?

 

[Billl]

17 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He was atrocious up until the throw to Knox before halftime. 

If he’d have hit Knox in the endzone on the last drive, that would have been the best drive of his career.  That game is a perfect microcosm of him being a better football player than a QB.

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honest question: if we had Andy Dalton (I’d out as the cutoff as an average NFL starter), what do you think our record would have been last year?

 

and I hope you are right about the top 10 qb but I think you might be a tad optimistic.  But I will be pleasantly shocked and happy.  

Dalton is solid, and I don’t know what we look like with him last year.  Allen’s mobility led to a lot of production.  Dalton I think would have struggled behind our pass pro last year personally.  
 

Im definitely optimistic on Allen, I mean I truly believe he’s gonna be a consensus top 10 QB by years end.  He has made significant improvements since his last pass at Wyoming and in short time periods.  If he comes in with a good deep ball, then game over, he’s gonna be a beast.

5 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

What are you basing this assesment on? Honest question. I am not implying otherwise, I am just a random Bills fan from Europe completely unable to recognize which offense is how complicated (I am actually contemplating starting a thread with my silly questions about things in football I still don't understand).

 

Is this some kind of universal view or your opinion? I remember discussion with another local fan of 49ers who insisted that Shanahan is running really complicated offense which Jimmy G. is able to master but Josh has no chance to execute and he also claimed that Bills run simple offense tailored to Allen.

All good, good question.  Many players have said that Daboll’s offense is the most complicated they have ever seen.  Even our coaches have acknowledged how complicated it is and they have been implementing more and more as Josh and the other guys get up to speed.  I don’t know if there is a way to say whose is the most complicated, but it’s definitely been confirmed to be one of the most complicated in the NFL.

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So there is a lot of ways an offense can be "complicated" the idea of the E-P is actually to simplify the reads for the Quarterback but it requires a high degree of intelligence from the skill position players and their ability to adapt their routes to the defense that is being shown. It is fair to say that Josh hasn't benefitted from fantastic receivers in his time with the Bills so the complexity of the offense hasn't necessarily helped him. It does also prioritise quick reads from a Quarterback and Josh struggled with that a fair bit in 2018. In 2019 generally his best games came when he was reading quickly and getting the ball out of his hands. Not all of his holding the ball too long is on him, but a fair amount of it is. When it comes out quick the whole system works better and Josh definitely progressed (with a little blip mid-season after the first Pats game when he got a bit too "safe" for 3 or 4 weeks) in that regard in 2019.

 

Shanahan's offense is complicated for a different reason. It is a precision timing passing scheme. At its heart it is the west coast offense. Yes it works with a lot of bells and whistles and off the stretch zone run concepts that his dad added onto Walsh's creation when the OC in San Fran... but fundamentally the base passing game is the WCO. That really prioritises precise Quarterback footwork, timing and playing "on script." It was why I was one of the lone voices on this forum saying "this won't work" when we brought Rick Dennison here to run the same scheme with Tyrod Taylor. When what seemed at the time like everyone else was focusing on the packages they ran in Houston with Schaub under Kubiak where they moved the pocket and saying "Tyrod's mobility will be perfect" I was saying "he can't run the base plays." And it turned out, he couldn't. So much so that Rico wanted supposedly supported, maybe even initiated, the decision to go to Peterman. I don't think shoehorning Josh into a classic WCO would be a good idea either. That said Green Bay manager to make it work with a young Brett Favre under Mike Holmgren and there is some of that in Josh.... you just need a coach who is willing to overlook the going off script too often. Jimmy G is a perfect fit for a classic WCO. His footwork is excellent, he generally throws on time.... but he doesn't make many wow plays. He is also pretty smart. He does more at the line at this point than Josh. But that will hopefully come with experience.

 

The EP is just a verbage system

 

Like the West coast or coryell systems... It's all how the play is called in the huddle

 

Basically all teams run variations of the same plays, football's over a hundred years old pretty much everything has been done.. it's basically the verbiage and how you set it up that differs

 

both the EP and West coast system bases things in concepts but differently

 

But In a west coast system, a play might look like this.... "Brown Right F Short 2 Jet Flanker Drive" .. and that is a really short play...  brown right is the formation, f short the motion, and 2 jet the protection

 

In the west coast system the primary receivers concept is in the play call. It's telling the flanker what route to run.  West coast verbage is usually longer and you have to think a lot more

 

The EP is very condensed. And everything is through concepts not formations

 

The actual concept might be called Ghost/tosser. And that's telling all outside and inside receivers what to run, out of any formation

 

If ghost/ tosser is called, every wide receiver knows what route to run because the concept. It doesn't matter what formation you're in or anyting

 

 

The whole play call might be F right , 72 ghost /tosser.. which is much more simpler than the West coast verbiage

 

F Right is the formation. 72 is the protection and drop.. ghost tosser is the concept

 

You could do F left 72 ghost/tosser and they will still all know what to do

 

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The EP is just a verbage system

 

Like the West coast or coryell systems... It's all how the play is called in the huddle

 

Basically all teams run variations of the same plays, football's over a hundred years old pretty much everything has been done.. it's basically the verbiage and how you set it up that differs

 

both the EP and West coast system bases things in concepts but differently

 

But In a west coast system, a play might look like this.... "Brown Right F Short 2 Jet Flanker Drive"  brown right is the formation, f short the motion, and 2 jet the protection

 

In the west coast system the primary receivers concept is in the play call. It's telling the flanker what route to run.  West coast verbage is usually longer and you have to think a lot more

 

The EP is very condensed. And everything is through concepts not formations

 

The actual concept might be called Ghost/tosser. And that's telling all outside and inside receivers what to run, out of any formation

 

If ghost/ tosser is called, every wide receiver knows what route to run because the concept. It doesn't matter what formation you're in or anyting

 

 

The whole play call might be F right , 72 ghost /tosser.. which is much more simpler than the West coast verbiage

 

F Right is the formation. 72 is the protection and drop.. ghost tosser is the concept

 

You could do F left 72 ghost/tosser and they will still all know what to do

 

 

 

 

 

I agree every team runs everything. But teams still have base systems. The Bills base offense and the 49ers base offense are predicated on different things. 

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Tre is so humble 

 

He is the perfect McDermott player. That is why McDermott in his 1 year as an NFL GM made Tre White his first round pick. 

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree every team runs everything. But teams still have base systems. The Bills base offense and the 49ers base offense are predicated on different things. 

Of course they do.

 

I would call those differences schemes not systems. The system is just how they get the play call out. 

 

The scheme is how they draw it up and execute

 

Every team's base scheme, whether it be pure spread, power run offense, run and shoot etc definitely has an effect on their play calling and on the game

 

Bill Walshs  West coast offense may have been the outlier.. because it was a verbage system and a scheme

 

And that's why today West coast is heavily associated with quick passing game. It did have a scheme built-in by Bill Walsh

 

But some coaches today will use the West coast verbage, without actually running a West coast offense, so it's also a verbage system

 

You're absolutely right that a team like the niners run more of of a Bill Walsh West coast scheme.. as in the short pass is an extension of the run

 

But something like the EP system, is just a system to get the plays out. You can be pure spread or air raid or Power I with the EP

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Buffalo716

[thebandit27]

22 minutes ago, Billl said:

If he’d have hit Knox in the endzone on the last drive, that would have been the best drive of his career.  That game is a perfect microcosm of him being a better football player than a QB.

Or if he’d have had a chance to convert either of the 2 additional chances he had after that—you know, if he didn’t have 2 guys in his face in less than 1 second.

 

But yeah, had he floated a perfect ball to Knox in double coverage with a guy in his face it would’ve been an awesome way to announce his arrival as a big name.
 

I maintain that I’d have gone for 2 and the win there too.