dubs Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Awesome! I've been really looking for some outlets to find serious social justice discussion and messaging. I can't seem to find that anywhere these days. It's almost like no one is talking about any of these social justice issues. Glad to see the NFL filling the void. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) Seriously the NFLPA can get anything it wants Right now and the NFL will give in, in the hopes they play at all. There has never been a better time for them to ask for whatever they want stand by for sideline hot tubs Edited July 22, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 hours ago, whatdrought said: I completely agree. The issue with this situation is the policy that allowed it to happen that way. I get the outrage and I’m there with you on that end, but to say it’s police brutality is burying the lead, I think. I agree that this falls into a different category , but that fact that the police lied on the report and didn't give aid to the victim hurts their case a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Sports is now a parody of its own ridiculous self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, klos63 said: I agree that this falls into a different category , but that fact that the police lied on the report and didn't give aid to the victim hurts their case a bit. What is it they lied about? I hadn’t seen that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: What is it they lied about? I hadn’t seen that. For starters, they listed her injuries as 'none' , they also reported that they didn't force their way into the apartment when they actually used a battering ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 11 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I was at Disney with my family on March 14th, the day before last day everything was open...normally. It is "open" now, technically. Believe me eball, you ARE NOT getting away from the real world if you go to Disney. Donuts, my family just bought our tix for Disney in January 2021, race weekend, and I’m still not convinced we will be able to go by even then, “normally.” I’m just hoping the park will be open still then and that the races will happen! Am supposed to run the marathon for the 2nd straight year, but who knows? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 14 hours ago, racketmaster said: I’ll leave on this note, I’m beginning to think that the country needs to have some type of mandatory military or community service requirement. This would serve a few purposes (1) the youth could use some sort of understanding of discipline, respect, teamwork, and service that appears to be lacking amongst a higher than normal amount of their generation and (2) it would be a good way to create a common bond amongst all citizens having gone through the service requirement together spending time and developing friendships with all different peoples from all different backgrounds thus forcing more people to break out of their bubbles. You forgot (3) Rich kids will learn value of money and keeping in good grace with parents who use influence to prevent their kids from needing to do service. 10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Seriously the NFLPA can get anything it wants Right now and the NFL will give in, in the hopes they play at all. There has never been a better time for them to ask for whatever they want stand by for sideline hot tubs Good year for teams to hold players to contracts and have players hold out not necessitating paying players to not play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, klos63 said: For starters, they listed her injuries as 'none' , they also reported that they didn't force their way into the apartment when they actually used a battering ram. Apparently they lied to get the no-knock warrant as well. On 7/21/2020 at 6:34 PM, JaCrispy said: Slight sarcasm because things have become so polarized...seems like no one is allowed to say anything positive about police... Is a decal honoring officers fallen in the line of duty positive, or nah? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: What is it they lied about? I hadn’t seen that. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-police-had-no-knock-warrant-breonna-taylor-apartment/3235029001/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 3:44 PM, Beast said: Or the five Dallas officers that were murdered that the NFL wouldn't allow the Cowboys to wear a decal in honor of. I am disappointed too. It does represent First Responders. It would be nice to grandfather this in but I doubt it would be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Everyone has an opinion and everyone has to share. What a wonderful ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) There probably is a list of approved sayings vetted by a "non-partisan" board of people. People chosen will be appointed by mayors and governors of cities that have had the most protests that became riots, inner-city turmoil, and violence against others and building property damage rates. Increased percentages of media coverage generated on specific media outlets can factor in. Social workers will be appointed to serve as game commentators, referees, and security at events. Edited July 23, 2020 by Wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Donuts, my family just bought our tix for Disney in January 2021, race weekend, and I’m still not convinced we will be able to go by even then, “normally.” I’m just hoping the park will be open still then and that the races will happen! Am supposed to run the marathon for the 2nd straight year, but who knows? HUDS, I am actually fully confident that things will go well for you in January. I’ve been watching lately a number of videos on Disney and on their reopening. It really looks like they have many things under control. Allears.net on YouTube and DFB on YouTube are good sources of information. Molly from Allears has been doing videos of the openings since they started back up. Edited July 23, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-police-had-no-knock-warrant-breonna-taylor-apartment/3235029001/ Can you clarify this? I read through it but not sure what point you’re trying to make with it. 11 hours ago, klos63 said: For starters, they listed her injuries as 'none' , they also reported that they didn't force their way into the apartment when they actually used a battering ram. Is that something you have a link to? I haven’t seen that. Also, as we discussed before, I’m not sure a bad report after the fact makes that case police brutality, as the league is calling it. Edited July 23, 2020 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I'm wondering if the helmets and jerseys will start to look like NASCAR. Or the helmet starts to look like a union iron workers hard hat with 40 decals on it. It's sounds like a great idea and should look really really spiffy out on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I’m glad we have some semblance of social And racial justice and advocacy going on, but it’s hard to have empathy for billionaires who get taxpayer funded stadiums. There’s no capital risk to owning an NFL team. Has a team gone bankrupt in the past 60 years? And if there is I guarantee you their owners took a better deal to move elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Can you clarify this? I read through it but not sure what point you’re trying to make with it. Is that something you have a link to? I haven’t seen that. Also, as we discussed before, I’m not sure a bad report after the fact makes that case police brutality, as the league is calling it. https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I’m glad we have some semblance of social And racial justice and advocacy going on, but it’s hard to have empathy for billionaires who get taxpayer funded stadiums. There’s no capital risk to owning an NFL team. Has a team gone bankrupt in the past 60 years? And if there is I guarantee you their owners took a better deal to move elsewhere. I can’t even recall a team operating at a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 47 minutes ago, klos63 said: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html Thanks. Seems like there’s a lot of questions left unanswered about this. The discrepancy in the report feels more like a clerical error to me rather than a lie, because how dumb do you have to be to lie about someone not being injured who died from injuries or the forced entry thing which is pretty easy to prove. I guess we’ll see what happens with that. One thing that I caught was that in this article it says he shot after they breached the door, but in the USA Today article Hap posted it says he fired through the door and then they breached. I’m curious about which is right there. And I think the big crux is whether or not they identified themselves. Obviously we have conflicting reports, but it’s hard to say which is accurate at this time. Either way, not at all a fan of no-knock warrants. That being said still not sure this case is an example of police brutality and should be put on helmets as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poleshifter Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Does anyone know what S.H.E.S. is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 7/22/2020 at 10:40 AM, whatdrought said: I completely agree. The issue with this situation is the policy that allowed it to happen that way. I get the outrage and I’m there with you on that end, but to say it’s police brutality is burying the lead, I think. I agree but I am wondering at what level a no knock warrant is issued? How bad of a dude does he need to be? Because this should only be used in extreme cases of literal drug Lord's who hire out executions. I don't know if this guy was really that bad but from the stories around the situation I doubt it. I think the issue is more with the warrant structure than cop structure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) On 7/22/2020 at 9:21 PM, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Donuts, my family just bought our tix for Disney in January 2021, race weekend, and I’m still not convinced we will be able to go by even then, “normally.” I’m just hoping the park will be open still then and that the races will happen! Am supposed to run the marathon for the 2nd straight year, but who knows? I would be shocked if they did the race in January- I was at EPCOT Monday and it was a ghost town. The marathons are big money makers but the way they crowd you will make it unlikely Edited July 25, 2020 by Hapless Bills Fan inappropriate language in quoted post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I agree but I am wondering at what level a no knock warrant is issued? How bad of a dude does he need to be? Because this should only be used in extreme cases of literal drug Lord's who hire out executions. I don't know if this guy was really that bad but from the stories around the situation I doubt it. I think the issue is more with the warrant structure than cop structure. Yep. The issue, I think, is what led to the events. Not that cops shot back when fired upon and someone tragically got killed in the crossfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 And while we’re at it, are you suggesting that nonviolent criminals should not be imprisoned? What about a banker who bilks thousands of middle class workers out of their retirement funds? That’s nonviolent. Should he be set free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonderful Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I watch sports to escape political and social issues. No place for this in the workplace IMO. Will still watch the games but with a definite annoyance and irritation factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonderful Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 7:22 PM, eball said: Sorry, brother, it doesn’t work that way. If you don’t want to allow professional athletes to also be people and support their causes — in a way that doesn’t impact the game you’re watching AT ALL — you are free to change the channel. Then do it off the field so as to not offend those who have a different opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 4:04 PM, H2o said: I wonder if it would be frowned upon if people wore a blue lives matter sticker? Yes, per article, they are asking for input about a list honoring specific individuals, not general statements supporting political movements or POV. I don't think Black Lives Matter or All Lives Matter would be allowed, either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 16 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I agree but I am wondering at what level a no knock warrant is issued? How bad of a dude does he need to be? Because this should only be used in extreme cases of literal drug Lord's who hire out executions. I don't know if this guy was really that bad but from the stories around the situation I doubt it. I think the issue is more with the warrant structure than cop structure. I guess where I am, is how do you separate "policy" from "police"? They seem very intertwined to me. Yes, there's a policy to issue the no-knock warrants, but it's also "on" the police officer to seek one. The warrant structure is not being imposed upon the police as a policy decision from above; it's the police who promoted creation of "no knock" warrants. As I understand it in the Breonna Taylor case, from the reporting, the actual drug offender was an ex-boyfriend of hers who was already in custody. The belief was that the ex-boyfriend might have received packages of drugs shipped to her address, but a postal inspection had not found evidence of that. So no, there was no "bad dude" at that address, it was simply a search for illegal drugs based on her having an ex-boyfriend who was trouble. And it was the police officer(s) in that case who sought the warrant, knowing that the ex-boyfriend drug dealer was already in custody and that no one in that apartment was expected of being a "drug lord" or even an actual drug dealer, and there wasn't even evidence from postal office surveillance supporting her role as a mule, just their suspicion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 4:04 PM, H2o said: I wonder if it would be frowned upon if people wore a blue lives matter sticker? Considering there's no such thing as a "blue life", probably. Black people don't have the ability to just stop being being black whenever they want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Considering there's no such thing as a "blue life", probably. Black people don't have the ability to just stop being being black whenever they want. Actually, for those that can see it for what it is, yes, blue lives are the same identical thing as police lives. So, yes, 100% there are Blue lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Beast said: Actually, for those that can see it for what it is, yes, blue lives are the same identical thing as police lives. So, yes, 100% there are Blue lives. I understand your point, and yes, absolutely police lives matter! They have a hard and often thankless job. I think his point may have been that police can put aside being police at the end of the shift when they remove their uniforms and dress like anyone else. Black and brown people, however, can never put the skin color they're born with aside. Does that make sense put that way? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I understand your point, and yes, absolutely police lives matter! They have a hard and often thankless job. I think his point may have been that police can put aside being police at the end of the shift when they remove their uniforms and dress like anyone else. Black and brown people, however, can never put the skin color they're born with aside. Does that make sense put that way? The point being is Blue= Police. The Police have been referred to as Blue going back 100 years, so this isn't something that all of a sudden came up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Beast said: The point being is Blue= Police. The Police have been referred to as Blue going back 100 years, so this isn't something that all of a sudden came up. I can always be mistaken, but I think we all understand that, including @BullBuchanan. I believe what he meant by saying "there is no such thing as a blue life", is: Police Officers do not go through life 24/7 being publicly identified and perceived as police officers. They take off their uniforms, dress like anyone else, and they are perceived as Joe or Jill Everyman. (Luther Hall surely knows this) They resign or retire from the police force, ditto. If you met some of our police officers on this board at a TBD tailgate, they could look like anyone else. Yes, police officer lives most definitely matter, but they are not "blue lives" in the sense that their visible identity as a police officer is something they can set aside. Can you see that point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I can always be mistaken, but I think we all understand that, including @BullBuchanan. I believe what he meant by saying "there is no such thing as a blue life", is: Police Officers do not go through life 24/7 being publicly identified and perceived as police officers. They take off their uniforms, dress like anyone else, and they are perceived as Joe or Jill Everyman. (Luther Hall surely knows this) They resign or retire from the police force, ditto. If you met some of our police officers on this board at a TBD tailgate, they could look like anyone else. Yes, police officer lives most definitely matter, but they are not "blue lives" in the sense that their visible identity as a police officer is something they can set aside. Can you see that point? Yes they are Blue Lives. They can't set that aside when they are being murdered in uniform. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 23 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Considering there's no such thing as a "blue life", probably. Black people don't have the ability to just stop being being black whenever they want. It’s amazing how ignorant bills fans on this message board dont get this. But people in western ny also love voting for elitist racist #######s like Chris collins so guess it’s not to shocking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) Hilarious that I get warned for calling out people that are saying black lives don’t matter but yet they are allowed to put racist garbage all over this message board. Edited July 26, 2020 by Rocbillsfan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, police officer lives most definitely matter, but they are not "blue lives" in the sense that their visible identity as a police officer is something they can set aside. Spend time with actual police officers and then read back what you wrote. You'll see the point you're missing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Spend time with actual police officers and then read back what you wrote. You'll see the point you're missing. You're kind of making a deal of assumptions here, aren't you now? The police officers I spend time with acknowledge that point. Yes the job stays with them mentally, but they can put on jeans and a shirt and look like anyone else. Ask Luther Hall. I think that's a point you're missing in return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: You're kind of making a deal of assumptions here, aren't you now? No more than you are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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