Goodell opens door for Kaepernick return. How will this end? Take your bets!

[Teddy KGB]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So if he isn’t good (and I’m not really even arguing how good he is but rather he is a nfl qb), what do you call a guy with worse passing numbers with better weapons than him?
 

 

 

1-10 kap > 10-6 playoff Josh.   
 

I can dig it.    Where can I find the blinders to block out the part where he was benched for Gabbert because he was straight trash after his strong early career performances ? 
 

dudes 11 and 24 his last 3 seasons.    Get er dun !!!       
 

Richie incognito and stuff ! 
 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2020 by Teddy KGB

[Just Joshin']

Here is the list of marginal QBs who took 3 years off and came back to be a successful starter:

 

1.  

2.  

3.  

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

1-12 kap > 10-6 playoff Josh.   
 

I can dig it.    Where can I find the blinders to block out the part where he was benched for Gabbert because he was straight trash after his strong early career performances. 

 

God, this is dumb.  Please tell me this is an act and you don’t really think like this.  Drew Brees (hero!!!) went 7-9 2 straight seasons.  Those playoff Josh > Drew Brees.  This is right by this dumb logic.

[Jobot]

I never had an issue with him taking a knee.  Some of the things he says are just ignorant or just don't make any sense.  It's too bad he didn't get some smart minds behind what he was trying to achieve when he had the platform.  I don't see him being very impact moving forward.

[Kirby Jackson]

I think that we are looking at this with extremes. Is Kaep better than some current QBs? Of course!! Nathan Peterman has a job. Every single person in the world, including Peterman, know that Kaep is better.

 

The other side is Kaep worth the attention that follows? It’s like Tebow or Manziel in some ways. Where is the point where the juice is worth the squeeze? I argued 2 years ago that he belonged. At this point I think that his stance is way less controversial but am not sure that a guy out of the league that long is the same player? I think that he will get looks but just don’t think that someone will sign him. 

[tumaro02]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If the NFL is trying to commit suicide it's going down the right path.

Looks to me like the scheming NFL wants Kaepernick to join as a NFL front office adviser so they can give him a forum for his cause. More importantly with a new forum he could stop the players from kneeling for the anthem since he would then be NFL management. Any new battle for disgusted fans who a few years ago left the NFL ticket purchasing, NFL game watching, and NFL merchandise boycotting don't go through the same protest. The NFL pissed off millions of patriotic fans and it cost them millions of dollars. Shrewd move.

[Teddy KGB]

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

God, this is dumb.  Please tell me this is an act and you don’t really think like this.  Drew Brees (hero!!!) went 7-9 2 straight seasons.  Those playoff Josh > Drew Brees.  This is right by this dumb logic.

Which other 11 win 24 loss qbs should we sign ? 

Edited June 16, 2020 by Teddy KGB

[Orlando Tim]

38 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

I don’t think that your talent evaluation skills are as good as you think they are. I bet you’re one of the guys that always posts how stupid a team is for taking a guy in a certain round when you had the player rated differently on “YOUR BOARD”. 

Where do you think CK should have been ranked based on 2016? BTW  I have never discussed a player being over or under drafted, though it is interesting you assume other people do as you do.

[machine gun kelly]

18 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Here is the list of marginal QBs who took 3 years off and came back to be a successful starter:

 

1.  

2.  

3.  

JJ, now that was funny.  Thanks for injecting common sense and I’ll add his last two years, 3-16.  11-24 if you add the year before.  Kaep don’t go away mad, just go away.  Now that doesn’t mean I’m happy he’s speaking out and peacefully protesting social injustices.  It has nothing at all to do with it.  He just sucks as a QB, and yes, I’ll take Barkley or Fromm over him, and I don’t even know how good Fromm can be once he works on his lower body mechanics.  Not wanting Kaep has nothing to do other than bad football play.

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Which other 11 win 24 loss qbs should we sign ? 

Phil Rivers, who has lost 11,12, and 11 games and just signed to be a starter.  It’s almost like football is the ultimate team game!

1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said:

JJ, now that was funny.  Thanks for injecting common sense and I’ll add his last two years, 3-16.  11-24 if you add the year before.  Kaep don’t go away mad, just go away.  Now that doesn’t mean I’m happy he’s speaking out and peacefully protesting social injustices.  It has nothing at all to do with it.  He just sucks as a QB, and yes, I’ll take Barkley or Fromm over him, and I don’t even know how good Fromm can be once he works on his lower body mechanics.  Not wanting Kaep has nothing to do other than bad football play.

Yeah, this is stupid.  Facts not feelings!!!

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KaepCo00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarkMa00.htm

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Why does Goodell have to open the door. If he was putting up Patrick Mahomes numbers he would be on a team right now even with all the kneeling stuff.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

He is too smart to try to sign with anyone. If he bombs, his detractors will "win," so to speak. 

[teef]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Oh no. Dumb snowflakes who refuse to understand what the protest is about will cry and not watch.  The same snowflakes who have cheered woman beaters, guys who threaten to shoot up a funeral home and beat up their grandma (bring back RI, he’s misunderstood!!!), etc.  

 

Guess what if you don’t watch?  No one cares.  The NFL will still print money and those people will be losing out because the idea of racial equality bothers them.  Pathetic.  

the other day you told me that the words, "woke" and "snowflake" were over used and dumb.  i think you've used the term, "snowflake" multiple times since then.  figure it out bro.

 

edit:  this was the exact quote from you...

"and dude, when are people going to grow and stop using corny terms like “woke” (it’s woke to want people to have equal rights apparently.  What’s the opposite of that called) or snowflakes (people who use that term are the biggest snowflakes). "

 

so...are you the biggest snowflake?  

•  

Edited June 16, 2020 by teef

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If the NFL is trying to commit suicide it's going down the right path.

I think you’re confused, the league by siding with the national sentiment on this issue has already told the racist fans to go pound sand. Demographics show that the real money is with the near seventy percent of Americans that they have sided with. Although late in coming the league is now on the right side of history, and has done the right thing. 

[C.Biscuit97]

8 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Why does Goodell have to open the door. If he was putting up Patrick Mahomes numbers he would be on a team right now even with all the kneeling stuff.

He put better passing numbers with absolute garbage than Josh Allen did.  I do find it interesting what the reaction if Mahomes did this.  Honestly, it would be similar.  All these “patriots” got fired up by a creature that did everything he could to get out of serving the country.   
 

the funniest thing is he did this for a couple of games before it became a deal.  Then he talked to a marine (you know a real patriot) and went to a knee because it was more respectful.  CK has contributed a lot more to this country in charity work than a lot of the “patriots” who criticize him who best life accomplishment is they happen to be born in America instead of another country.  
 

CK is far from perfect but if the NFL handled this right in the first place, this issue would probably be over.  And save the garbage that he isn’t good enough when you got scrubs like Barkley, Peterman, Drew Stanton, Jeff drieskel, etc on nfl rosters.  

11 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I think you’re confused, the league by siding with the national sentiment on this issue has already told the racist fans to go pound sand. Demographics show that the real money is with the near seventy percent of Americans that they have sided with. Although late in coming the league is now on the right side of history, and has done the right thing. 

Oh no!!! The NFL will lose it’s racist fanbase!!!

[Mr. WEO]

31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

God, this is dumb.  Please tell me this is an act and you don’t really think like this.  Drew Brees (hero!!!) went 7-9 2 straight seasons.  Those playoff Josh > Drew Brees.  This is right by this dumb logic.

 

Actually Brees had 3 straight 7 win seasons.  During that period, he averaged over 5000 yards, and 34 TDs.   Prior to that stretch, he had another 7-9 season where he put up 5177 yards and 43 TDs.  And had already won a SB.

 

 

Not sure what your logic was trying to achieve comparing Kaepernick's sputtering career to Brees's team's record while he was tearing up the NFL.

 

 

[Don Otreply]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He put better passing numbers with absolute garbage than Josh Allen did.  I do find it interesting what the reaction if Mahomes did this.  Honestly, it would be similar.  All these “patriots” got fired up by a creature that did everything he could to get out of serving the country.   
 

the funniest thing is he did this for a couple of games before it became a deal.  Then he talked to a marine (you know a real patriot) and went to a knee because it was more respectful.  CK has contributed a lot more to this country in charity work than a lot of the “patriots” who criticize him who best life accomplishment is they happen to be born in America instead of another country.  
 

CK is far from perfect but if the NFL handled this right in the first place, this issue would probably be over.  And save the garbage that he isn’t good enough when you got scrubs like Barkley, Peterman, Drew Stanton, Jeff drieskel, etc on nfl rosters.  

Oh no!!! The NFL will lose it’s racist fanbase!!!

Such a shame right... 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

the funniest thing is he did this for a couple of games before it became a deal.  Then he talked to a marine (you know a real patriot) and went to a knee because it was more respectful.  CK has contributed a lot more to this country in charity work than a lot of the “patriots” who criticize him who best life accomplishment is they happen to be born in America instead of another country.  
 

 

 

Actually, he would just sit on the bench and didn't kneel at all.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

25 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

JJ, now that was funny.  Thanks for injecting common sense and I’ll add his last two years, 3-16.  11-24 if you add the year before.  Kaep don’t go away mad, just go away.  Now that doesn’t mean I’m happy he’s speaking out and peacefully protesting social injustices.  It has nothing at all to do with it.  He just sucks as a QB, and yes, I’ll take Barkley or Fromm over him, and I don’t even know how good Fromm can be once he works on his lower body mechanics.  Not wanting Kaep has nothing to do other than bad football play.

 

So is QB the only way to win games?  That 2-14 team under chip had the worst defense in the NFL.  Should that lay only on him?  

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Actually Brees had 3 straight 7 win seasons.  During that period, he averaged over 5000 yards, and 34 TDs.   Prior to that stretch, he had another 7-9 season where he put up 5177 yards and 43 TDs.  And had already won a SB.

 

 

Not sure what your logic was trying to achieve comparing Kaepernick's sputtering career to Brees's team's record while he was tearing up the NFL.

 

 

 

I think the logic is that, its hard to win games with the worst defense in the NFL.

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Will Kaepernick agree to “compete” for a job or will he want a job handed to him? That seems to be the question. If he wants to compete for a job, that’s great. I hope he makes a comeback. But a team can’t just sign him based on societal pressure. That weakens his original message. 

 

I agree 100%.

 

I also think that Kaepernick can be most effective in the front office, which is what I hope he ends up doing.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

54 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Here is the list of marginal QBs who took 3 years off and came back to be a successful starter:

 

1.  

2.  

3.  

 

Warner played in the AFL/NFL europe between college and the NFL.  Not sure how long flutie was out of the NFL but it was probably a while.  Vick spent 2 years in prison - then signed with philly and sat for a year.  Cunningham took a year off and came back as a backup before starting a year later. 

 

I don't think they all fit the exact 3 years off or whatever, but i think QB coaching has changed quite a bit since then.  If he's kept up working out etc.  

Edited June 16, 2020 by dneveu

[teef]

Just now, dneveu said:

 

Warner played in the AFL/NFL europe between college and the NFL.  Not sure how long flutie was out of the NFL but it was probably a while.  Vick spent 2 years in prison - then signed with philly and sat for a year.  

warner and flutie were at least still playing at a competitive level.  vick is really the exception.  

[Teddy KGB]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I agree 100%.

 

I also think that Kaepernick can be most effective in the front office, which is what I hope he ends up doing.

what sort of talents will he bring to the “front office”    

[Gugny]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

what sort of talents will he bring to the “front office”    

 

Do your own homework, Sue.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, teef said:

warner and flutie were at least still playing at a competitive level.  vick is really the exception.  

 

Yeah, i'm definitely reaching.  But he played a fair amount of games prior to 2017, he knows how to prepare, and probably has continued to work on his own, but who knows.

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

Do your own homework, Sue.

His workout followed by mumbling stuff screams front office guy 

[Gugny]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

His workout followed by mumbling stuff screams front office guy 

 

Tell me .... does it hurt?  It should hurt.

[Teddy KGB]

6 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Tell me .... does it hurt?  It should hurt.

Still waiting on those front office accolades.  
 

He must a good scout or something, huh ??‍♂️??‍♂️

[C.Biscuit97]

30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Actually Brees had 3 straight 7 win seasons.  During that period, he averaged over 5000 yards, and 34 TDs.   Prior to that stretch, he had another 7-9 season where he put up 5177 yards and 43 TDs.  And had already won a SB.

 

 

Not sure what your logic was trying to achieve comparing Kaepernick's sputtering career to Brees's team's record while he was tearing up the NFL.

 

 

The point was he using win-loss record to say how successful a qb was.  A lot of qbs would have won a bunch of games on the Bills last year.  Using win-loss record as a go to argument is pretty stupid.  Aaron Rodgers has had losing seasons.  Pat Mahomes lost a game where his team scored 45 points.  Blanket use of win-loss record for qbs is flat out dumb.  
 

the 2016 49ers were one of the worst rosters in recent history.   https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2016.htm  I wonder how many games Allen would win with the 32nd ranked defense and his top targets being Kerley and Patton (who I never even heard of it)? 
 

it’s one thing to not like his kneeling.  It’s completely disingenuous to pretend like he was some awful qb and was the reason that crappy roster wasn’t winning.  

Edited June 16, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

Still waiting on those front office accolades.  
 

He must a good scout or something, huh ??‍♂️??‍♂️

 

Scout?  Did you, by chance, read about this at all?  By read, I mean get past the headline.  Give it a shot.  It's amazing to read things and form your own opinions instead of being told how to feel about everything.  I highly recommend.  With that .. good day.

[Mr. WEO]

25 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

So is QB the only way to win games?  That 2-14 team under chip had the worst defense in the NFL.  Should that lay only on him?  

 

I think the logic is that, its hard to win games with the worst defense in the NFL.

  

Or when you QB the (next to) worst offense in the league.  He couldn't generate any points.

 

Brees was lighting it up.  It's a poorly thought out comparison, lacking logic.

 

 

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

The point was he using win-loss record to say how successful a qb was.  A lot of qbs would have won a bunch of games on the Bills last year.  Using win-loss record as a go to argument is pretty stupid.  Aaron Rodgers has had losing seasons.  Pat Mahomes lost a game where his team scored 45 points.  Blanket use of win-loss record for qbs is flat out dumb.  
 

the 2016 49ers were one of the worst rosters in recent history. 

 

Except you can easily look a Kaepernick's own stats and credit losses to that.  His stats are nothing like Brees's--no mateer how many games the Saints loss.  As opposed to  the 49ers, The Saints losses were not also a function of QB play. 

Edited June 16, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[teef]

12 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Yeah, i'm definitely reaching.  But he played a fair amount of games prior to 2017, he knows how to prepare, and probably has continued to work on his own, but who knows.

agreed. i have to imagine he's stayed in playing shape.  it could be an interesting story.

[Mr. WEO]

23 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I agree 100%.

 

I also think that Kaepernick can be most effective in the front office, which is what I hope he ends up doing.

 

I see a team putting them on their roster, but never in their front office.  

[GregPersons]

21 minutes ago, dneveu said:

Warner played in the AFL/NFL europe between college and the NFL.  Not sure how long flutie was out of the NFL but it was probably a while.  Vick spent 2 years in prison - then signed with philly and sat for a year.  Cunningham took a year off and came back as a backup before starting a year later. 

 

I don't think they all fit the exact 3 years off or whatever, but i think QB coaching has changed quite a bit since then.  If he's kept up working out etc.  

 

I wish I could give this post 4 Lombardis. 

 

Also. Kaepernick's situation is overall unprecedented. There's not a lot of other QBs, "marginal" or otherwise, who were blacklisted for 3 years. 

 

And, unprecedented =/= impossible. It was unprecedented to go to 4 Super Bowls, or a QB to play in a SB in his 40s, etc. 

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

  

Or when you QB the (next to) worst offense in the league.  He couldn't generate any points.

 

Brees was lighting it up.  It's a poorly thought out comparison, lacking logic.

 

 

 

Except you can easily look a Kaepernick's own stats and credit losses to that.  His stats are nothing like Brees's--no mateer how many games the Saints loss.  As opposed to  the 49ers, The Saints losses were not also a function of QB play. to QB play.

Stop.  You know the point I was making.  
 

CK, who isn’t good enough for the NFl according to some, had better passing stats to Allen who went to the playoffs last year.  Allen would have sucked in that SF situation as every qb would have it.  That team was complete garbage. 

[ExWNYer]

Four pages an you've yet to smarmily weigh in @Roger Goodell.

[GregPersons]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

agreed. i have to imagine he's stayed in playing shape.  it could be an interesting story.

 

How shocking would it be, really, if he played better than before? Everyone - not you specifically, just, the larger narrative around this - we all seem to be so certain Kaep would be worse, or at best, as good as he was before. I just love when people are so certain about the future, in general. (Not for nothing but I called Trump, as well; didn't want it, wasn't hoping for it, saw it coming a year in advance. Can't prove it, believe it or don't, w/e). Just saying! There is no definite anything. 

 

How cynical do we have to be about the human body and the physique and etc needed to play QB, especially now, where people are in better overall shape than ever and active at older ages?  Brady is in his 40s.  I get that they play a different kind of ball, but that's what I'm saying — Kaep having time off to heal his body, it's not wholly dissimilar to Gronkowski taking a year off or whatever, and who knows how that will go. 

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, GregPersons said:

 

The NFL botched this not only morally, but as a business.

 

They proved they couldn't predict a rainstorm in a hurricane. They could have EASILY had the nuts to just get behind Kaep to begin with, do a BLM month like with cancer and all the other causes, and just have a little backbone in standing up to the loud racists, including Trump. 

 

Did the NFL think the issue would go away? Did the NFL think their blacklisting Kaep and turning him into a martyr was going to make him less influential? 

 

You know what I mean? Like even separate from the fact that, on a human being level, the NFL behaved monstrously.... just in terms of having confidence in their ability to predict the future or read the market, this was a MASSIVE failure. 

 

Kaep would be well within his right to tell them to go screw. But I just don't think that's his character.

Kaepernick is not a victim.

 

He knew what he was doing and he brought it all on himself.

 

It's true that the NFL didn't know how to handle the whole situation, but they would have been screwed either way.

[Bill from NYC]

5 hours ago, GregPersons said:

 

Despite a certain moderator with a Christmas Story avatar mocking this suggestion in the "Kaep to NE" thread, apparently I'm not the only one to think the Chargers make sense for Kaep -- https://boltbeat.com/2020/06/15/la-chargers-colin-kaepernick-flier/

 

 

Anyway. What do you think will happen? 

 

 

I think that you should continue to throw digs at the moderators and see what happens.

Edited June 16, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

God, this is dumb.  Please tell me this is an act and you don’t really think like this.  Drew Brees (hero!!!) went 7-9 2 straight seasons.  Those playoff Josh > Drew Brees.  This is right by this dumb logic.

Are you telling us all that Colin Kaepernick is a far more superior QB than Josh Allen is right now, and will continue to be the better of the two in the future?