Baker Mayfield will knee

[BillsFan4]

To those saying they’re done if a Bills player takes a knee - see you on football Sunday’s! ?

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Mister Defense]

5 minutes ago, Cal said:

 

I only watch Bills games after the first kneeling stuff. If it continues, I will give up my seasons and stop watching my beloved Bills. I have to do what I feel is right.

 

Thanks, but why? What is your reasoning for doing that? Why would you stop watching the Bills if players do this?

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Mister Defense

[Cal]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Then leave.  Honest to God, this gets ridiculous.  When it all started with Keap he went to a decorated Green Beret for advice and was told that would be the honorable way to approach it.  I know some vets who are against it, I know some vets who say that is exactly why they fought, to protect the rights of people. 

 

I stand for the anthem, I will continue to do so.  But I also get why black players are protesting because the events of the past few weeks have finally opened the eyes of this 64 year old white man that things have got to change. 

 

You want to leave, go ahead.  If a protest for the 2 minutes for the anthem is going to ruin a football game or team, good for you.  But if you’ve ever been at a game talking to a friend or in the restroom during the anthem you’re a hypocrite.  And if you can’t see that it’s finally time to see that things need to change maybe you’re something else.

 

Nobody said things don't have to change but there are right and wrong ways to go about it.

2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh.  Seriously, who freaking cares anymore?   If you want to stand, then stand.  If you want to kneel, then kneel.  How does this impact anyone directly?   Get over it.

 

You hate your country. We get it.

[Beast]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

To those saying they’re done if a Bills player takes a knee - see you on opening day! ?

While you are right about some, not all will be there.
 

I know people that left back when there were a handful of kneeler and never came back.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Beast

[Don Otreply]

11 minutes ago, Beast said:

No, what you are is intolerant to how other people feel.  Values are not governed. Not by you. Not by me.

 

I served as well.

Feel? How about the truth of the matter?  American citizens exercising their constitutional rights is not and never has been an insult to we who served. Again, the flag does not and never has represented the military, the flag represents the constitution and the social values of our country, that in turn the military is sworn to and oath bound to protect, end of story. Your or my feelings do not come into play on this.  That  you “feel” otherwise is unfortunate and bears introspection on your behalf. Nothin but luv, and thank you for your service to our great country. 
Semper FI. 

[Rico]

If kneeling makes them a tighter team and leads to more wins, then go for it.

 

Still don't like Tre White dissing a teammate though.

[JoPoy88]

8 minutes ago, Cal said:

 

Nobody said things don't have to change but there are right and wrong ways to go about it.

 

You hate your country. We get it.

outlandish stuff like this is why you get very little respect around here. Sort yourself out.

Edited June 14, 2020 by JoPoy88

[BillsFan4]

4 minutes ago, Beast said:

While you are right about some, not all will be there.
 

I know people that left back when there were a handful of kneeler and never came back.

 

 

I was just joking around. 

[Beast]

10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Feel? How about the truth of the matter?  American citizens exercising their constitutional rights is not and never has been an insult to we who served. Again, the flag does not and never has represented the military, the flag represents the constitution and the social values of our country, that in turn the military is sworn to and oath bound to protect, end of story. Your or my feelings do not come into play on this.  That  you “feel” otherwise is unfortunate and bears introspection on your behalf. Nothin but luv, and thank you for your service to our great country. 
Semper FI. 

Does not represent the military? Um, yes it freaking does. Ever been to a military funeral? Ever see the flag folding ceremony and that flag being handed to the family? You know, the same flag that was folded neatly inside of the casket by the soldiers head and then draped over their casket?

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Beast

[Cal]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Does not represent the military? Um, yes it freaking does. Ever been to a military funeral? Ever see the flag folding ceremony and that flag being handed to the family? You know, the same flag that was folded neatly inside of the casket by the soldiers head and then draped over their casket?

 

I can’t even argue with your stupidity anymore. Take care.

 

You hit it on the head man. Well said.

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Beast said:

Does not represent the military? Um, yes it freaking does. Ever been to a military funeral? Ever see the flag folding ceremony and that flag being handed to the family? You know, the same flag that was folded neatly inside of the casket by the soldiers head and then draped over their casket?

 

The flag represents the entire country. It's not our military flag, it's our national flag. If kneeling during the anthem is disrespecting the military it also disrespects public schools, national parks, etc. It was never about the military. It was simply a way for Kaepernick and others to express how they feel people like them are treated in America. They don't stand for the anthem because they don't think the country stands for them. If you still don't know the meaning behind the protest you haven't paid any attention.

[Beast]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The flag represents the entire country. It's not our military flag, it's our national flag. If kneeling during the anthem is disrespecting the military it also disrespects public schools, national parks, etc. It was never about the military. It was simply a way for Kaepernick and others to express how they feel people like them are treated in America. They don't stand for the anthem because they don't think the country stands for them. If you still don't know the meaning behind the protest you haven't paid any attention.

I don’t care what it is about. Kneeling during the anthem while the flag is being honored is disrespectful as hell in my eyes. 
 

Like I said, they have the right to kneel. And I, and others, have the right to find it disrespectful. 
 

If you don’t see it the way I do, so be it. Don’t really care, either.

 

 BTW, the flag does represent all of us and that includes the military. You don’t think the military and flag are intertwined all I can do is laugh. If a soldier knelt during the anthem and didn’t stand at attention and salute they would be court martialed.....no questions asked.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Beast

[HappyDays]

Just now, Beast said:

Kneeling during the anthem while the flag is being honored is disrespectful as hell in my eyes. 

 

The flag isn't being "honored," it's being displayed. The national anthem honors America. I don't subscribe to flag worship. You can if you want but don't assume an intent to disrespect veterans because that's what you think it symbolizes.

[Beast]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

The flag isn't being "honored," it's being displayed. The national anthem honors America. I don't subscribe to flag worship. You can if you want but don't assume an intent to disrespect veterans because that's what you think it symbolizes.

Um, where do you stand and face while the anthem is playing? The restroom? Hot dog stand? You ever notice that flag that sometimes stretches over the entire football field?

 

I’m done with your stupidity as well.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Beast

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

People that get upset about people kneeling during the anthem are racist it's that simple 

[Herc11]

3 hours ago, Cal said:

Reported on ESPN that Mayfield plans to knee during national anthem. If any Bills player does, I'm done. 

 

You realize some of the Bills were kneeling during the first round of all this stuff already, right?

[Johnny Hammersticks]

23 minutes ago, Cal said:

You hate your country. We get it.

 

Weak ?

 

If me stating that I think people should have the choice to either stand or kneel during during the national anthem leads you to believe that I hate my country...you clearly are a confused individual.  

 

[Herc11]

1 minute ago, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

People that get upset about people kneeling during the anthem are racist it's that simple 

 

That's just stupid. I know plenty of people that are opposed to it and are hardly racist. 

 

Stop with the b.s. of labeling everything someone says or does that isn't your view as racist.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Bferra13 said:

 

How so? It obviously cost the league viewers a couple years ago. I dont see that changing this time around.

 

maybe so. But what can the owners do about it? I think if they start to fine, suspend or cut players that kneel they could find themeslves losing even more eyeballs. Especially if marquee players like Mahomes and Watson continue to speak up. I can’t seem them telling Mahomes or Watson to have a seat on the bench.

 

 

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Beast said:

Um, where do you stand and face while the anthem is playing? The restroom? Hot dog stand? You ever notice that flag that sometimes stretches over the entire football field?

 

Yeah because the flag is a symbol of America. I mean are you saying the anthem is literally about honoring the flag? That's nonsense. It's the national anthem, not the anthem of the flag. And it's an even bigger stretch to say it's just about the military. Like most other Americans I said the Pledge of Allegiance from kindergarten through 12th grade, which in retrospect is pretty weird. But I never thought of it as respecting the military. It was about a general loyalty to America. The kneelers are just saying they don't feel that loyalty because they aren't treated the same. I'm not going to try and explain it again, you either get it or you don't.

[BurpleBull]

3 hours ago, Cal said:

Reported on ESPN that Mayfield plans to knee during national anthem. If any Bills player does, I'm done. 

 

You put the 'C' in "C ya!".

[Herc11]

10 minutes ago, Beast said:

I don’t care what it is about. Kneeling during the anthem while the flag is being honored is disrespectful as hell in my eyes. 
 

Like I said, they have the right to kneel. And I, and others, have the right to find it disrespectful. 
 

If you don’t see it the way I do, so be it. Don’t really care, either.

 

 BTW, the flag does represent all of us and that includes the military. You don’t think the military and flag are intertwined all I can do is laugh. If a soldier knelt during the anthem and didn’t stand at attention and salute they would be court martialed.....no questions asked.

 

Have you been to a game? Not just Bills, any large game or gathering. Look around next time the anthem is being played and you will see countless people talking, have their hats on, and doing everything but standing silently. But yet, people lose their sh.t when someone kneels.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I agree, I think the NFL will lose so much money that they will need to do something different at some point during the season. If they were smart they would try to figure something out now that works for everyone. If ratings get really bad I can see players in the locker room during the anthem. 

But remember how Steeler fans went bezerk after the Steelers did that? The NFL will do away with the anthem all together before trying that again.

 

With so many players, coaches and owners now openly supporting the right to kneel it seems the NFL could stand to lose more money if they attempt to find ways to circumvent players from kneeling. 

[Beast]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah because the flag is a symbol of America. I mean are you saying the anthem is literally about honoring the flag? That's nonsense. It's the national anthem, not the anthem of the flag. And it's an even bigger stretch to say it's just about the military. Like most other Americans I said the Pledge of Allegiance from kindergarten through 12th grade, which in retrospect is pretty weird. But I never thought of it as respecting the military. It was about a general loyalty to America. The kneelers are just saying they don't feel that loyalty because they aren't treated the same. I'm not going to try and explain it again, you either get it or you don't.

The Anthem IS about honoring the flag! That’s why it is called THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER for Cripes sake! You know, oh say does that star spangled, banner yet wave! What do you think the star spangled banner is that Francis Scott Key was referring to? Please tell me you didn’t know.
 

Let me ask you something....if the flag isn’t directly tied in with the military, how come soldiers graves, every Memorial Day, are adorned with little American flags? 
 

How come the flag is folded nice and neat by a soldiers head while their body is being displayed in their casket?

 

Why does the American flag draped over a soldiers casket as they are being flown home for burial?

 

Why, at Sabres games, do they trot out military people at every game, onto the ice, while the Anthem is being played and the flag is being displayed overhead?

 

Why, on military bases, do soldiers jump from their seats in a theatre when the National Anthem is being played and the flag displayed on the movie screen?

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Beast

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Mailman said:

Typical response. People just want to watch the game, and forego the politics and the demonstrations.  Baker Mayfield is simply a d-bag, regardless of what he does anyway. 

Seeing as the peaceful protest/display is before the kick off that is still 100% possible.

[Beast]

7 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

 

Have you been to a game? Not just Bills, any large game or gathering. Look around next time the anthem is being played and you will see countless people talking, have their hats on, and doing everything but standing silently. But yet, people lose their sh.t when someone kneels.

Are you saying that there are people that don’t find those people talking disrespectful?

 

What should I do? Start yelling at them or go slap them upside their head?

Edited June 14, 2020 by Beast

[BillsfaninSB]

I wish we could stop playing the national anthem at the beginning of every single sporting event.  Pros, college, badminton tournaments, T-ball.  Just stop it.  Same with plastering the flag everywhere, which by the way is technically illegal.  It debases what it symbolizes. 

 

 

[Herc11]

10 minutes ago, Beast said:

Are you saying that there are people that don’t find those people talking disrespectful?

 

What should I do? Start yelling at them or go slap them upside their head?

 

What I am saying is that this is behavior that has gone on forever. Where was the outrage about the disrespect? With how many have complained about the kneeling, I would guess a vast majority of those are the same people talking to their buddies, buying a beer, walking around the concourse, etc...

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Regardless the NFL is going to lose a boat load of money. I personally think the Owners/Players have the money and connections to get awareness out in so many other ways. There is a reason that the announcement goes out to please stand before the anthem is played. I believe in equality for everyone, everyone should be treated with respect. Throughout my life through various jobs I have never discriminated against anyone. If I could help someone out by making a repair and saving a customer 1,000's of dollars from having a plumber roll out I did it regardless if they were rich, poor, white,black,blue or red.

 

 

[Success]

5 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

 

What I am saying is that this is behavior that has gone on forever. Where was the outrage about the disrespect? With how many have complained about the kneeling, I would guess a vast majority of those are the same people talking to their buddies, buying a beer, walking around the concourse, etc...

It shouldn't bother people.

 

I'll probably get the thread shut down, but why don't a lot of the same people who got so outraged about the kneeling not care a bit about a national leader saying that he only liked the guys who weren't captured?

 

[purple haze]

3 hours ago, Cal said:

Reported on ESPN that Mayfield plans to knee during national anthem. If any Bills player does, I'm done. 

Might as well leave now and save yourself the angst.  

[Herc11]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

It shouldn't bother people.

 

I'll probably get the thread shut down, but why don't a lot of the same people who got so outraged about the kneeling not care a bit about a national leader saying that he only liked the guys who weren't captured?

 

 

I'm calling people out for their hypocrisy if you didn't notice.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

25 minutes ago, Beast said:

Are you saying that there are people that don’t find those people talking disrespectful?

 

What should I do? Start yelling at them or go slap them upside their head?

I remember going to a Bears game with my Dad (Marine) and my Grandpa (Navy). I was 12 and my younger brother was 10. I forgot to take my hat off and heard my full name being yelled. I looked to my right to see my dad and grandpa looking at me telling me to take my hat off. If a look could make you ***** in your pants then I crapped mine twice that day.

[GoBills808]

33 minutes ago, Beast said:

Are you saying that there are people that don’t find those people talking disrespectful?

 

What should I do? Start yelling at them or go slap them upside their head?

Serious question: do you get upset about the massive one they display pregame on the field being held horizontally against code?

[mannc]

2 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

""If you still think it's about disrespecting the flag or our military, you clearly haven't been listening," Watt tweeted on Saturday."

 

"Yeah, I'll take a knee -- I'm all for it," O'Brien told the Houston Chronicle. "The players have a right to protest, a right to be heard and a right to be who they are. They're not taking a knee because they're against our flag. They're taking a knee because they haven't been treated equally in this country for over 400 years."

 

Texans' J.J. Watt says taking a knee isn't about the American flag

 

 

Interesting.  I don’t recall JJ Watt (or BOB) speaking out on Kaepernick’s behalf before now.  Smells like disingenuous opportunism to me...

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, mannc said:

Interesting.  I don’t recall JJ Watt (or BOB) speaking out on Kaepernick’s behalf before now.  Smells like disingenuous opportunism to me...

while J.J. Watt is taking a knee, he will be mic’d up, saying, “knee! Oh, yeah! Oh yeah! Let’s go!” And his brother TJ will be tweeting, “kneeeeeeeee!!!!!” 

[Herc11]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

Interesting.  I don’t recall JJ Watt (or BOB) speaking out on Kaepernick’s behalf before now.  Smells like disingenuous opportunism to me...

 

not opportunism... it's you either agree with everything going on or you risk being alienated and labeled a racist

[mannc]

Just now, Herc11 said:

 

not opportunism... it's you either agree with everything going on or you risk being alienated and labeled a racist

Oh, I get it.  The people who left Kaepernick out to dry for three years are in a tough position right now...doesn’t mean I can’t laugh at them.

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, Cal said:

Reported on ESPN that Mayfield plans to knee during national anthem. If any Bills player does, I'm done. 

 

[mannc]

I’m more than a little disappointed that no one has cued up that epic video of a liquored-up Baker being chased and tackled by the cops...