Report: Bills we’re taking Dugger at 54 if he was there

[njbuff]

Like someone pointed out.......

 

I can buy this Dugger argument more if the Bills took Chinn.

 

It’s all just pure speculation since no one has any idea where McBeane was going with the 54th overall pick to begin with.

[Doc]

23 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

If they were so dead set on Dugger at 54, why wouldn’t they have drafted Jeremy Chinn who was still there at our pick? Similar players except Chinn is much younger. I don’t buy it.

 

Excellent point.

[FireChans]

24 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

If they were so dead set on Dugger at 54, why wouldn’t they have drafted Jeremy Chinn who was still there at our pick? Similar players except Chinn is much younger. I don’t buy it.

Why did the Patriots take Dugger over Chinn?

[njbuff]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Why did the Patriots take Dugger over Chinn?

Ummmmm

 

maybe they liked him better.

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Like someone pointed out.......

 

I can buy this Dugger argument more if the Bills took Chinn.

 

It’s all just pure speculation since no one has any idea where McBeane was going with the 54th overall pick to begin with.

 

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Excellent point.

Just because they loved Dugger doesn’t mean that they loved Chinn....that’s an odd argument. 

[njbuff]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Just because they loved Dugger doesn’t mean that they loved Chinn....that’s an odd argument. 

True, but very similar types.

[JESSEFEFFER]

I think being 24 is a big deal especially for a team that took 19 year old Edmunds.  Then there's the competition.  A 24 year old man playing against the 19 to 21 year olds at the DII level doesn't project well to the NFL.  Then there's the " he doesnt do on tape what he will be asked to do in the NFL."

 

It's the triple whammy of cause for doubt.

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, njbuff said:

True, but very similar types.

They do similar things but who knows where the Bills had Chinn graded? The Bills loved Dugger. That doesn’t mean that they loved Chinn. The Bills probably loved Chase Young. That doesn’t mean that they automatically loved Bradlee Anae. 
 

The Bills wanted Dugger. The Bills were prepared to move into the 40’s for Dugger. Dugger was drafted at 37. The Bills pivoted and took Epenesa. That happens to teams all of the time. Every single team, in every single draft has guys that they want, that they think they can get, that are gone by their next pick. 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Ummmmm

 

maybe they liked him better.

Exactly. 

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

They do similar things but who knows wherenthe Bills had Chinn graded. The Bills loved Dugger. That doesn’t mean that they loved Chinn. The Bills probably loves Chase Young. That doesn’t mean that they automatically loved Bradlee Anae. 
 

The Bills wanted Dugger. The Bills were prepared to move into the 40’s for Dugger. Dugger was drafted at 37. The Bills pivoted and took Epenesa. That happens to teams all of the time. Every single team, in every single draft has guys that they want, that they think they can get, that are gone by their next pick. 

If the Redskins loved Burrow, why didn’t they draft Jake Fromm?

[Don Otreply]

Dugger is likely to end up career wise like that Dolphin player Josh made look like a tool on that run we all enjoyed watching repeatedly.. always forget his name... the cheap shot guy...

[SteveFreeman22]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Dugger had a ton of hype with being drafted by the Bills but I’m glad they got Epenesa. 

What the hell does this mean? English next time please.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They do similar things but who knows wherenthe Bills had Chinn graded. The Bills loved Dugger. That doesn’t mean that they loved Chinn. The Bills probably loves Chase Young. That doesn’t mean that they automatically loved Bradlee Anae. 
 

The Bills wanted Dugger. The Bills were prepared to move into the 40’s for Dugger. Dugger was drafted at 37. The Bills pivoted and took Epenesa. That happens to teams all of the time. Every single team, in every single draft has guys that they want, that they think they can get, that are gone by their next pick. 

 

I don't have a sub to the Athletic so I didn't see or hear elsewhere that the Bills were prepared to move up for Dugger. 

[PIZ]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They do similar things but who knows wherenthe Bills had Chinn graded. The Bills loved Dugger. That doesn’t mean that they loved Chinn. The Bills probably loves Chase Young. That doesn’t mean that they automatically loved Bradlee Anae. 
 

The Bills wanted Dugger. The Bills were prepared to move into the 40’s for Dugger. Dugger was drafted at 37. The Bills pivoted and took Epenesa. That happens to teams all of the time. Every single team, in every single draft has guys that they want, that they think they can get, that are gone by their next pick. 

They probably tried trading up and could have, but they didn’t love him enough to give up the 3rd round pick (Moss). In hindsight, looking at who they got with their picks, it probably worked out better for them. They could have had Dugger if they would have given up the required picks, but they would have missed out on some combination of Epenesa, Moss, Davis, and Fromm. 
 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

35 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

1. Everyone wants to believe the Bills got their first choice.

 

2. Dugger was never a very popular choice among the majority of Bills fans for whatever reason.

 

It's mostly this. It's a weird coping mechanism that I don't think is really needed.

 

There are so many teams in the draft that don't get the #1 guy they hoped for at their pick, but no GM is going to say that, so I think fans are conditioned to believe or just want to believe that the draft always works out in the most optimal way. 

[Kirby Jackson]

28 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I don't have a sub to the Athletic so I didn't see or hear elsewhere that the Bills were prepared to move up for Dugger. 

I don’t know how much you trust my info but I have a text that I sent to my dad and brother at 5:39 on Friday after receiving a text saying Dugger. If I can figure out how to shrink it down I’ll attach it.
 

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[auburnbillsbacker]

He seems like a freak athlete.  I wouldn't be surprised.

[DrDawkinstein]

52 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

If they were so dead set on Dugger at 54, why wouldn’t they have drafted Jeremy Chinn who was still there at our pick? Similar players except Chinn is much younger. I don’t buy it.

 

31 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Like someone pointed out.......

 

I can buy this Dugger argument more if the Bills took Chinn.

 

It’s all just pure speculation since no one has any idea where McBeane was going with the 54th overall pick to begin with.

 

Because the Beane went BPA, as he said he would, instead of reaching for a position.

 

Safety isnt as much a need as DE, but Dugger would have been BPA. Chinn did not rank with Dugger or Epenesa.

 

Easy as that.

[Bangarang]

48 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

1. Everyone wants to believe the Bills got their first choice.

 

2. Dugger was never a very popular choice among the majority of Bills fans for whatever reason.

You’re probably right. I may be in the minority here but as long as we draft impact players then I couldn’t care less if they weren’t our first choice.

[Alphadawg7]

Not really a shock to be honest, they did a ton of high level scouting on him, maybe more than any other player I can recall hearing or reading about.  
 

Im sure Dugger and AJE were closely graded, doesn't really matter who was the one slightly higher.

 

But, I think 2 things:

 

1.  I do believe Dugger May have been the pick instead of AJE if both had been on the board simply because we signed Addison and Jefferson already, so it’s not like AJE was a must draft position for us and Dugger is very versatile all over the secondary the way he projects.  And when eyeing teams like Ravens and Chiefs as who we now have to focus on (instead of Pats), adding that kind of versatility makes a lot of sense.  We have some explosive players to cover in the secondary, including at TE with those teams and Dugger could plug into that nicely if he is as good as they believe.

 

2.  AJE is the safer pick given how well he played against top competition and I think will have a bigger impact if he hits than Dugger would.  While I was intrigued by Dugger, he just didn’t make the kind of impact I would expect in D2.  I’m always a little more down on players who you have to make excuses for or explain while their production didn’t quite match their potential, especially against low level competition.  The two exceptions for me where I am more accepting of the lower production vs perceived talent are QB and WR because both are so highly dependent on other positions to individually succeed.  

[Troll Toll]

Just like last year when the Pats took that crappy receiver in the first round, I was laughing this year when they took this D2 guy that didn’t stand out THAT much. They’ve had some crappy drafts lately and I’m glad we didn’t take him.

[njbuff]

This board would have blew a gasket if the Bills selected Dugger.

 

Breakdown averted. ?

[PIZ]

I believe Kirby so I will assume the Bills did intend on drafting him if he was there. They didn’t get him. So, will this be a high priority position in the 2021 draft? Any college players that would be of similar talent for next years draft?

 

 

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They do similar things but who knows where the Bills had Chinn graded? The Bills loved Dugger. That doesn’t mean that they loved Chinn. The Bills probably loved Chase Young. That doesn’t mean that they automatically loved Bradlee Anae. 
 

The Bills wanted Dugger. The Bills were prepared to move into the 40’s for Dugger. Dugger was drafted at 37. The Bills pivoted and took Epenesa. That happens to teams all of the time. Every single team, in every single draft has guys that they want, that they think they can get, that are gone by their next pick. 

 

Anyone that talks with this much conviction you just can't believe. 

 

This regime is as tight lipped as I have ever seen, I just don't see some random guy knowing all this information.

[Stanley Lombardi]

I'm calling BS on the lot of you.  You don't know jack.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, PIZ said:

I believe Kirby so I will assume the Bills did intend on drafting him if he was there. They didn’t get him. So, will this be a high priority position in the 2021 draft? Any college players that would be of similar talent for next years draft?

 

 

 

Was just about to say "If its in The Athletic, I tend to believe it. If Kirby says it, I ABSOLUTELY believe it'

 

With regards to a priority position in the draft, I'm not so sure.

 

I expect Beane to continue to do what he does, and bring in some suitable FAs, and then if BPA matches up to that need he takes him, but if not he'll take another position. Plus, I think they like Johnson and Neal. So who knows.

 

But I dont expect Beane to ever reach for a need in the draft.

[njbuff]

Just now, Blue on Blue said:

I'm calling BS on the lot of you.  You don't know jack.

Truth is no one will EVER know.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Anyone that talks with this much conviction you just can't believe. 

 

This regime is as tight lipped as I have ever seen, I just don't see some random guy knowing all this information.

 

That's because you are new to the board and don't know Kirby.

2 minutes ago, Blue on Blue said:

I'm calling BS on the lot of you.  You don't know jack.

 

LOL at the newbs.

[Back2Buff]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's because you are new to the board and don't know Kirby.

 

LOL at the newbs.

 

That could be the case, but is Beane really posting on a message board as a dude named Kirby?  I find that highly unlikely

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

 

That could be the case, but is Beane really posting on a message board as a dude named Kirby?  I find that highly unlikely

 

 

 

Kirby is not Beane. We all know that. But he isnt that far removed from him either. Leave it at that.

[Logic]

13 minutes ago, njbuff said:

This board would have blew a gasket if the Bills selected Dugger.

 

Breakdown averted. ?

By "this board", you mean you, yourself, right? YOU would have blown a gasket. Just be honest.

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

McBeane was NEVER taking Dugger over Epenesa, so this discussion is pretty mute to begin with.

 

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

Like someone pointed out.......

 

I can buy this Dugger argument more if the Bills took Chinn.

 

It’s all just pure speculation since no one has any idea where McBeane was going with the 54th overall pick to begin with.

1. You can only buy the argument if they put positional need over player grade?

2. Yes, they were going to take Dugger

3. I believe you mean “moot”

9 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Anyone that talks with this much conviction you just can't believe. 

 

This regime is as tight lipped as I have ever seen, I just don't see some random guy knowing all this information.

You can (and should) believe Kirby. If he says he knows then he knows.

[Logic]

Hypothetically, I wonder what it would have taken for the Bills to get from 54 up to, say, 42 to get Dugger. It's a moot point, obviously, and especially because it sounds like the Panthers may have taken him at 38 if the Pats hand't taken him at 37, anyway.

But just for the sake of discussion during this boring time, what would a tradeup into the 40s have looked like for Buffalo?

 

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

By "this board", you mean you, yourself, right? YOU would have blown a gasket. Just be honest.

No, I think McBeane deserves the benefit of the doubt, no matter who they draft, but if you read the posts of other board members, they wouldn’t have been too happy if the Bills picked Dugger.

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

1. You can only buy the argument if they put positional need over player grade?

2. Yes, they were going to take Dugger

3. I believe you mean “moot”

You can (and should) believe Kirby. If he says he knows then he knows.

Sorry, autocorrect. ?

 

I’m sure Kirby knows what he is talking about, but only Beane and McDermott know the whole truth.

[Back2Buff]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Kirby is not Beane. We all know that. But he isnt that far removed from him either. Leave it at that.

 

If that is the case, Beane would have put a stop to Kirby a long time ago.  No GM will allow a rat to exist in the building.

 

If a guy is handing out confidential information, he will not be allowed near anything related to the situation.

 

That's just the truth in the matter.  That is some detailed precise information that no one outside the front office should know about and it should not leave the building.

[thebandit27]

If you’re newer to the board then this is worth repeating:

 

There are absolutely, definitely posters on this board that have insight into what the front office is doing and thinking. It has been proven on many occasions.

 

Sometimes they “report” such things in subtle ways, but if you’re paying attention you notice.
 

Also, not everything that is inside info comes out on this board—a LOT of it gets communicated via PM. That way if (and when) something doesn’t happen people don’t lose their minds. Perfect example is the AJ Green trade that came surprisingly close to happening at last year’s deadline.

[Gugny]

16 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Anyone that talks with this much conviction you just can't believe. 

 

This regime is as tight lipped as I have ever seen, I just don't see some random guy knowing all this information.

 

Kirby's not just some random guy.  He's not in the business of rumor spreading.  If he's saying it with conviction, believe it.

[Stanley Lombardi]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's because you are new to the board and don't know Kirby.

 

I don't know Kirby, but I know that Kirby doesn't know Jack.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

 

If that is the case, Beane would have put a stop to Kirby a long time ago.  No GM will allow a rat to exist in the building.

 

If a guy is handing out confidential information, he will not be allowed near anything related to the situation.

 

That's just the truth in the matter.  That is some detailed precise information that no one outside the front office should know about and it should not leave the building.

 

You're taking this to too far an extreme. Folks talk. Especially around Buffalo where everyone is only 2 degrees of separation. Even closer for those that have worked in professional sports. Go re-read the thread and the nature of the posts. I've already spoken on Kirby's behalf too much. Go Bills!

 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t know how much you trust my info but I have a text that I sent to my dad and brother at 5:39 on Friday after receiving a text saying Dugger. If I can figure out how to shrink it down I’ll attach it.
 

 

I definitely do and am curious

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I can confirm this one too. Dugger was the guy. They had even talked about trading up for him.

 

This was a weird year for the usually airtight Bills. The virtual draft had more info slipping out than usual. Additionally, they tried to trade up for Duvernay. 

 

When you say he was the guy Kirbs...... do you mean he was the guy they had zeroed in on as being most likely available at their spot pre-draft who they wanted? I mean when you first pick is at #54 that is a pretty big set of assumptions because who knows who falls or whatever. Or are you saying you have information that if Dugger had been there and the rest of the board fell exactly as it did (with let's say Jeremy Chinn as the Pats pick) then he would have been the pick over AJ?