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1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:


 

Yes and they were heavily criticized in 2005 for drafting Rodgers with Favre still under contract.  Looking at 2005 draft grades - lots of C-, D’s, and even Fs, but when you look 5 years out - that draft in 2005 is now all A’s and one of the best drafts of the year.

 

Did it hurt GB in the short term - maybe, but Rodgers won them a Super Bowl and has made them relevant for over an additional 10 years. This pick is no different - if Love works out they are brilliant and if he fails - they still have time to find another QB before Rodgers retires.  The timing is perfect and it is exactly what GB should be doing.

Of course this pick is different.  And even if Love works out it won't be for 2020.  Horrible draft and I believe people will pay down the road for it.

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2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

The pick is controversial because they are a contending team that could have done improvements for next season and been a contender.  Instead they went with a backup QB and backup RB.  Most people consider them draft losers for a reason.  It has to frustrate the fans and Rodgers not to see the FO improve that receiving core.

Exactly. Dumb pick. But hey, not my team ha ha

 

It seems Rodgers is a diva and all that, but dude is still among the very best QBs. Give him weapons instead.

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10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Favre had a really good season in 2004, and IMHO better than his 2003 season when he made the Pro Bowl.

Rogers was drafted in 2005.  Farve's 2005 season was garbage.  I know they drafted Rogers after Farve's 2004 season but that's not what I said.

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I would t be surprised if Green Bay does to him what they did to Favre, especially if they see Love developing  quickly which I don’t see happening. But Green Bay has always been known for this. Drafting QBs every year while they have a franchise guy or a veteran starter in place. Both Miami and Buffalo of 25+ years ago were more family

oriented teams and in a lot of ways over kept their starting QBS and yes we way over kept Kelly. The wheels were falling off in 1994 and he regressed in both 95 and 96. Marino was obviously at the end of his career under the Jimmy Johnson era, but both teams respectfully over kept their starters and didn’t develop anyone else cause they thought their guys would last more years than they did. Green Bay runs their ship like a ruthless business, once they see the wheels falling or that you near the end of your career they immediately draft your replacement and ship you out as soon as the rookie is ready to play

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2 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

Zero chance. His contract makes him untradeable 

If Rodgers wants out, he'll renegotiate a favorable contract.  And if I was him, I could see a nice three or four years with the Chargers in his home state.

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Getting a WR in FA would have been a better route.  A draft pick can/will take time to develop, time Rodgers doesn't have.  But all they signed was Devin Funchess and 36 year old Marcedes Lewis.

I agree with you.  IMO the better use of the draft picks would have been on Hopkins.

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7 minutes ago, T master said:

Looks as if history could repeat itself in GB !! ?

Doubt it, the difference between Rodgers and Love is that Back in 05 Rodgers was being talked about as being the 1st overall pick and for some reason he ended up falling. Love has never been regarded as a first overall pick and not even a first round pick for that matter. A lot of red flags and question marks on love. Biggest one is his arm,

a lot of experts and analysts talked about him not having an NFL arm and has questionable footwork and doesn’t go through his progressions on reading Defenses properly. He’s a big project that might not pan out to being anything more than that. Rodgers was never considered a project, I knew that guy was gonna be a star no matter what team he landed with. Buffalo should’ve pulled the trigger and ***** canned Losman quicker

3 minutes ago, yungmack said:

If Rodgers wants out, he'll renegotiate a favorable contract.  And if I was him, I could see a nice three or four years with the Chargers in his home state.

I say the 49ers. He’s from the Bay Area and 49ers tried to get Brady before the Bucs got him, which tells me they don’t have a lot of faith in Garoppolo

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Aaron Rodgers at 36 isn't Aaron Rodgers at 26. He has a propensity to get hurt more and while he still has a lot of ability, running the complete spread system and letting him sling the rock around doesn't work for 36 year-old Rodgers like it did when Rodgers was 26. It's perfectly normal for Rodgers not to be able to see this.

 

Green Bay saw this and hired LaFleur to help Rodgers by improving the defense and improving the rushing attack, which are exactly the right ways to extend the career of a good QB who is aging. It helped them to the tune of 7 more wins and a conference title appearance with virtually no change in Rodgers' performance as a passer. Their offensive line and defense are good, and I'd expect Green Bay to continue to be one of the best teams in the conference as long as Rodgers doesn't decline. Yes, they could use a receiver, but reports of their demise are exaggerated here.

 

Green Bay took Love because that's where they felt the value proposition was with their pick. The top 6 Wide Receivers were off the board, the run on Offensive linemen and defensive backs was already done, and this wasn't a great class for Tight Ends or Defensive Linemen. Green Bay also has the organizational stability to take a long-term view on the draft sometimes, which is why they've been able to contend consistently for such a long time. Given the choice between reaching for a 2nd round receiver and taking a shot at a first round QB prospect, I get why they'd take Love in that spot.

 

All that said, I really don't understand Green Bay taking a RB in the second round.

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5 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Rogers was drafted in 2005.  Farve's 2005 season was garbage.  I know they drafted Rogers after Farve's 2004 season but that's not what I said.

 

Sorry, thought you said "year before."  But maybe Rodgers falls off a cliff this year?

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1 minute ago, y2zipper said:

Aaron Rodgers at 36 isn't Aaron Rodgers at 26. He has a propensity to get hurt more and while he still has a lot of ability, running the complete spread system and letting him sling the rock around doesn't work for 36 year-old Rodgers like it did when Rodgers was 26. It's perfectly normal for Rodgers not to be able to see this.

 

Green Bay saw this and hired LaFleur to help Rodgers by improving the defense and improving the rushing attack, which are exactly the right ways to extend the career of a good QB who is aging. It helped them to the tune of 7 more wins and a conference title appearance with virtually no change in Rodgers' performance as a passer. Their offensive line and defense are good, and I'd expect Green Bay to continue to be one of the best teams in the conference as long as Rodgers doesn't decline. Yes, they could use a receiver, but reports of their demise are exaggerated here.

 

Green Bay took Love because that's where they felt the value proposition was with their pick. The top 6 Wide Receivers were off the board, the run on Offensive linemen and defensive backs was already done, and this wasn't a great class for Tight Ends or Defensive Linemen. Green Bay also has the organizational stability to take a long-term view on the draft sometimes, which is why they've been able to contend consistently for such a long time. Given the choice between reaching for a 2nd round receiver and taking a shot at a first round QB prospect, I get why they'd take Love in that spot.

 

All that said, I really don't understand Green Bay taking a RB in the second round.

He’s never really had a decent RB most of his career. So it makes sense to get him a running game especially at his age

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I don't believe he is done but the career clock in GB has been started to run down.  In some quarters, it is believed that he is a hard guy to get along with.  If that is true, maybe the front office has decided that enough is enough.  His contract makes a trade virtually impossible; so he is not going anywhere.  Their plan appears to move the focus of the offense away from Rodgers.  IMHO the unfettered, throw the ball all over the field days in GB are probably gone.  I also think that the GB front office wasted a bunch of good years for both Rodgers and Favre by not putting great talent around them.  For many years they refused to improve their roster with free agents.  In spite of this, they had some great seasons but they missed out on quite a few others.  Rodgers isn't done yet but it is not likely that we will get to see the "old" Rodgers that we enjoyed watching in the past.

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51 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

I don't believe he is done but the career clock in GB has been started to run down.  In some quarters, it is believed that he is a hard guy to get along with.  If that is true, maybe the front office has decided that enough is enough.  His contract makes a trade virtually impossible; so he is not going anywhere.  Their plan appears to move the focus of the offense away from Rodgers.  IMHO the unfettered, throw the ball all over the field days in GB are probably gone.  I also think that the GB front office wasted a bunch of good years for both Rodgers and Favre by not putting great talent around them.  For many years they refused to improve their roster with free agents.  In spite of this, they had some great seasons but they missed out on quite a few others.  Rodgers isn't done yet but it is not likely that we will get to see the "old" Rodgers that we enjoyed watching in the past.

Green Bay has always been known as a cheap franchise that doesn’t like paying players in free agency, they’ve always been about retaining their own

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6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why is this pick so difficult for so man to understand.  He's not done, but he's pretty close.  Why not draft his replacement now? Isn't that the smarter way to do it?

 

When you have one of the greatest QBs to play the game on your roster you should be doing everything possible to win a Super Bowl while he's still in his prime. Not planning for his retirement. It's far more likely they win a Super Bowl with Rodgers in the next 3 years than they are to ever win a Super Bowl with Love on the team. They wasted a 1st round pick on a player that doesn't help them in their Super Bowl window. Plus the rest of their draft was god awful.

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4 hours ago, Lurker said:

IMO, he's got at least two more years there, simply based on the immovability of his contract...

 

Yea, well contracts can be renegotiated and he could end up in New England.

Will that happen, lets hope not

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5 hours ago, Gordio said:

 

 

This is exactly right.  The Pack are being proactive with their QB situation the same way when they drafted Rodgers.  Unless injury, Love won't see the field until year 3.  He is a project.  Rodgers cap ramifications if the Pack decided to get rid of Rodgers these next two years is huge.  My guess is AR has two more years in GB & I doubt he helps Love much, kind of the same way Favre really didn't help him.

 

Exactly. I don't see Rodgers's current trajectory having as the starter beyond the next 2 seasons.

 

If Rodgers hangs it up in a year or 2, how good is their draft pick going to be to suddenly find his replacement? 

 

4 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

The pick is controversial because they are a contending team that could have done improvements for next season and been a contender.  Instead they went with a backup QB and backup RB.  Most people consider them draft losers for a reason.  It has to frustrate the fans and Rodgers not to see the FO improve that receiving core.

 

Could have been a contender?? They won 13 games and again won the division.  They went to the conference championship.  They weren't a rookie WR short of the SB....

 

3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

They drafted RB, TE and three offensive linemen. And they have Favante Adam's who caught 83 balls for just under 1000 yards in 12 games.

Maybe they were thinking there are other ways to help Aaron.

 

Exactly.

 

3 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Terrible move. No reason to draft Love this year. Favre fell off a cliff the year they drafted Rogers.  I don't see Rogers doing that for at least 3-4 years.  Grab a guy in the 3rd or 4th every year and see if you can develop someone.  Grabbing a backup Qb after you just went 13-3, insane.

 

Huh?

 

2 years after Rodgers was drafted Favre was a Pro Bowl QB again.  And again the following year (Jets) and the year after that (with Vikings).  In fact, in his 19th year, he was better than Rodgers was last year.

 

Rodgers is already slowing down.  He went from 45, 39, 38, 31, 40 TD seasons to 25 and 26.

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

When you have one of the greatest QBs to play the game on your roster you should be doing everything possible to win a Super Bowl while he's still in his prime. Not planning for his retirement. It's far more likely they win a Super Bowl with Rodgers in the next 3 years than they are to ever win a Super Bowl with Love on the team. They wasted a 1st round pick on a player that doesn't help them in their Super Bowl window. Plus the rest of their draft was god awful.

 

They were in the NFCC game last year and got blown out because their D gave up 37 points to Jimmy G.

 

Was Tee Higgins really going to get them a SB ring this year?  What draft pick was going to make their odds of even returning to the NFCC game this better than last year?

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3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

They were in the NFCC game last year and got blown out because their D gave up 37 points to Jimmy G.

 

I'm not saying they had to reach for a WR but the last thing they needed was a QB. They're in their window now. AJ Dillon in the 2nd round was just as bad. Really a bizarre draft class for a team with Aaron Rodgers.

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6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why is this pick so difficult for so man to understand.  He's not done, but he's pretty close.  Why not draft his replacement now? Isn't that the smarter way to do it?

The only way it makes sense is if they thought Love was a once in a generation prospect.  Rodgers has four years left on his contract and they'd have to wait until after the 2022 season if they don't want to swallow a ton of dead money.  They were one win from the Superbowl and they could've used that pick to address their offensive line or provide Rodgers with a #2 WR opposite Devante Adams in a WR rich draft.  On top of that they gave up a 4th round pick to move up fro Love and drafted a RB.  This is the kind of draft that would make more sense next year at the earliest.

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10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Huh?

 

2 years after Rodgers was drafted Favre was a Pro Bowl QB again.  And again the following year (Jets) and the year after that (with Vikings).  In fact, in his 19th year, he was better than Rodgers was last year.

 

Rodgers is already slowing down.  He went from 45, 39, 38, 31, 40 TD seasons to 25 and 26.

 

 

 

Brett Farve

2004: 30 TDs 17 ints 92.4 Qb rating

2005: 20 TDs  29 ints (career high)  70.9 qb rating   

 

If that's not falling off a cliff, I don't know what is. 

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13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Could have been a contender?? They won 13 games and again won the division.  They went to the conference championship.  They weren't a rookie WR short of the SB....

 

Yes, the Packers had a good season last year, over-acheived IMO.  And while you may not think a rookie WR would get them over the hump, no one thinks a backup QB will.  I, along with most people (and probably Vegas), think the Pack will have a worse season next year.  And if I were a fan I would not like it.

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Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not saying they had to reach for a WR but the last thing they needed was a QB. They're in their window now. AJ Dillon in the 2nd round was just as bad. Really a bizarre draft class for a team with Aaron Rodgers.

 

If not WR, then what?  Who would have put them over the top?  This team has had 10 years to get Rodgers back to the SB---and he was a lot better 4-6 years ago.

 

This may be the best opportunity to draft a QB they have until Rodgers walks away.  He's on his last legs.  why not have a guy they "love" all ready to go?  This is how Rodgers got on the Packers. 

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4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Getting a WR in FA would have been a better route.  A draft pick can/will take time to develop, time Rodgers doesn't have.  But all they signed was Devin Funchess and 36 year old Marcedes Lewis.

GB has invested heavily in WRs in prior years

my guess is GB thinks those WRs are good enough, since they did win 13 games last year.

The problem is Rodgers won't throw them the ball anyway - his reads stop at Davante Adams

 

The new GB coaching staff is going to take back this team

Rodgers has been put on notice to get with the program and run the offense as designed

They are not going to tie their careers to an aging prima donna and his free lancing ways

If he plays within the system, he will play for 2 more years.

If he does his own thing, you will see Love much earlier than expected.

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Yes, the Packers had a good season last year, over-acheived IMO.  And while you may not think a rookie WR would get them over the hump, no one thinks a backup QB will.  I, along with most people (and probably Vegas), think the Pack will have a worse season next year.  And if I were a fan I would not like it.

 

Exactly--they overachieved.  This year's draft pick would not have made them a lock to get even as far as they got last year. When Rodgers walks away in a year or 2, or suffers another significant injury, Packers fans won't be crying as hard. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Brett Farve

2004: 30 TDs 17 ints 92.4 Qb rating

2005: 20 TDs  29 ints (career high)  70.9 qb rating   

 

If that's not falling off a cliff, I don't know what is. 


Yet he followed that up with 3 straight ProBowl trips (GB, NYJ, and Minn), his 3 highest years of completion percentage of his career, over 4100 yards his last year in GB and a 13-3 record with a 95.7 qb rating.
 

I would love for our QB to fall off that cliff.

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, spartacus said:

GB has invested heavily in WRs in prior years

my guess is GB thinks those WRs are good enough, since they did win 13 games last year.

The problem is Rodgers won't throw them the ball anyway - his reads stop at Davante Adams

 

The new GB coaching staff is going to take back this team

Rodgers has been put on notice to get with the program and run the offense as designed

They are not going to tie their careers to an aging prima donna and his free lancing ways

If he plays within the system, he will play for 2 more years.

If he does his own thing, you will see Love much earlier than expected.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with this.  It is the most obvious actual scenario as far as the Packers are concerned.

13 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Brett Farve

2004: 30 TDs 17 ints 92.4 Qb rating

2005: 20 TDs  29 ints (career high)  70.9 qb rating   

 

If that's not falling off a cliff, I don't know what is

 

2007 rating 95.7/4155 yards/28 TD/15 int

 

2009: 107.2 rating/4202/33/7

 

It's confirmed: you don't know what "falling off a cliff" is.

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8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Exactly--they overachieved.  This year's draft pick would not have made them a lock to get even as far as they got last year. When Rodgers walks away in a year or 2, or suffers another significant injury, Packers fans won't be crying as hard. 

 

 

No, they weren't going to be a lock, but what they could have had was hope.  They don't have that now, a backup QB as your top pick is painful.

And the idea that Love is going to stop Packer fans from crying in the future seems pretty far-fetched to me.

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4 hours ago, eball said:

 

It is far from an "absolute" scenario.  This is a "win now" league...and the situation under which Rodgers was still available in 2005 when the Packers drafted is much different than what transpired last week.  The Packers have holes -- particularly in the "playmaker" category -- and ignored them to draft a project QB.

 

It seems LaFleur is proving to be yet another power freak who will do it "his way" even though he has a HOF QB on his roster and a window to compete for Super Bowls.

 

When you plan for 3-4 years ahead in this league at the expense of doing what you can to win now -- particularly with a guy like Rodgers behind center -- it's not a particularly smart move.

 

Now, if LaFleur and the GM have analyzed their roster and don't think they could do enough with Rodgers to truly compete in 2020?  That's something completely different.

 

If Love turns out to be really good in 3-4 years people will look back and say how great it was for GB to take a chance on him...but if they've pissed away a shot at a SB title this year or next because of it I don't think you can say it was necessarily the right decision.

 

 


 

The league is no more win now than it was in 2005 when they made the Rodgers choice.  That choice lead to a Super Bowl win.

 

Yes they have holes, but what player at that point (late 1st round) pushes them to the Super Bowl?  They made a choice that they think they are competitive with Rodgers and a QB they liked fell to them much like Rodgers did in 2005.  
 

They had a choice in 2005 - load up for 1 more run or begin thinking about the future while maintaining a winning team.  They chose to look to the future and that gave them another Super Bowl win and 15 more years of sustained success.  
 

GB just chose to repeat that scenario and if I works they might have another decade and a half of success and that is worth way more than the 7th or 8th best WR was going to give them.

 

Interestingly - this is also the choice KC made with a successful QB that had lead them deep in the playoffs and then they decided to draft Mahomes.  Many thought they would be better getting some other piece to help propel them during their window and they chose to see if they could get better at a key position to drive them forward for another 2 decades.

 

Now - I think a bunch of the rest of the draft stunk - so who knows if Love is any good- they seemed to reach for a lot of other picks and that pick might be no different, but I get why they took the shot.  The shot with Rodgers worked out well for GB and they would like to repeat that success and longevity.

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1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said:

No, they weren't going to be a lock, but what they could have had was hope.  They don't have that now, a backup QB as your top pick is painful.

And the idea that Love is going to stop Packer fans from crying in the future seems pretty far-fetched to me.

 

Pretty far fetched, you say?

 

The 2005 Packers were coming off of a 10-6 season and won the division the season and got bounced in the Wild Card game.  What do the Packers do the next draft to "put them over the top"?

 

They draft Favre's down the road replacement in the 1st round.  They didn't seem to mind how that turned out.

 

The head scratching over this pick would be a tiny less goofy …...if this very team had not done the same thing in the past.

 

These takes are nuts.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Pretty far fetched, you say?

 

The 2005 Packers were coming off of a 10-6 season and won the division the season and got bounced in the Wild Card game.  What do the Packers do the next draft to "put them over the top"?

 

They draft Favre's down the road replacement in the 1st round.  They didn't seem to mind how that turned out.

 

The head scratching over this pick would be a tiny less goofy …...if this very team had not done the same thing in the past.

 

These takes are nuts.

 

 

I would love to know what late first round player prevents GB from getting their teeth kicked in and embarrassed by the 49ers. What mythical rookie player is stopping the 49ers from rushing for 300 yards?

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30 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Yes, the Packers had a good season last year, over-acheived IMO.  And while you may not think a rookie WR would get them over the hump, no one thinks a backup QB will.  I, along with most people (and probably Vegas), think the Pack will have a worse season next year.  And if I were a fan I would not like it.


 

The pack may have a worse year, but how do the fans in KC feel after they drafted a QB when they were still in the “window”.

 

KC had won more than 10 games 4 out of 5 years with Smith, he was consistently getting better - including have his best season ever the year they drafted Mahomes.  They made a choice of a QB - when many thought another stud defender could push them to the top.  That decision worked out and many fans were not happy at first, but winning fixes everything.

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I would love to know what late first round player prevents GB from getting their teeth kicked in and embarrassed by the 49ers. What mythical rookie player is stopping the 49ers from rushing for 300 yards?


 

Pretty sure that is what he was saying.  
 

What player pushes them over the edge - none - so why is everyone fired up that a potential replacement 3-4 years down the road is so bad.  

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3 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:


 

The pack may have a worse year, but how do the fans in KC feel after they drafted a QB when they were still in the “window”.

 

KC had won more than 10 games 4 out of 5 years with Smith, he was consistently getting better - including have his best season ever the year they drafted Mahomes.  They made a choice of a QB - when many thought another stud defender could push them to the top.  That decision worked out and many fans were not happy at first, but winning fixes everything.

Are you seriously trying to compare Alex Smith to Aaron Rodgers?  Come on man.  Then you follow that up trying to compare Love to Mahomes?  My god.

 

For KC to get over the hump they needed to improve at QB and they did.  Green Bay needs some WRs, and what did they do?

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42 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The only way it makes sense is if they thought Love was a once in a generation prospect.  Rodgers has four years left on his contract and they'd have to wait until after the 2022 season if they don't want to swallow a ton of dead money.  They were one win from the Superbowl and they could've used that pick to address their offensive line or provide Rodgers with a #2 WR opposite Devante Adams in a WR rich draft.  On top of that they gave up a 4th round pick to move up fro Love and drafted a RB.  This is the kind of draft that would make more sense next year at the earliest.


 

I understand, but why is it different than with Favre?  He had 4 years left on his contract when they drafted Rodgers.  They let Favre play 3 more years and then moved him to the NYJs using their control on the contract.  That gave Rodgers years to get ready and allowed them to have some control over where Favre ended up.

 

I can see this playing out the same - Rodgers really can’t be moved for at minimum 2 years and probably 3 - so you have time to see if Love can be the guy - if not you take another shot.  If he seems to progress - then you have the ability to move Rodgers to an AFC team after 3 years and recoup something.  If he does not progress you have the 2022 draft to try again.

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