Rodgers in GB ( old article)

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

In 2005, the Packers weren't a game away from the SB.  They had just lost badly to the hated division-rival Vikings in a wildcard game at home.  And Favre had taken a beating over his career, having played mostly during the era where they didn't protect QB's and didn't last as long as they do now.

 

Errr.... who has missed more games injured? Brett or Aaron? 

[spartacus]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

The discussion isn’t just about the Love pick.

 

I was discussing Rodgers’ future in GB....you know, the title of the thread?

 

i was talking about how Gb was one win away from making the SB and with a good offseason, adding the proper prices, they could be a super bowl team.  

a good offseason includes multiple draft picks and free agents. Not one pick.  

The bolded:  you’re talking about make believe.  Things that you have no idea about but talking like you KNOW what will happen.  You absolutely do not.  

 

the one thing that we DO know.  Jordan Love sitting on the sideline will not help the 2020 packers win a super bowl.
 

not sure why I even quoted you.  Same ****, different day.  you making up stuff as if it’s a science you speak of.

why is it pre-ordained that GB will replicate the success from last year

they hit lightning in a bottle

 

look at Jax for a comparable

so close to a Superbowl

they believed and re-signed Bortles

have not come close to winning again, let alone the Superbowl

 

The mgmt team has a plan "process" which Rodgers does not seem to buy into

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

From what I gather, ARod has a roster bonus of $6.8M due on the 3rd league year in 2021, which is somewhere in March.  If they wait until June 1st to cut/trade him, sure they can spread out the $31.556M dead cap/bonus hit, but that's another $6.8M on their books for 2021, pushing it to $14.3M.  And since his salary in 2021 in $14.7M, they're saving around $500K, not $22M. 

 

He could very well force their hand to trade/release him.  Depends on how he wants to play it.

 

 

 

His cap hit in 2021 is $36M. His dead cap if traded post 6/1 is $14.3M. Thus, $22M in savings. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/

[Mr. WEO]

24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So they were so thoroughly out-classed by the 49'ers that they...decided to give up and draft a project QB who won't help them for at least 2 years?  LOL!  If that's the case, they should have traded whoever they could and start all over with that brilliant logic.

 

 

Mock drafts are worthless for predicting anything after the 1st round, never mind the 5th round.  The point in mentioning this was to say that no one was calling for the Packers to draft a QB in the 1st round, which is entirely different from taking a backup QB in the 5th round.

 

 

Yeah they can't trade him for 2 years because of the cap hit, as I've repeatedly said.  The question is whether ARod plays good soldier or not over the next 2 seasons.

 

NE got bounced by the Broncos in 2013 .  Did they draft a WR to beef up the receiver room of Edelman, Amandola, Dobson and Tompkins?  No, they drafted their future QB.

 

"Project QB"?  He was scouted far better than Rodgers.  And for the record, they "traded up" 30 to 26 and it cost them a 4th to get the guy who was variously mocked to Miami, Baltimore and LAC far upstream.

 

But I get it, you and others think the Packers are very close to the SB right now.  We will see pretty soon if that is true.  I'm comfortable saying they won't win 13 games this season. You feel they should be as successful as they were last season.

 

We shall see.

 

 

 

[Gugny]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29113844/brett-favre-says-thinks-aaron-rodgers-finish-career-packers

 

Favre fanning the flames!!!  I love it!!!!

 

Favre said he's talked with Rodgers since the Packers traded up four spots to pick Love at No. 26 on Thursday.

"I'm not going to talk about all that we talked about, but he was ... let's just say surprised that they went in that direction," Favre said.

 

"I'm not surprised that he reached out to Jordan, being in a similar situation himself 15 years ago," Favre said. "And we had a great relationship in spite of -- I wouldn't say it took a turn for the worst when I left, but he was basically caught up in the middle of a hornet's nest, if you will. I don't foresee that happening here. I think Aaron will do whatever. It's not his job to mentor Jordan Love.

 

"This discussion went on when I left Green Bay. It's not the head guy's job to mentor the next guy. That guy's ultimately there to take your spot. Now, if Jordan were to ask, 'Can I watch extra film with you?' I would be shocked if Aaron said no. I think he would go over and beyond to help, but he's not going to go out of his way, and I can't blame him."

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

In 2005, the Packers weren't a game away from the SB.  They had just lost badly to the hated division-rival Vikings in a wildcard game at home.  And Favre had taken a beating over his career, having played mostly during the era where they didn't protect QB's and didn't last as long as they do now.

 

LOL Favre was the all time iron man in the NFL.  297 starts is a record that will never be broken.  321 total starts won't either.

 

This has to be the silliest comment on this you've made yet....and that's an accomplishment!

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29113844/brett-favre-says-thinks-aaron-rodgers-finish-career-packers

 

Favre fanning the flames!!!  I love it!!!!

 

Favre said he's talked with Rodgers since the Packers traded up four spots to pick Love at No. 26 on Thursday.

"I'm not going to talk about all that we talked about, but he was ... let's just say surprised that they went in that direction," Favre said.

 

"I'm not surprised that he reached out to Jordan, being in a similar situation himself 15 years ago," Favre said. "And we had a great relationship in spite of -- I wouldn't say it took a turn for the worst when I left, but he was basically caught up in the middle of a hornet's nest, if you will. I don't foresee that happening here. I think Aaron will do whatever. It's not his job to mentor Jordan Love.

 

"This discussion went on when I left Green Bay. It's not the head guy's job to mentor the next guy. That guy's ultimately there to take your spot. Now, if Jordan were to ask, 'Can I watch extra film with you?' I would be shocked if Aaron said no. I think he would go over and beyond to help, but he's not going to go out of his way, and I can't blame him."

 

This will come as a surprise to a lot of posters here who still believe in this sort of thing for some reason.

[Mr. WEO]

29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He had 4,000 yards, 26 tds, 4 ints with Lazard as his second leading receiver in a “bad year.”  What qb besides maybe Mahomes is going better with that group?

There is talk that the Jimmy G stuff lead to a a divide between Brady and Belichick.  

Brady made a career out of it.

 

And no doubt Brady looked sideways at the Jimmy pick....but, so what?  They had to draft the next guy at some point. 

[Gugny]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

This will come as a surprise to a lot of posters here who still believe in this sort of thing for some reason.

 

It's shocking how Curtis Painter ended up so damn good!

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Nope, no way.  That’s because the dead cap for trading him after this season would be $31.6M.  Two more seasons would make it $17.2M.  And then under $3M after three more.  So unless Rodgers forces a trade they don’t have to be in a hurry to do anything.  Rodgers sat for 3 seasons while Favre was the starter and I expect Love to do the same.  At minimum it’ll be two, but probably three.

 

I don’t even know that Love will work out at all as a starter in the NFL, but if he does it won’t be replacing Aaron freaking Rodgers next season unless things have really gone off the rails up there in Green Bay. 

Scenario 2: Trading/Cutting Rodgers in early 2021

Things get a little more interesting next season. Rodgers counts for $36.35 million on the salary cap while playing on a $22 million salary. Rodgers also has a $6.8 million roster bonus that is due by the third day of free agency so any move would need to be made before that. It basically gives them an official two day window to execute a trade. This is still not a cheap option. Both moves would cost the team $31.556 million in cap dollars though that would free up around $4.8 million in cap space. If they wait until after the roster bonus is paid however the dead money jumps by $6.8M meaning he will remain on the team.  If the NFL is seriously impacted by the Covid-19 outbreak there may be some logic in freeing up cap room and bailing on a high salary for the year, though you would think QB would be the last position teams look at for that.  Provided teams do not get into a cost protection mode next year Rodgers would definitely have big trade value because his salary average is currently at $24.3M for the three years. This is likely the optimum trade year for the Packers but the cost is high so they would need to be blown away by an offer.

 

https://overthecap.com/the-packers-options-with-aaron-rodgers/

 

 

Rodgers is not Lafleur's guy.  He doesn't fit his system, and there is no reason to MOVE UP in the draft to grab a QB in the first if you plan on keeping Rodgers around for the next 3 years. 

 

Rodgers's hanging on the bench for years back in the day doesnt happen in today's NFL.  1st round picks are off the bench within a year.  No first round pick is sitting the bench for 3 years in today's NFL, let alone a guy you traded up for.

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by TwistofFate

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, spartacus said:

why is it pre-ordained that GB will replicate the success from last year

they hit lightning in a bottle

 

look at Jax for a comparable

so close to a Superbowl

they believed and re-signed Bortles

have not come close to winning again, let alone the Superbowl

 

The mgmt team has a plan "process" which Rodgers does not seem to buy into

Why is a given that they hit lightning in a bottle?  Look for Jacksonville?  They had Blake Bortles.  The packers have one of the greatest qbs of all time.

 

this my last post in this thread.
 

Some here prefer to give up on the next couple years with aaron Rodgers as their QB and build for the future.  That’s fine.  
 

I’d prefer to do my best to win another super bowl with aaron Rodgers as my QB.  
 

It’s my belief that aaron Rodgers now >>> jordan Love at his best ever.  
 

If the coach/gm don’t like Rodgers and want to move on, so be it.  They got gifted one of the best QBs ever.  And they chose Jordan Love.  Eager to see how long it takes them to win a SB

 

 

[Doc]

50 minutes ago, FireChans said:

His cap hit in 2021 is $36M. His dead cap if traded post 6/1 is $14.3M. Thus, $22M in savings. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/

 

I think I see the discrepancy. They're figuring he's traded prior to the 3rd day of the league year, somewhere in March, and given a post-June 1st designation.  Will they be able to do that is the question?

 

49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

NE got bounced by the Broncos in 2013 .  Did they draft a WR to beef up the receiver room of Edelman, Amandola, Dobson and Tompkins?  No, they drafted their future QB.

 

"Project QB"?  He was scouted far better than Rodgers.  And for the record, they "traded up" 30 to 26 and it cost them a 4th to get the guy who was variously mocked to Miami, Baltimore and LAC far upstream.

 

But I get it, you and others think the Packers are very close to the SB right now.  We will see pretty soon if that is true.  I'm comfortable saying they won't win 13 games this season. You feel they should be as successful as they were last season.

 

We shall see.

 

44 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

LOL Favre was the all time iron man in the NFL.  297 starts is a record that will never be broken.  321 total starts won't either.

 

This has to be the silliest comment on this you've made yet....and that's an accomplishment!

 

Yeah, the Packers are the Cheaters.  OK.  Never mind that Brady was the same age as ARod back then, coming off a similar season production-wise, but ARod is done.  Great logic, as always.  What you fail to realize is that drafting Jimmy G was a waste because Brady wasn't done and they had to trade him away, and are now looking for another QB.

 

And yes, throwing for 20 TDs and 17 INTs in the powerhouse Mountain West Conference isn't the sign of a project QB.

 

Silly?  Nothing can top your "Diggs isn't a top-10 receiver because I don't think he'd have gotten x yards in his last game or because 3 guys in 2015..."  Never mind the "Singletary is a fumbler...fumbles are over blown."

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I think I see the discrepancy. They're figuring he's traded prior to the 3rd day of the league year, somewhere in March, and given a post-June 1st designation.  Will they be able to do that is the question?

 

 

 

Yeah, the Packers are the Cheaters.  OK.  Never mind that Brady was the same age as ARod back then, coming off a similar season production-wise, but ARod is done.  Great logic, as always.  What you fail to realize is that drafting Jimmy G was a waste because Brady wasn't done and they had to trade him away, and are now looking for another QB.

 

And yes, throwing for 20 TDs and 17 INTs in the powerhouse Mountain West Conference isn't the sign of a project QB.

 

Silly?  Nothing can top your "Diggs isn't a top-10 receiver because I don't think he'd have gotten x yards in his last game or because 3 guys in 2015..."  Never mind the "Singletary is a fumbler...fumbles are over blown."

I think that bonus is still paid if he is traded post June 1 and it’s included in his cap hit.

 

The “early” designation is for cutting only I believe, and exists solely for teams to be able to spread out cap hits.

Edited April 29, 2020 by FireChans

[Doc]

Just now, FireChans said:

I think that bonus is still paid if he is traded post June 1 and it’s included in his cap hit.

 

Yes, which is why I said they would need to cut/trade him prior to the 3rd league day but with a post-June 1st designation.  If they actually wait until after June 1st, then they have to pay that roster bonus and probably his workout bonus, making his dead cap almost $22M and they lose $7M in cap room.

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yes, which is why I said they would need to cut/trade him prior to the 3rd league day but with a post-June 1st designation.  If they actually wait until after June 1st, then they have to pay that roster bonus and probably his workout bonus, making his dead cap almost $22M and they lose $7M in cap room.

If that was the case, then why does Sporttrac say that cutting him with a post 6/1 designation is the same as trading him? AFAIK, you can’t make “post 6/1” trade designations.

 

If his dead cap is $22M, they are still saving $14M in space by getting rid of him. Because his total hit is $36M in 2021.

Edited April 29, 2020 by FireChans

[Doc]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

If that was the case, then why does Sporttrac say that cutting him with a post 6/1 designation is the same as trading him? AFAIK, you can’t make “post 6/1” trade designations.

 

True, there is no post-June 1st trade designation, just cut.  Meaning they'd get nothing for losing him and he'd be free to sign anywhere.

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I think I see the discrepancy. They're figuring he's traded prior to the 3rd day of the league year, somewhere in March, and given a post-June 1st designation.  Will they be able to do that is the question?

 

 

 

Yeah, the Packers are the Cheaters.  OK.  Never mind that Brady was the same age as ARod back then, coming off a similar season production-wise, but ARod is done.  Great logic, as always.  What you fail to realize is that drafting Jimmy G was a waste because Brady wasn't done and they had to trade him away, and are now looking for another QB.

 

And yes, throwing for 20 TDs and 17 INTs in the powerhouse Mountain West Conference isn't the sign of a project QB.

 

Silly?  Nothing can top your "Diggs isn't a top-10 receiver because I don't think he'd have gotten x yards in his last game or because 3 guys in 2015..."  Never mind the "Singletary is a fumbler...fumbles are over blown."

 

 

BB thought Brady was nearing expiration, obviously.  And they drafted his replacement.  See how it works?

 

 

Mountain West Project?  Didn't stop the Bills from drafting one of those.  What a disaster----another great point doc!  

 

Singletary is a fumbler--in fact he was the absolute best fumbler in the NFL last year!  But to me it's not a huge problem. Even having the highest rate in the Leaguen had no impact on the Offenses struggles, good or bad.

 

As for Diggs, yeah--it's pretty silly to not give a player credit for amassed yards  which he hasn't earned.  

 

You always leap into every pothole..

 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

True, there is no post-June 1st trade designation, just cut.  Meaning they'd get nothing for losing him and he'd be free to sign anywhere.

I think I’d rather trade Rodgers after 6/1 rather than cut him, even if it accelerates a 2021 hit a little more. But it’s not my money. 

[Doc]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

BB thought Brady was nearing expiration, obviously.  And they drafted his replacement.  See how it works?

 

 

Mountain West Project?  Didn't stop the Bills from drafting one of those.  What a disaster----another great point doc!  

 

Singletary is a fumbler--in fact he was the absolute best fumbler in the NFL last year!  But to me it's not a huge problem. Even having the highest rate in the Leaguen had no impact on the Offenses struggles, good or bad.

 

As for Diggs, yeah--it's pretty silly to not give a player credit for amassed yards  which he hasn't earned.  

 

You always leap into every pothole..

 

BB was wrong.  He should have drafted his replacement a couple years ago.  Are the Packers right or wrong here?  We'll see.

 

Allen was a project.  Is that a revelation to you?  And initially I didn't want him.  I like his potential but he still needs to take the next step.

Yes fumbling isn't an issue.  You shouldn't have bothered to bring it up and make yourself look ridiculous. 

 

And I didn't give Diggs credit for yards he didn't earn.  That's why I said "per game," because you can't amass yards in games you didn't play, or predict how many yards would have been amassed had he played.  Which brought out the laughable "well in 2015..."

[hjnick]

2 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

Scenario 2: Trading/Cutting Rodgers in early 2021

Things get a little more interesting next season. Rodgers counts for $36.35 million on the salary cap while playing on a $22 million salary. Rodgers also has a $6.8 million roster bonus that is due by the third day of free agency so any move would need to be made before that. It basically gives them an official two day window to execute a trade. This is still not a cheap option. Both moves would cost the team $31.556 million in cap dollars though that would free up around $4.8 million in cap space. If they wait until after the roster bonus is paid however the dead money jumps by $6.8M meaning he will remain on the team.  If the NFL is seriously impacted by the Covid-19 outbreak there may be some logic in freeing up cap room and bailing on a high salary for the year, though you would think QB would be the last position teams look at for that.  Provided teams do not get into a cost protection mode next year Rodgers would definitely have big trade value because his salary average is currently at $24.3M for the three years. This is likely the optimum trade year for the Packers but the cost is high so they would need to be blown away by an offer.

 

https://overthecap.com/the-packers-options-with-aaron-rodgers/

 

 

Rodgers is not Lafleur's guy.  He doesn't fit his system, and there is no reason to MOVE UP in the draft to grab a QB in the first if you plan on keeping Rodgers around for the next 3 years. 

 

Rodgers's hanging on the bench for years back in the day doesnt happen in today's NFL.  1st round picks are off the bench within a year.  No first round pick is sitting the bench for 3 years in today's NFL, let alone a guy you traded up for.

 

Wasn't Green Bay 12-4 last year?  If Rodger's isn't Lafleur's type of QB, what kind of QB is he looking for?  thx

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I think I’d rather trade Rodgers after 6/1 rather than cut him, even if it accelerates a 2021 hit a little more. But it’s not my money. 

 

Trying to trade him post-June 1st will be tough.  Most teams have their caps tied-up by then and will find it hard to absorb his $14M salary.  If they're going to get rid of him after next season, they're going to have to cut him on the 1st or 2nd league day and get nothing, not even a comp pick, for him.

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

BB was wrong.  He should have drafted his replacement a couple years ago.  Are the Packers right or wrong here?  We'll see.

 

Allen was a project.  Is that a revelation to you?  And initially I didn't want him.  I like his potential but he still needs to take the next step.

Yes fumbling isn't an issue.  You shouldn't have bothered to bring it up and make yourself look ridiculous. 

 

And I didn't give Diggs credit for yards he didn't earn.  That's why I said "per game," because you can't amass yards in games you didn't play, or predict how many yards would have been amassed had he played.  Which brought out the laughable "well in 2015..."

 

BB was wrong--but not at the time.  And when the Packer fade this season, the Love pick will look better already.

 

Compared to Singletary, Taylor is a fumbling piker, and as such, McD would not be concerned. that was the discussion.

 

Oh yeah...."yards per game".  lol.  But you did give the old "which works out to"...and even threw in some weird nonsense about what he would have done agains Chicago. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Why is a given that they hit lightning in a bottle?  Look for Jacksonville?  They had Blake Bortles.  The packers have one of the greatest qbs of all time.

 

this my last post in this thread.
 

Some here prefer to give up on the next couple years with aaron Rodgers as their QB and build for the future.  That’s fine.  
 

I’d prefer to do my best to win another super bowl with aaron Rodgers as my QB.  
 

It’s my belief that aaron Rodgers now >>> jordan Love at his best ever.  
 

If the coach/gm don’t like Rodgers and want to move on, so be it.  They got gifted one of the best QBs ever.  And they chose Jordan Love.  Eager to see how long it takes them to win a SB

 

 

 

I don't think taking Jordan Love precludes them from that. What player were they getting in the final 6 picks of round 1 who was the difference maker in winning a Superbowl or not? 

 

Nah, in that situation you should always take the Quarterback. If Rodgers were 32 I would agree with you. But at 36 the end could come any time. Manning was done at 39 and declined fast from 38. Rivers is 38 and he looked done last season to me. Brady and Brees have played into their 40s but they are all ball in a way I am not sure Rodgers is or ever has been. In that situation you take the QB. If the Bills were in that place and made that move I would applaud them. 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Trying to trade him post-June 1st will be tough.  Most teams have their caps tied-up by then and will find it hard to absorb his $14M salary.  If they're going to get rid of him after next season, they're going to have to cut him on the 1st or 2nd league day and get nothing, not even a comp pick, for him.

There may be a couple teams that keep some room open if they know Rodgers is going to be on the market come June 1.

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, hjnick said:

Wasn't Green Bay 12-4 last year?  If Rodger's isn't Lafleur's type of QB, what kind of QB is he looking for?  

 

LeFleur wants a Quarterback to run his system. Rodgers for the most part did in 2019 but he did it under duress and in games where the passing game floundered the frustrations showed. I don't think it is that LeFleur doesn't want Rodgers... if anything I suspect if he had his time back Rodgers would veto LeFleur. 

 

I think drafting Love is purely about a chance to take a guy they had a high grade on at the end of the first when their franchise QB is 36 and has been banged up in 2 of the last 3 seasons. It does put Rodgers on the clock but in a world where Love went top 15 as some were predicting I don't think the Packers were suddenly going to take Jacob Eason or Jalen Hurts in the first round. It wasn't we must get a QB it was this is too good of a chance to take a QB we like when our guy is halfway through the back 9. 

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think taking Jordan Love precludes them from that. What player were they getting in the final 6 picks of round 1 who was the difference maker in winning a Superbowl or not? 

 

Nah, in that situation you should always take the Quarterback. If Rodgers were 32 I would agree with you. But at 36 the end could come any time. Manning was done at 39 and declined fast from 38. Rivers is 38 and he looked done last season to me. Brady and Brees have played into their 40s but they are all ball in a way I am not sure Rodgers is or ever has been. In that situation you take the QB. If the Bills were in that place and made that move I would applaud them. 

 

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Why is a given that they hit lightning in a bottle?  Look for Jacksonville?  They had Blake Bortles.  The packers have one of the greatest qbs of all time.

 

this my last post in this thread.
 

Some here prefer to give up on the next couple years with aaron Rodgers as their QB and build for the future.  That’s fine.  
 

I’d prefer to do my best to win another super bowl with aaron Rodgers as my QB.  
 

It’s my belief that aaron Rodgers now >>> jordan Love at his best ever.  
 

If the coach/gm don’t like Rodgers and want to move on, so be it.  They got gifted one of the best QBs ever.  And they chose Jordan Love.  Eager to see how long it takes them to win a SB

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

 

 

 

I wasn't looking for a response. I just continue to think the idea that taking Love stops them trying to win with Rodgers is asinine. 

[TwistofFate]

34 minutes ago, hjnick said:

Wasn't Green Bay 12-4 last year?  If Rodger's isn't Lafleur's type of QB, what kind of QB is he looking for?  thx

Rodgers comes from the Tedfordian system. 

 

Lafeur comes from the shanahan-mcvay coaching tree which relies on under center, run heavy play action. 

 

That's exactly the opposite of what Rodgers has done the entirety of his career. 

 

On top of that, Rodgers has fallen off the last few years and has been quite the problem within Green Bay...sooo much so he has been warned by the GM to not cause problems with the new coach. 

 

Truth be told, Rodgers has spent the majority of his career with high talent players, playing within a system he was accustomed to.   Now that he doesn't have high level talent all around him, he's dropped off pretty substantially. 

[Doc]

41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

BB was wrong--but not at the time.  And when the Packer fade this season, the Love pick will look better already.

 

Compared to Singletary, Taylor is a fumbling piker, and as such, McD would not be concerned. that was the discussion.

 

Oh yeah...."yards per game".  lol.  But you did give the old "which works out to"...and even threw in some weird nonsense about what he would have done agains Chicago. 

 

Depends why the Pack fade.  I think most teams would be more than happy with ARod's production last year and a repeat of it this year, especially given his receiving corps.  And Love still has to show he's a franchise QB.

 

Yes, no one should be worried about Singletary's 4 fumbles in 2 games.  The point was that he wasn't one in college so the Bills couldn't have predicted it, but Taylor was one, it likely won't get any better in the NFL, and why add a guy like that if you thought it was an issue with Singletary (initially, at least)?  Again coaches hate fumblers because it allows for a turnover to occur.

 

Yards per game removes all the other BS.  Sitting for a meaningless season-ender doesn't change anything (unlike, say, missing over half the season) and those other players who missed games could also have fallen off their trajectory.  But why you went silly vehemently trying to disprove it is what the real question is?

 

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I wasn't looking for a response. I just continue to think the idea that taking Love stops them trying to win with Rodgers is asinine. 

 

It doesn't stop them but it definitely doesn't help them. 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Doc

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It doesn't stop them but it definitely doesn't help them. 

 

I think what is costs them now is infinitely outweighed by the potential gain down the road. Just as it was when they took Aaron Rodgers instead of getting Brett Favre a receiver in 2005. 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think what is costs them now is infinitely outweighed by the potential gain down the road. Just as it was when they took Aaron Rodgers instead of getting Brett Favre a receiver in 2005. 

 

It's potential either way.  A WR in the first potentially could have helped them win a SB.  Love potentially could be a franchise QB.  They've cast their lot so all we can do is see what becomes of Love.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Doc said:

 

It's potential either way.  A WR in the first potentially could have helped them win a SB.  Love potentially could be a franchise QB.  They've cast their lot so all we can do is see what becomes of Love.

 

Even if Love fails while it makes it a poor pick it was still the right strategy. The odds are stacked in favour of him being a long term difference maker over a receiver being a short term difference maker. Because it is the most important position on the field.

[Doc]

49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Even if Love fails while it makes it a poor pick it was still the right strategy. The odds are stacked in favour of him being a long term difference maker over a receiver being a short term difference maker. Because it is the most important position on the field.

 

It was a strategy.  Whether it's the right one (to draft a QB in the 1st round when you have one that is playing at a high level right now and needs WR help) is debatable, and whether he succeeds remains to be seen.  It worked for them once before, but that's not the norm.  What we do know is he doesn't help the Packers at all this year, if not for a couple years.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Doc

[ndirish1978]

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

The 2011 Seahawks only drafted CB's in the fifth and sixth round to help their secondary.  Does it matter who the players turned out to be, or did they neglect their secondary by not investing higher picks (and thus different players) in it?

 

Zero logic, smug attitude. You're one of those guys who thinks, despite all evidence, that they are somehow smarter than everyone else and comes on a message board to try and pump themselves up. I'll bow out of this particular exchange. 

[FireChans]

15 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Zero logic, smug attitude. You're one of those guys who thinks, despite all evidence, that they are somehow smarter than everyone else and comes on a message board to try and pump themselves up. I'll bow out of this particular exchange. 

?

 

You didn’t even attempt the answer the question. Not sure you were ever interested in a discussion.

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Even if Love fails while it makes it a poor pick it was still the right strategy. The odds are stacked in favour of him being a long term difference maker over a receiver being a short term difference maker. Because it is the most important position on the field.

I don't blame the Packers for taking a shot with Love. I do find it puzzling that in a draft supposedly deep at wr, they didn't take a single one.

[GunnerBill]

 

4 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I don't blame the Packers for taking a shot with Love. I do find it puzzling that in a draft supposedly deep at wr, they didn't take a single one.

 

Agree. 

[FieldGeneral]

Green Bay got everything they'll get out of him. They should trade him when the first opportunity arises. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, FieldGeneral said:

Green Bay got everything they'll get out of him. They should trade him when the first opportunity arises. 

 

They can't.

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

They can't.

 

He said when the first opportunity arises. I think the first opportunity arises after 1st June 2021 when a trade would still cost them $31m but would be capable of being split across 2021 and 2022 for cap purposes. There was a lot of conversation of how that happens given that teams have filled their rosters generally by then but it does happen frequently in the run up the start of the league year that teams agree terms on trades and they are reported as done by the media but they don't actually become authorised until the new league year starts. I know doing a trade that you don't then authorise until 1 June (thereby meaning that you can't give Rodgers your playbook or get him in your facility before then) is slightly different but if Green Bay made it known he was available for trade there would be a team willing to agree terms in March and then wait until June to get him - but it would likely affect the compensation they would be willing to give up.

 

Personally, I think far more likely is that he is the starter in Green Bay for 2020 and 2021 and then they move on. They could, at that point, release him or they might hold out for trade offers. Might depend on his play the next two years and you would need to have a team who is in "win now" mode and thinks they are a Quarterback away. I do think San Francisco might fit that mould if Jimmy G hasn't got them over the hump.... 

[machine gun kelly]

Rodgers whines more as he gets older.  It was funny on NFLR the other day Rodgers likes all the WR to get them to GB, then doesn’t like them once there.  It did seem a little premature as I would have waited until he was 38, but maybe they liked the young QB.