Rank the AFC Teams as of Now

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I was tempted to put the Bills in their own tier right after KC and Baltimore. For me the Bills are right there with them but the schedule this year is really tough. That’s what pushed them into tier 2 for me.

The Ravens are just overloaded with talent. They remind me of that 49er team years ago. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by FireChans

[Franco_92]

People still pretending that Big Ben wasn't horrific in his appearances last year before a gruesome throwing arm elbow injury that drove him to look like Matt Patricia.

 

Steelers have a nice roster, but zero at quarterback.

Edited April 26, 2020 by arcane

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The Ravens are just overloaded with talent. They remind me of that 49er team years ago. 

I agree. They had a really strong draft too. They have talent and depth. I thought that they may take a 1/2 step back this year but changed my mind again after this weekend. They really are loaded.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I agree. They had a really strong draft too. They have talent and depth. I thought that they may take a 1/2 step back this year but changed my mind again after this weekend. They really are loaded.

Campbell was such a clutch add. Jake Fromm is the next Brady, but I would have traded that pick for Campbell.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

 

I'd drop the Browns one slot and potentially the Dolphins one slot.

 

What do people see in the Broncos? I would put them at 10. They went 7-9 last year and why should we expect them to be better? Do people have a lot of confidence in Drew Lock?

 

Lock played well when he went in and they lost a lot of tight games last year. They have one of the best young receivers in the league and an ascending tight end. They added serious weapons and they have a coach who never has a bad defense. Denver will be good. 

5 minutes ago, arcane said:

People still pretending that Big Ben wasn't horrific in his appearances last year before a gruesome throwing arm elbow injury that drove him to look like Matt Patricia.

 

Steelers have a nice roster, but zero at quarterback.

 

He was already hurt and trying to play through it for a game and a half. 

1 hour ago, Process said:

You have the colts wayyy to low. They will be competing for the #2 seed, they are loaded and we'll coached. 

 

Ravens will take a big step back imo. A lot of QBs regress in year three, I expect that to be the case for Lamar. Still not sold on him as a QB.

 

You think Rivers has anything left? I have always been a fan but he looked like final season Manning to me last year. 

[chris heff]

38 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I basically agree with this ranking, but unlike a bunch of other folks I think the Bills are closer to the Ravens than they are to the Steelers/Broncos.  

I was just thinking exactly the same thing. For all anyone knows Ben could be done and I don’t think the Broncos are anything.

[slaphappy]

1. Chiefs (the champs)

2. Ravens 

3. Bills 

4. Steelers 

5. Broncos 

6. Titans

7. Texans

8. Jets

9. Browns 

10. Colts 

11. Raiders

12. Patriots

13. Dolphins 

14. Chargers 

15. Jaguars 

16. Bengals 

 

Swapped Jets and Pats. To me the Patriots feel like when the Bills Superbowl team started to dismantle. Watching my favorite star players move on and play for other teams was terrible.. but after playing so well for so many years it just seemed like enough talent was left to plug in the holes and keep moving forward. Then Todd Collins happened and the rest is bitter history.

[GunnerBill]

49 minutes ago, Chemical said:

1) there’s no guarantee he will improve. I personally think he will, but plenty of QBs have regressed or plateaued at age 24 for various reasons. His stats should at least improve with Diggs. 
 

2) the game day stuff is THE gripe. It was all last season. Even dating back to the Colts overtime win in the snow. McDermott just wants the game to be over the second we get a lead even if it’s the first half.
 

Some posters called it out all last season even in wins, saying that kind of thinking will cost is games in the future. Those people were told to shut up and enjoy the wins, but what happened in the playoffs? You can blame the refs or take a critical look at your team. 
 

3) I’d be legitimately interested to compare the Bills’ record against playoff teams with other top teams to see if there’s a statistically significant difference. 

edit: having said all that I put the bills behind KC, BAL, IND, HOU, TEN

 

 

The Bills can't have lost to the Texans both because they were too conservative with the lead AND because they threw it too much instead of pounding Singletary. 

 

I hear both criticisms on here consistently. Only one can be true. 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Campbell was such a clutch add. Jake Fromm is the next Brady, but I would have traded that pick for Campbell.

Ha ha, I hope you’re right on Fromm.

 

Baltimore, outside of maybe WR, is just a really good roster. They are big, physical and have players up and down the depth chart. I do think that their division is better across the board but they should still be there at the end. That division improvement though may prevent them from the bye. That is going to be a big advantage this year. If the Bills played last year’s schedule with this year’s team I may have them as the favorite to land the bye. 

[Cal]

1. Chiefs

2. Steelers

3. Titans 

4. Ravens

5. Patriots (I think we are better, but have to beat them first).

6. Bills

7. Colts

8. Texans

9. Raiders

10. Broncos

11. Jets

12. Browns

13. Bengals

14. Chargers 

15. Jaguars 

16. Dolphins

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

They went 14-2 last year and kept their team largely intact.  Plus they added Campbell and had a very good draft.  Even though they laid an egg last year in the playoffs, I don't see them regressing from last year.

 

 

Ravens are going to run on everyone next year.

 

Texans fall out of top 10.

 

Broncos on the move. 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Ha ha, I hope you’re right on Fromm.

 

Baltimore, outside of maybe WR, is just a really good roster. They are big, physical and have players up and down the depth chart. I do think that their division is better across the board but they should still be there at the end. That division improvement though may prevent them from the bye. That is going to be a big advantage this year. If the Bills played last year’s schedule with this year’s team I may have them as the favorite to land the bye. 

 

Last year's schedule, this team, and Brady gone. Yes. Even as a reduced threat last year probably his best game came against the Bills! Some things never change haha. 

[Penfield45]

4 hours ago, eball said:

The only thing keeping the Bills from being ranked in the top tier with the Ravens and Chiefs is any remaining skepticism about Josh Allen's development.  That's it.  Otherwise, from top to bottom the roster matches up with anyone in the league.  If you're a Josh Allen believer you put the Bills right there with them; if you think he'll stay what he was last season then they are still a top 6 team in the conference.

 

pretty much. at this point Allen is the only thing holding this team back from being a super bowl contender 

 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2020 by Penfield45

[Kirby Jackson]

55 minutes ago, Cal said:

1. Chiefs

2. Steelers

3. Titans 

4. Ravens

5. Patriots (I think we are better, but have to beat them first).

6. Bills

7. Colts

8. Texans

9. Raiders

10. Broncos

11. Jets

12. Browns

13. Bengals

14. Chargers 

15. Jaguars 

16. Dolphins

This is slowly becoming a pet peeve of mine. Why does every team get evaluated on who they are today but the Patriots get evaluated on who they’ve been for 20 years? If you think we are better we should be higher than them. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is slowly becoming a pet peeve of mine. Why does every team get evaluated on who they are today but the Patriots get evaluated on who they’ve been for 20 years? If you think we are better we should be higher than them. 

 

I do understand it. You gotta beat the bully before you can say you stood up to him. If Brady was still there I would even subscribe to it. But he isn't. And they went from still a top 10 QB situation to the 32nd QB situation. That has to factor in. 

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Process said:

You have the colts wayyy to low. They will be competing for the #2 seed, they are loaded and we'll coached. 

 

Ravens will take a big step back imo. A lot of QBs regress in year three, I expect that to be the case for Lamar. Still not sold on him as a QB.

 

 

Meh...I think the Titans are better.  I'm not sold Rivers still has it.  I'm definitely sold he doesn't have the weapons he had in San Di... excuse me, L.A.  Hilton is going to be 31 and has lost steps.  And Mack can't stay on the field.   

[Kirby Jackson]

17 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

pretty much. at this point Allen is the only thing holding this team back from being a super bowl contender 

 

 

 

I don’t think that he’s holding them back from that. I think it’s unknown whether he can take another step. He isn’t a hole though. He’s an unknown.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Meh...I think the Titans are better.  I'm not sold Rivers still has it.  I'm definitely sold he doesn't have the weapons he had in San Di... excuse me, L.A.  Hilton is going to be 31 and has lost steps.  And Mack can't stay on the field.   

 

They did draft two excellent players. But I agree overall. Rivers looks done to me.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Bills can't have lost to the Texans both because they were too conservative with the lead AND because they threw it too much instead of pounding Singletary. 

 

I hear both criticisms on here consistently. Only one can be true. 

running Frank Gore was more the issue for me 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Chemical said:

running Frank Gore was more the issue for me 

 

The ones the QB checked into you mean? Gore was out there because he was the superior pass protector. Blame Beane for insisting on having a fella who was done on the roster. 

[Bangarang]

2 hours ago, Process said:

You have the colts wayyy to low. They will be competing for the #2 seed, they are loaded and we'll coached. 

 

Ravens will take a big step back imo. A lot of QBs regress in year three, I expect that to be the case for Lamar. Still not sold on him as a QB.

Allen is dooooooomed then

[Happy]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The ones the QB checked into you mean? Gore was out there because he was the superior pass protector. Blame Beane for insisting on having a fella who was done on the roster. 

 

I'm not sure I'd pin that all on Beane.  McD determines the game day 53, and could easily not have had Gore dress.  Daboll didn't have to call sweep plays where Gore tried to go around the tackle.  I get that Gore had to get the ball sometime to keep the defense guessing, but Daboll gave him the ball too often from what I could tell.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I'm not sure I'd pin that all on Beane.  McD determines the game day 53, and could easily not have had Gore dress.  Daboll didn't have to call sweep plays where Gore tried to go around the tackle.  I get that Gore had to get the ball sometime to keep the defense guessing, but Daboll gave him the ball too often from what I could tell.

 

Dabes called 4 Gore runs from memory. The others were checks. 

[Gugny]

1. Chiefs

2. Bills

3. Steelers

4. Broncos

5. Patriots

6. Ravens

7. Texans

8. Titans

9. Browns 

10. Colts 

11. Raiders

12. Jets

13. Dolphins 

14. Chargers 

15. Bengals

16. Jaguars

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The ones the QB checked into you mean? Gore was out there because he was the superior pass protector. Blame Beane for insisting on having a fella who was done on the roster. 

 

True. I forgot that play was Allen's fault.

[H2o]

2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

The Patriots are not going to just fade away without Brady. I see the Jets and NE as the teams that we will be fighting with for the division. It is very hard to draft top 10 talent and Miami got rid of a ton of very good players. I don't know how you can say Flores will be a good coach, he was basically a scout for the Patriots. He was never given the title of DC when Matt P left, I know Belicheat was calling that defense. Flores is a complete question mark, it appears that he has very little to zero play calling experience. If the Bills signed a HC with that resume I would be pissed off. I will make judgment on Flores after his first year of coaching but I don't see this lasting more than 3 years tops. The Bills, Jets and NE have such a talent and coaching advantage, I just don't see Miami having a chance.

The Pats have Stidham and Hoyer at QB. They have one really good OL'man. Michel looked pedestrian last year. They have no real threats on the outside. PEDelman is a year older and without Tommy Boy. They have two rookies they are going to depend on at TE. They still have Gilmore, but lost a lot of pieces on defense and the guys they did keep are a year further into their 30's. The reign is over. 

 

Now onto Flores. Did you see how he turned that team around last year in the 2nd half of the season with the limited talent on that roster? Those guys bought in and play for him like our team does for McDermott. I like the guy and think he will be a former Pats coach that endures sustained success. Adding Chan as OC, the pieces they did in FA, then the draft they had is only going to continue to build on that. If Tua turns out to be who I think he will, a lefty version of Russell Wilson, and stays healthy then they are really going to be knocking at the door in a couple of years. Once they build that chemistry then they will be right there with us. If I am not mistaken they also have 2 more 1st Round picks next year. 

 

The Jets do not have a talent edge on anyone in the AFC East really. Aside from the fact Gase is their coach, a guy whom the players do not really respect or trust, Darnold hasn't proven anything yet and Gase hasn't shown that he can actually develop a QB. Bell is another year older and an underachiever whom they tried to move last year. Mosely is a good player, but can he shake the injuries? Jamal Adams, the legit best player on their defense whom they also tried to trade, does he really want to be there? Yeah, they picked up Desir, but name another CB they have that is actually worth anything. They have Crowder at WR, no TE worth worrying about, a project they drafted in Mims, a suspect OL even still, will have to overpay for FA's because of how they have treated their own be it injured or otherwise, and they handed out some really stupid contracts. They are the epitome of a 7-9 team or worse, especially as long as they have Gase at the helm which is why I hope they keep him and waste 3 more years or so of Darnold's career.

Edited April 26, 2020 by H2o

[GunnerBill]

The Pats have more than one good Olineman. Their two guards are among the best in the league and the other 3 are all solid players. 

[Kirby Jackson]

42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I do understand it. You gotta beat the bully before you can say you stood up to him. If Brady was still there I would even subscribe to it. But he isn't. And they went from still a top 10 QB situation to the 32nd QB situation. That has to factor in. 

Even if Brady was still there I’d believe that. We are looking at the 2020 Patriots. If you believe that they are good have them high. Just don’t say that are good because they were good. This year is all that matters. Personally I think that they are going to be 6-10. If someone feels the 2020 Patriots will be 14-2 have them at the top. That’s more of my point. I don’t think anyone believes in the spot that they have the Patriots. They just give the benefit of the doubt.

[FireChans]

27 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Allen is dooooooomed then

A lot of QB’s look worse with (tape, time, big contracts) except ours, IMO.

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Ha ha, I hope you’re right on Fromm.

 

Baltimore, outside of maybe WR, is just a really good roster. They are big, physical and have players up and down the depth chart. I do think that their division is better across the board but they should still be there at the end. That division improvement though may prevent them from the bye. That is going to be a big advantage this year. If the Bills played last year’s schedule with this year’s team I may have them as the favorite to land the bye. 

If the Browns/Bengals/Steelers can steal 2-3 games, the bye will be up for grabs.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Even if Brady was still there I’d believe that. We are looking at the 2020 Patriots. If you believe that they are good have them high. Just don’t say that are good because they were good. This year is all that matters. Personally I think that they are going to be 6-10. If someone feels the 2020 Patriots will be 14-2 have them at the top. That’s more of my point. I don’t think anyone believes in the spot that they have the Patriots. They just give the benefit of the doubt.

 

Brady on that roster still wins double digit games. 

[FireChans]

52 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is slowly becoming a pet peeve of mine. Why does every team get evaluated on who they are today but the Patriots get evaluated on who they’ve been for 20 years? If you think we are better we should be higher than them. 

The Hoodie is still there and he’s had McD’s number.

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I agree. They had a really strong draft too. They have talent and depth. I thought that they may take a 1/2 step back this year but changed my mind again after this weekend. They really are loaded.

How does another RB make their offense any better, though? 

[GoBills808]

46 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

True. I forgot that play was Allen's fault.

Lmao how is a check Allen’s fault

[Clyde Smith]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

 

I'd drop the Browns one slot and potentially the Dolphins one slot.

 

What do people see in the Broncos? I would put them at 10. They went 7-9 last year and why should we expect them to be better? Do people have a lot of confidence in Drew Lock?

No, but I have a lot of confidence with the talent that is surrounding Lock. If Lock plays well, Denver will have a strong offense.

[FireChans]

47 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

How does another RB make their offense any better, though? 

Ingram was slowed down more towards the second half of the year, which proved to be the key to beating them. San Fran, The Bills, and the Titans shut him down, and it’s not a coincidence those were some of the closest games they played all year. Losses, in regards to the Titans.

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Doc, nice take, but the Browns haven’t proven anything, and last year in the off season, talking heads were placing 5em in the AFC Championship game.  I agree the Colts should ascend this year, and the Texans looks like they will go back down.  If the Titans play like they did at the end of the year, they will be a serious contender.

I know but I like their coaching staff, their upgrades on the o-line, and it's a better offensive system that's more dedicated to the run (Chubb and Hunt) which should open up large plays down the field to OBJ and Landry.  Their defense is above average.  Signing Keenum as a backup QB was also a smart move.  It's hard to argue that personnel wise they aren't as good as us.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

As it stands, Josh Allen will be the best quarterback in the division now that Tom Brady is no longer in New England, and Allen gives the Bills the best chance to win now. And the Bills acted on their weakness in the passing game by adding two big wide receivers in Gabriel Davis out of Central Florida in the fourth round and Oregon State’s Isaiah Hodgins in the sixth round.

 

After all, when your wide receivers are so small they are called “The Smurfs,” there was motivation to go big in this draft.
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/curtisrush/2020/04/26/buffalo-bills-get-solid-grades-for-performance-in-nfl-draft/

 

[Rampage]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

As it stands, Josh Allen will be the best quarterback in the division now that Tom Brady is no longer in New England, and Allen gives the Bills the best chance to win now. And the Bills acted on their weakness in the passing game by adding two big wide receivers in Gabriel Davis out of Central Florida in the fourth round and Oregon State’s Isaiah Hodgins in the sixth round.

 

After all, when your wide receivers are so small they are called “The Smurfs,” there was motivation to go big in this draft.
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/curtisrush/2020/04/26/buffalo-bills-get-solid-grades-for-performance-in-nfl-draft/

 

That really isn't saying much considering the Dolphins have a rookie and New England has a guy that's taken one series of garbage time snaps. And you could argue Darnold is better than Allen. It's not so clear cut. Allen has better mobility but fumbles like crazy and is inaccurate. Darnold makes slightly worse decisions throwing the football but when he makes a good read it's more accurate.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, RealKayAdams said:

1. Chiefs

2. Ravens

3. Bills

4. Titans

5. Patriots

6. Texans

7. Steelers

8. Browns

9. Broncos

10. Colts

11. Raiders

12. Chargers

13. Dolphins

14. Jets

15. Bengals

16. Jaguars

 

Agree with this kay. Only part I think Dolphins should be ahead of Broncos. Colts should be number 7.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Rampage said:

That really isn't saying much considering the Dolphins have a rookie and New England has a guy that's taken one series of garbage time snaps. And you could argue Darnold is better than Allen. It's not so clear cut. Allen has better mobility but fumbles like crazy and is inaccurate. Darnold makes slightly worse decisions throwing the football but when he makes a good read it's more accurate.

Allen and Darnold both have shown promise but have to prove they’re the franchise guy this year.  
 

Most Bills fans would rather have Allen and most Jets fans would rather have Darnold.  
 

What should be noted is that our offense was trash around Allen last year.  It was a step up from dumpster fire his rookie year.  Average OL, rookie RB, elderly RB, rookie TE, a #2 WR and a Slot WR.  That’s what he had around him.  
 

I, for one, expect Allen to ball out this year.  He’s always going to do frustrating things from time to time, but his talent is undeniable.