njbuff Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, cle23 said: Why wouldn't they have Garrett? Suspension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Id wait as long as possible then give him a two year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 25 minutes ago, njbuff said: Suspension He isn't suspended anymore tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Gambit said: He isn't suspended anymore tho I thought he was for a whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 All things considered, if this is truly the year the Bills are going for the Super Bowl, then, yes, sign him to a one year prove it deal. But, I'm guessing he really wants more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, njbuff said: I thought he was for a whole year. No. He's eligible week 1. Fowler from ESPN reported that Cleveland is interested in him though as they have the most cap space in the league at this point. If they sign Clowney they'll cut Vernon. Releasing Vernon saves them a little more than 15 million dollars without any dead cap money. I think he either goes to the Browns, Seahawks, or Jets in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, njbuff said: I thought he was for a whole year. Sadly nope. He was reinstated back in February. I honestly think the pos should be banned at least a year. It's going to be interesting the next time he plays against Pittsburgh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 26 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: No. He's eligible week 1. Fowler from ESPN reported that Cleveland is interested in him though as they have the most cap space in the league at this point. If they sign Clowney they'll cut Vernon. Releasing Vernon saves them a little more than 15 million dollars without any dead cap money. I think he either goes to the Browns, Seahawks, or Jets in that order. Where the hell have I been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Clowney isn't that good anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Hardhatharry said: Clowney isn't that good anyway. What exactly does “That good” mean? he’s good enough to help us win a super bowl. Fosho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutie Flakes Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 12 hours ago, Hardhatharry said: Clowney isn't that good anyway. Can you quantify that please...12 sacks but 122 QB pressures. Not good? He is an athletic freak. I don't see us spending the $$ he is asking, but with what we are building, maybe he softens his ask? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 I'd be a little surprised if a team made a move on Clowney now right before the draft unless he re-signs in Seattle. If a team that needs a pass rusher badly doesn't get the draftee they want, they will swoop in and make their bid for Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, njbuff said: I'd be a little surprised if a team made a move on Clowney now right before the draft unless he re-signs in Seattle. If a team that needs a pass rusher badly doesn't get the draftee they want, they will swoop in and make their bid for Clowney. I don’t understand why. This draft is pretty weak in the edge rush department. I get why people didn’t want to pay him 20 mills a year, but 17 isn’t THAT bad considering it can be a one year deal that won’t affect the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t understand why. This draft is pretty weak in the edge rush department. I get why people didn’t want to pay him 20 mills a year, but 17 isn’t THAT bad considering it can be a one year deal that won’t affect the future. I’ll let the market set itself there. In my mind he’s just a rich man’s Shaq. Time will tell. Certainly not what Clowney expected. He got so hyped in college he lost sight of reality. I’m in for a fair deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Good is all about context. Hughes has a few good years left. I would give Clowney a 2 or 3 year deal around 18 mil per year in a sec. He frees up Oliver and Hughes who were already productive. He may not be Watt or Miller but I know he could be legion of boom Micheal Bennet. I would like to see Buffalo make a move that puts the defense into unquestioned tops in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 We don't need him but if you put an edge athlete like him on our defense it's going to make a huge difference for everyone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Don’t like this guys attitude and even on a 1 year deal I’m hesitant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Augie said: I’ll let the market set itself there. In my mind he’s just a rich man’s Shaq. Time will tell. Certainly not what Clowney expected. He got so hyped in college he lost sight of reality. I’m in for a fair deal. The fact that Shaq Lawson got signed before him is hilarious. He completely way overvalued himself and now he’s paying the price for that. Take what is offered to you and don’t B word or complain 13 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Don’t like this guys attitude and even on a 1 year deal I’m hesitant I think he’s gonna have to humble himself by taking a 1-2 year vet minimum deal, he thought he was hot ***** and overvalued himself only for it to fall back on his face. Miami reportedly offered him 16 to 20,000,000,000 a year he wanted 25 to 30 a year, Miami told him good luck lol. Edited April 6, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 22 hours ago, Hardhatharry said: Clowney isn't that good anyway. No he’s a good player for sure, but he’s definitely not what some fans make him out to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think he’s gonna have to humble himself by taking a 1-2 year vet minimum deal, he thought he was hot ***** and overvalued himself only for it to fall back on his face. Miami reportedly offered him 16 to 20,000,000,000 a year he wanted 25 to 30 a year, Miami told him good luck lol. Vet minimum? No way. He will take a below his market value deal.... but he wouldn't play for vet minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Vet minimum? No way. He will take a below his market value deal.... but he wouldn't play for vet minimum. At this point he might not have a choice. It seems like his market is dying down every day. I’m sure he probably wishes he would’ve shut up and taken what Miami offered him. Cause the other teams offers from what I’ve heard haven’t been able to match up to Miami’s first offer. Again he overvalued himself and now he’s starting to see the harsh reality of doing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 There are many people on here that no way more than I’ll ever know about how all of this works but I’d be shocked if the Bills haven’t offered Clowney some pretty sizable money and then would cut Trent Murphy. What’s the downside? What’s the $ delta? Don’t they still have plenty of cap space? Seems like a no brainer and the Bills (a contender) would seem to be the ideal fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Vet minimum dude? WTF? Call me crazy but it seems that’s the direction he’s heading plus on top of the fact that he got his bell rung last year in the playoffs and has a injury history. If I’m Buffalo I’m not offering him anymore than a 2 year 13 million deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said: Call me crazy but it seems that’s the direction he’s heading plus on top of the fact that he got his bell rung last year in the playoffs and has a injury history. If I’m Buffalo I’m not offering him anymore than a 2 year 13 million deal You wouldn’t offer him more than Trent Murphy’s contract? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You wouldn’t offer him more than Trent Murphy’s contract? No I wouldn’t. To me Clowney has an on and off switch. While he a good player he had the Benifits of playing on some real talented Houston Defenses. He was ok with Seattle but notice how Seattle is not chasing him to bring him back, I remember when this guy was being deemed a draft bust after 2 years into the NFL. At the end of it he just strikes me as the type of Player that after you pay him what he wants he’ll most likely not show up and will regress. Edited April 6, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Would love to see a 1 year prove it deal around $16 million. The DE room would be solid. DE - Jerry Hughes - Mario Addison DT - Ed Oliver - Harrison Philips - Quinton Jefferson DT - Star L. - Vernon Butler DE - Jadeveon Clowney - Trent Murphy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, wppete said: Would love to see a 1 year prove it deal around $16 million. The DE room would be solid. DE - Jerry Hughes - Mario Addison DT - Ed Oliver - Harrison Philips - Quinton Jefferson DT - Star L. - Vernon Butler DE - Jadeveon Clowney - Trent Murphy 2 years, that would be stupid to sign him for 1 year 16 million, especially if he goes right back into free agency the next year in 21. Might as well keep Murphy, plus we have some upcoming free agents that need contract extensions, the biggest one is White Edited April 6, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: 2 years, that would be stupid to sign him for 1 year 16 million, especially if he goes right back into free agency the next year in 21. Might as well keep Murphy, plus we have some upcoming free agents that need contract extensions, the biggest one is White Stupid? To add one of the better DEs in the league on a one year deal that won’t affect our salary cap going forward...... might as well keep a Murphy, a player that isn’t nearly as good...... you say it’s dumb to sign a one year contract....then allude to the fact that we have upcoming free agents to sign..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 51 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: At this point he might not have a choice. It seems like his market is dying down every day. I’m sure he probably wishes he would’ve shut up and taken what Miami offered him. Cause the other teams offers from what I’ve heard haven’t been able to match up to Miami’s first offer. Again he overvalued himself and now he’s starting to see the harsh reality of doing that There is still a loooooong way from there and vet minimum. I agree he will end up taking less than Miami offered. But vet minimum for Clowney (player between 1 and 7 years) is $675,000 a year. If you think that is the best offer he is getting you are mad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, NewEra said: Stupid? To add one of the better DEs in the league on a one year deal that won’t affect our salary cap going forward...... might as well keep a Murphy, a player that isn’t nearly as good...... you say it’s dumb to sign a one year contract....then allude to the fact that we have upcoming free agents to sign..... Completely agree. Some people don't get the fact that McBeane is going all in this year for the Super Bowl. This is the opportunity. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 30 minutes ago, NewEra said: Stupid? To add one of the better DEs in the league on a one year deal that won’t affect our salary cap going forward...... might as well keep a Murphy, a player that isn’t nearly as good...... you say it’s dumb to sign a one year contract....then allude to the fact that we have upcoming free agents to sign..... We do and I’d rather not waste 16 million on a 1 year rental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: We do and I’d rather not waste 16 million on a 1 year rental Mr Pegula? Is that you? Hows it a waste if you have no other 2020 free agents in the wings? You can’t rollover cap space year to year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Mr Pegula? Is that you? Hows it a waste if you have no other 2020 free agents in the wings? You can’t rollover cap space year to year. Err, yes you can. I mean it wouldn't stop me trying to sign Clowney on a 1 year deal because I really do not like our edge situation as it stands. But you can roll unused cap over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Mr Pegula? Is that you? Hows it a waste if you have no other 2020 free agents in the wings? You can’t rollover cap space year to year. I think you are able to do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 it doesn’t matter much cause Clowney is talking with Cleveland and they are apparently offering him a really good deal. I’m not a Clowney fan I think we could find better in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: We do and I’d rather not waste 16 million on a 1 year rental So you’d rather spend 16 mill on a multi year deal and make it impossible to resign our own free agents next year? The guys we might be looking to extend are Tre, Dawkins and milano. Say we spend that 16 mill a year on them.....how much better does that make us in 2020? It doesn’t. Adding a player on a 1 year deal makes the team better for 2020 AND still allows us to resign everyone we want going forward. signing a different player on a 2 year 16 mill a year contract makes it so we won’t be able to sign all of the guys we want. it’s really not rocket science. Bills with Clowney >>>>>>> Bills without Clowney. 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: it doesn’t matter much cause Clowney is talking with Cleveland and they are apparently offering him a really good deal. I’m not a Clowney fan I think we could find better in the draft just wondering who you think will be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: it doesn’t matter much cause Clowney is talking with Cleveland and they are apparently offering him a really good deal. I’m not a Clowney fan I think we could find better in the draft Clowney is fantastic. If Cleveland get him then he and Garrett is downright nasty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Err, yes you can. I mean it wouldn't stop me trying to sign Clowney on a 1 year deal because I really do not like our edge situation as it stands. But you can roll unused cap over. Gunner....honest question...can you roll over all of it? Or just some of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: We have to maintain our status as salary cap champs next offseason. Signing Clowney would seriously jeopardize that. I don’t want to really win the SB this year. But let’s really go for it in 5 years when we have tons of cap space!!! Stupid KC. Look at their lack of cap space. I bet they totally regret all those contracts now!!! and I don’t want to pay JC that much. So overrated. We already have enough “pass rushers” who don’t get sacks. I’d rather have Shaq at 10 than JC at $18 (and Murphy at $0 ?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Gunner....honest question...can you roll over all of it? Or just some of it? You can roll any unspent subject to you meeting the cap floor over a rolling 3 year period. So in any 3 consecutive seasons you must have hit I think it is 89% spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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