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Wow. 50 pages in and I never thought so many people would be so enamored in and attached to the speculative value of draft picks, especially lower round draft picks. Mystery-box syndrome seems to be endemic around here. 

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29 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I feel like this is different from watkins

qe know what we are getting

it didn’t cost as much

Correct.  The team is also in a position where Diggs is expected to be one of the last pieces of the puzzle, and we're not in the market for a QB.  It's unlikely that a guy taken at 22 is going to match Diggs's production over the next two years, which are the last two years of cheap Josh Allen quarterbacking.  It looks like a good trade for both teams. 

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Just now, mannc said:

Correct.  The team is also in a position where Diggs is expected to be one of the last pieces of the puzzle, and we're not in the market for a QB.  It's unlikely that a guy taken at 22 is going to match Diggs's production over the next two years, which are the last two years of cheap Josh Allen quarterbacking.  It looks like a good trade for both teams. 

 

 

...I'd say a very fair and accurate assessment......now versus (potentially) later....:thumbsup:

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1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

Good.

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3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

I wish the media would shut up about it, makes me worry they'll give him ideas.

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At 22 who is the dynamic edge?  Who is the bookend OT.  The top Wrs will surely be gone, the versitle hybrid defenders will be gone.  For a while now I thought 22 was really no mans land.  Basiclly, paying rd 1 money for a day 2 player. 

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even with this I see them doing a simple restructure. Giving some GTD money and upfront money and lowering his cap hit this year as well. Maybe tack on a voidable year on the backend. 

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3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Wait a minute.  He’s been a Bill for less than 24 hours and there have yet to be any contract discussions?  Go figure.  
 

Top notch reporting right there. 

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43 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Thanks to all who replied.     

 

And I know that Beane said they don't have enough room on the roster for seven draft picks to make it, but he was talking about the roster.   

 

And I'm not arguing that they paid too much for Diggs.   I agree that a guy like Diggs is potentially valuable enough that the stuff you throw in on the back end of the trade isn't too important.   If Diggs works out, the positives on the team will way outweigh whatever a couple of sixth round picks will do for you.  

 

But those picks DO matter.   You need new players every year, and the best of the crop go in the draft.   That was point.  

 

And Alpha, the math isn't wrong.   Overall, on average, each team needs 10 or 15 new guys each season for the season, not camp.  That's 10 or 15 guys coming out of college.   More some years, fewer others, but on average you need a bunch.   Most of them may never get beyond the practice squad, but you need them.   And if year after year your opponents are drafting more and you're signing more undrafted free agents, over time, they're going to have better talent than you.  It's simple logic.

 

But as I said, I don't think there's much point in arguing about whether throwing in one or two of those picks worth it.   To suggest the Bills overpaid because they added those picks doesn't make a ton of sense.   The deal is pretty much Diggs for a first and change.   

There is very little difference whatsoever, talent wise, between a 6th or 7th rounder and any of the top 100-200 UDFA not to mention street free agents. The talent on the Bills 2020 team with one less 5th and 6th but an extra 7th will be all but imperceptible. 

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7 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Wait a minute.  He’s been a Bill for less than 24 hours and there have yet to be any contract discussions?  Go figure.  
 

Top notch reporting right there. 

 

I think hes just referencing the media saying Diggs is getting a new contract. 

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9 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

At 22 who is the dynamic edge?  Who is the bookend OT.  The top Wrs will surely be gone, the versitle hybrid defenders will be gone.  For a while now I thought 22 was really no mans land.  Basiclly, paying rd 1 money for a day 2 player. 

Prior to this trade there was a ton of talk about how loaded of a draft this is...

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2 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

I think hes just referencing the media saying Diggs is getting a new contract. 

or  pointing to Shady who got a raise for no reason (I know previous regime)

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10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I wish the media would shut up about it, makes me worry they'll give him ideas.

 

You don't think Diggs and his agent have already thought about this?

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2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

or  pointing to Shady who got a raise for no reason (I know previous regime)

 

Agreed. 

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Just now, Happy Gilmore said:

 

You don't think Diggs and his agent have already thought about this?

NFL players dont think or care about money. Its for the love of the game....

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2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

You don't think Diggs and his agent have already thought about this?

Probably but maybe they didn't realize it'd be such a popular idea...it's mostly irrational but it still bugs me.

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10 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Diggs wasn’t happy in Minny because he didn’t get the ball enough.  I can’t imagine he is going to be any happier here. 

 

Some imagination you have

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1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

If Allen can't perform with the tools he has now, this trade might really haunt us.

We thought it was bad trading a #1 to move up for Watkins, but this draft is loaded with WR's, and we just gave away a ton of pics for one (albeit a very good one).

I'm cautiously optimistic, just hoping our easy schedule last year is understood in proper context by the coaching staff.

We traded 2 #1's and a 4th for Watkins. The #9 pick is worth more than a #22 + a 4th and 5th. 

 

In fact, the draft value of the 3 picks we gave up for Watkins is more than double the value of the picks we gave up for Diggs.

 

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