Covid-19 discussion and humor thread [Was: CDC says don't touch your face to avoid Covid19...Vets to the rescue!

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Does this mean we will see a picture of a frantic computer with every story about Wall Street instead of the worried traders in smocks on the floor? And how are the computers gonna point and look up in the distance at something we can’t see? 

saw Grasso on TV a few days ago saying the human factor and floor traders was actually still pretty important , but he applauded the move today

[BillsFan4]

35 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

The blame game is not helpful right now. We need to solve this as best we can. We have what we have. Right now that's inadequate testing and hospitals getting bombarded. Our local hospital is re-using masks (unheard of) and asking for mask donations from the public. 

 

Even the most skeptical are coming around to this being a big deal. 

I know. You are right and I am trying. I honestly am. But it’s hard sometimes. It’s just infuriating to read some of these stories (especially knowing that some of this could have been prevented). And it’s infuriating to still see many people not taking this seriously.

 

I’m just scared, and sometimes that fear and anger get the best of me. 

35 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

I work in healthcare.  The mask shortage is real with no end in site.  The CDC back down on the type of mask that should be used for positive patients.  It used to be N95 masks that are actual filters.  CDC now states regular surgical masks are OK.

 

Front line staff are being told if they do receive a N95 that it’s OK to reuse.  That is new based on the shortage.

 

Front line staff are scared for themselves, coworkers and family.  Let alone the other patients we take care of that are hospitalized during this.

 

Not protecting those treating these patients will only infect them which will lead to massive staffing shortages.

 

Ive said this a couple times now, but all of you healthcare workers on the front lines are heroes in my eyes. Thank you for everything you all do. Stay as safe as you can!

Edited March 19, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Halloween Land]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I would be willing to bet a lot of money that UB students returning to school from China at the end of January had it. I uber and picked up a lot of Asian students that all had some type of cold and there was very little testing happening at the time. There was a person that was highly suspected to have it that refused to go to hospital less than a quarter of a mile from my house and Ub in January.   
 

I had an odd cold in the weeks following the students coming back. Had minor sore throat, runny nose and cough but it was hard to breathe and I could only take short breaths. I also gained about 15 lbs in a few days. My feet were really swollen and I struggled to get my shoes on with the laces almost undone(I didn’t see weight gain in any corona symptoms but the dr was really worried when he heard that) My dr refused to allow me in the office when I told them my symptoms and sent me to the ER.
 

On my way to ER I get a call from my dr saying that I won’t be allowed into hospital and to go home. That was my last contact with my primary dr at the beginning of February. No tests or anything just go home.  Others in the area have had similar symptoms but were told the same thing as me. Stay home. 

 

Edit- I have a decent amount of family in law enforcement and health care and they’ve both been hinting that the numbers of infected are much higher than reported but the symptoms are so minor that people don’t go for treatment. 

 

 

How do you feel now? Have you recovered from your sickness? 

[Sundancer]

37 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

I know. You are right and I am trying. I honestly am. But it’s hard sometimes. It’s just infuriating to read some of these stories (especially knowing that some of this could have been prevented). And it’s infuriating to still see many people not taking this seriously.

 

I’m just scared, and sometimes that fear and anger get the best of me. 

 

We are a community right now. This is it. We will be angry, distraught, sad...but in the end, all we are is "we." We can sort out the politics in November. I am all in on supporting anyone trying to help: left, right politician, cashier, healthcare worker, police--you name it.  

 

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Ive said this a couple times now, but all of you healthcare workers on the front lines are heroes in my eyes. Thank you for everything you all do. Stay as safe as you can!

 

My wife is a hospice social worker in a large regional medical system. She may be called to do lots more soon just because bodies are needed. They've been told to expect the call. We should all be ready to throw our backs in to help however works best according to our needs. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Sundancer

[Hardhatharry]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I have a decent amount of family in law enforcement and health care and they’ve both been hinting that the numbers of infected are much higher than reported but the symptoms are so minor that people don’t go for treatment. 

That is good in a way, I have a feeling this will end up affecting the whole population. The trouble right now is to slow it enough to not overwhelm our medical workers. They need to deal with more serious patients, in Italy it is at a point where they can only help those they know they can save and it's leading to many more deaths than need be. Hospitals are really for the elderly and seriously injured. In times like these the elderly get pushed aside to treat people that they know will survive it.

[Not at the table Karlos]

50 minutes ago, Halloween Land said:

How do you feel now? Have you recovered from your sickness? 

I feel fine. Whatever I had lasted about two weeks. That was a little over a month ago. The breathing issue just disappeared one morning. The weight gain went down over a week or two. Other than the breathing issue and weight gain it seemed like just a mild cold that lasted a little longer than normal. Don’t think anyone I came in contact with got it.
 

But there was a decent amount of people in the Chestnut Ridge area in Amherst near Ub north that had similar symptoms. Picking up people from the Asian market in the old Walmart on blvd I noticed a lot of them had cold or flu symptoms as well. Want to be clear nothing was confirmed just symptoms matched with me. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Not at the table Karlos

[Bill from NYC]

Thank God that you are better.

Was the breathing difficult to the point that you were afraid of choking? Also, was there anything you could do/take to make breathing easier?

[BillsFan4]

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/coronavirus/2020/03/19/wny-disinfectant-kills-cause-of-coronavirus?cid=share_twitter

WNY Disinfectant Kills Cause of CoronavirusWNY Disinfectant Kills Cause of CoronavirusWNY Disinfectant Kills Cause of Coronavirus

 

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Clarence-based Anabec Systems disinfectant solution Anasphere Plus has been on the market for three years.

"We have more than 140-plus kill claims, not just viruses but bacteria as well as mold,” said Nancy Ewing, Anabec Inc. president.

This weekend, the game changed though when the Environmental Protection Agency confirmed the product kills SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Coronavirus.

It was one of just a few hundred products to get the certification.

 

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She says the phones have been ringing non-stop since the certification, so Anabec is partnering with another local company, Williamsville-based Sartivite, to be the master distributor.

 

"We really want to go after very hots pots ... government buildings, schools, universities. SUNY would be a perfect example,” said Richard Bruno,  Sartivite president and CEO.

 

WNY helping the cause! 

[Bob in Mich]

17 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Thank God that you are better.

Was the breathing difficult to the point that you were afraid of choking? Also, was there anything you could do/take to make breathing easier?

 

(Note I have no medical training)

If interested, check out the PPP thread  'Know Anyone with a Disease'.  It is a medical cannabis thread that I began years ago.  My latest postings talk about breathing relief that I have been experiencing.  I have no idea if others are experiencing this too or if anyone else is using this 'treatment'.  I can tell you though that it works for me and the deeper breaths are wonderful.

 

Obviously, the 'treatment' I have been using involves cannabis products, though does not involve smoking.  I am not selling anything.  You would need to acquire the medicine on your own. 

 

This is currently the last page of that thread.

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/169052-know-anyone-with-a-disease-read-this/page/80/#comments

Edited March 19, 2020 by Bob in Mich

[Wacka]

This virus was first sequenced in January. The test was developed in February. The reason they don’t have millions of tests is that it takes time to manufacture them. You can’t just snap your fingers and have them up here. This is not a dream of Jeannie or bewitched. The time between sequencing the virus and producing test kits what is the fastest ever. 

[CountDorkula]

17 minutes ago, Wacka said:

This virus was first sequenced in January. The test was developed in February. The reason they don’t have millions of tests is that it takes time to manufacture them. You can’t just snap your fingers and have them up here. This is not a dream of Jeannie or bewitched. The time between sequencing the virus and producing test kits what is the fastest ever. 

 

This has been proven false, nearly 10,000 times already.

[Not at the table Karlos]

37 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Thank God that you are better.

Was the breathing difficult to the point that you were afraid of choking? Also, was there anything you could do/take to make breathing easier?

Breathing with whatever I had felt like there was something stopping my lungs from expanding like something hugging them and a pain deeper in my chest when I tried to take normal - deeper breaths. 
 

I want to say again that nothing was confirmed as covid-19. I don’t want to spread info that could be about something else. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

 

This has been proven false, nearly 10,000 times already.

 

...thought I read WHO offered CDC valid kits in January but CDC refused, wanting to develop their own....first iteration failed and weeks went by until it was fixed.....

[Bill from NYC]

17 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Breathing with whatever I had felt like there was something stopping my lungs from expanding like something hugging them and a pain deeper in my chest when I tried to take normal - deeper breaths. 
 

I want to say again that nothing was confirmed as covid-19. I don’t want to spread info that could be about something else. 

Did you try any OTC meds like Nyquil, etc.?

[BillsFan4]

Felt like this was worth sharing.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8129633/Being-young-WONT-spare-coronavirus-CDC-study-warns.html

 

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Younger American adults are also at risk of becoming seriously ill because of the novel coronavirus, a new report reveals. 

 

Although those who are oldest, aged 80 and above, have the greatest risk of dying, a sizeable portion of those hospitalized were younger, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

 

Among 508 patients known to have been hospitalized between February 12 and March 16, 38 percent were between ages 20 and 54.

 

And roughly 47 percent of 121 patients taken to intensive care units were under age age 65, the CDC found.

 

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Researchers found that 20 percent of those hospitalized and 12 percent of those in intensive care were ages 20 to 44, essentially the millennial generation.

 

'I think everyone should be paying attention to this,' Dr Stephen Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health, who was not involved in the report, told The New York Times. 

 

'It's not just going to be the elderly. There will be people age 20 and up. They do have to be careful, even if they think that they're young and healthy.' 

The research contradicts the notion that younger people are not at risk from serious coronavirus infections, though it supports the conclusion that older people are most at risk from fatal complications. 

 

Of the 44 people who deaths were discussed in the report, 20 were between ages 65 to 84 and 12 were aged 85 or older. 

 

Nine deaths among adults age 20 to 64 and none were reported in those aged 19 or younger.  

 

 

It links to a CDC report:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w#F1_down

[Sundancer]

14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...thought I read WHO offered CDC valid kits in January but CDC refused, wanting to develop their own....first iteration failed and weeks went by until it was fixed.....

 

However we got here doesn't matter at the moment (it will for future planning and we can look forward to that day). We are here now, without adequate tests, not tracing down infected networks of people, simple supplies like masks, and more complicated supplies like ventilators. We just need to get through it somehow.

 

Let's just be there for each other and especially medical workers. 

[plenzmd1]

Wheres Fauci been last two days?

[Sundancer]

5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Wheres Fauci been last two days?

 

He seems to be the straightest shooter. Definitely missing him and people notice his absence. 

 

 

[Wacka]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Wheres Fauci been last two days?

Running the CDC, his position. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Sundancer said:

China new cases to 0 does not mean it is over. But it is good news. Very easy to start contagion again if all movement restrictions are lifted though. This will be our issue in the US in particular. Once we get on top of this, which will take longer, we will need to stay on top of it by staying in our communities, not exposing ourselves to many others, not just launching back to the old normal. It will need to be a slow climb back to protect the bubble from resurging. We need to get to the no new cases point first, then let experts guide the next steps and follow them. 
 

Unlike the responses that worked in China, the US communities are already starting to give up on tracing contacts citing spread via “normal activity,” which shows a lack of commitment to quarantine and tracing efforts (national database and contact mapping would seem so so easy for this...Facebook for Covid) compared to Korea, Singapore, Japan, and China. This is not good news. By not doing this, it may take longer to reach containment. As suspected by many, the west may lack the backbone to get on this in a way that makes the most difference early. 

 

Hapless: upstream my reference to you was just about the dire need for more testing Since you’ve been beating that drum so hard. Nothing more. 
 

On that topic of testing the admin’s primary strategy right now is distancing, not testing, due to continued lack of test availability to meet needs. Tough to read this knowing testing is a key to managing and resuming normalcy. Focusing the tests on elderly and healthcare workers is fine because we continue to literally have no choice but the low symptom folk may then carry and spread obliviously. No tracing, no testing is the opposite of Korea and Japan.  
 

 

Thanks.  On the topic of beating the testing drum hard, not just me

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/test-test-test-who-says-as-us-flounders-with-covid-19-response/?fbclid=IwAR0sotgDB4GOGEKX94iQl4Toaz17KoU00M1pQK0X62B8AdFBjelTdpNtCIg

 

We can not return to a semblence of normality in any reasonable length of time if we don't test.  If our supply of testing reagents is limited, we need to get on our knees and grovel to anyone who has what we need - China, Taiwan, S. Korea, Japan, whomever.

 

Or we need to go full-court-press after a different sort of test - one based on an anti-Covid antibody, perhaps.  We have several major Pharma companies who have the expertise to turn out a monoclonal PDQ *cough* *cough*.  It would still take several months to go that route, though.

We could do initial screening testing of contacts and travelers 5 days post-contact, and symptomatic, but not severely ill people with Biomedomic's 15 minute IgM/IgG test (it reads out a Pg test and can be done on site).  It seems to have a relatively good false positive rate, but a poor false negative rate.  If you're positive by Biomedomic's test, quarantine; if you're negative and wish to leave quarantine,  or continue to show symptoms, you need an RT-PCR test.

There are alternatives.

[plenzmd1]

7 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Running the CDC, his position. 

Uhmm, no not even close. And even if that was correct, him being the center of these briefings and then suddenly not being on them is disturbing to say the least

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Running the CDC, his position. 

 

No.  Fauci has never been head of the CDC, worked at the CDC, nor is he currently running it. 

 

Fauci is head of NiAID, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is part of NIH.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

 

He is part of the White House Task Force on covid-19.  He has made several truthful statements about the development of covid-19 testing etc that are essentially critical of how it was handled.

 

I expect he is currently residing in a doghouse somewhere.

 

 

39 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Felt like this was worth sharing.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8129633/Being-young-WONT-spare-coronavirus-CDC-study-warns.html

 

 

 

 

It links to a CDC report:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w#F1_down

 

A more popularized account of this from ABC news.  Bottom line, if you're young and healthy, do NOT think that means you won't develop a serious case of covid-19 disease or require hospitalization.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/40-hospitalized-coronavirus-younger-54-cdc/story?id=69681304

[Not at the table Karlos]

45 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Did you try any OTC meds like Nyquil, etc.?

No just emergenC and normal multi vitamin.  

[Warcodered]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

There's an APP for That!

MIT develops tracking app for Covid-19.  Depends upon everyone participating.

 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/apps/a31742763/covid-19-app-private-kit-safe-paths/

 

Update: this is actually a pretty cool idea.  It's kind of like Tile for Covid.

 

"Private Kit" traces your location and keeps it private.  If you are diagnosed with covid-19, you can release the data (anonymized) so that others can see where they may have come into contact with a diagnosed person.

 

Lot of details, but sounds like a reasonable way to do what China did authoratarianly, by harvesting EVERYONE's location-tracking data off their cell phones: keep your data private until/unless you have a Public Health reason to share it.

[DrDawkinstein]

I'd just like to take a moment of remembrance to honor the victims of this Coronavirus (thread). Namely, me and DC Tom. ?

 

Just goes to show, no one is safe or immune.

[aristocrat]

italy went from 4500 cases to 12k in about 5 days. The US is going to do it in less than 4.  

[Sundancer]

6 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

italy went from 4500 cases to 12k in about 5 days. The US is going to do it in less than 4.  

 

We have more patient 0 entry points than Italy I bet. So they have exponential growth in 1 region. We have exponential growth in many. We are sure to dwarf most other countries soon unless India gets on the board. If this hits India, look out. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Sundancer

[K-9]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

Wheres Fauci been last two days?

I’m resisting every urge to chime in with an opinion. I’ll just say I haven’t seen him or Redfield since they testified to Congress last week. 

55 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Running the CDC, his position. 

That’s Redfield. 

[Lurker]

13 minutes ago, K-9 said:

 I’ll just say I haven’t seen him or Redfield since they testified to Congress last week. 

 

On CNN last night...

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/03/19/dr-anthony-fauci-young-people-coronavirus-swine-flu-cpt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

 

Three hours ago....

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/melania-trump-fauci-to-appear-in-psas-on-coronavirus/

 

30 minutes ago....

 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Lurker

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

On CNN last night...

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/03/19/dr-anthony-fauci-young-people-coronavirus-swine-flu-cpt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

 

Three hours ago....

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/melania-trump-fauci-to-appear-in-psas-on-coronavirus/

 

30 minutes ago....

 

 

 

While I haven’t seen his appearances on any of those links either, especially on Fox News, which I stopped watching years ago, I was referring specifically to not seeing him appear alongside the other members of the Covid-19 task force. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

However we got here doesn't matter at the moment (it will for future planning and we can look forward to that day). We are here now, without adequate tests, not tracing down infected networks of people, simple supplies like masks, and more complicated supplies like ventilators. We just need to get through it somehow.

 

Let's just be there for each other and especially medical workers. 

 

...by no means an attempt to politicize it...if that was my intention , I would have referenced a political party or politician.....however if, IF the reported delay with CDC is true, its policies should be reviewed well down the road so a similar delay does not happen again...……….

[Sundancer]

14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...by no means an attempt to politicize it...if that was my intention , I would have referenced a political party or politician.....however if, IF the reported delay with CDC is true, its policies should be reviewed well down the road so a similar delay does not happen again...……….

 

Agreed 100%. Being prepared for much of this would have taken so little $$ (in a federal budget) that we should ensure we're ready next time. 

 

- coordinated response plans

- centralized decision and resource planning ("governors, go buy what you need from vendors" is not a great way to allocate resources. If there are 10 cases in Nebraska and 900 in New York, New York needs more resources) ... I hate federal government bloat but central planning in a time like this is why Rome appointed dictators and sometimes you need a government dictator to make decisions in crisis

- backup supplies in adequate numbers (at least basic supplies...it would be hard to keep 100,000 ventilators on hand)

- basic testing reagent ramp up plan in place so we can go from low numbers to high in a hurry

 

I am sure others can think of things, but for sure this will have to take place when smarter people than me sit down to review this pandemic. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Sundancer

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Agreed 100%. Being prepared for much of this would have taken so little $$ (in a federal budget) that we should ensure we're ready next time. 

 

- coordinated response plans

- centralized decision and resource planning ("governors, go buy what you need from vendors" is not a great way to allocate resources. If there are 10 cases in Nebraska and 900 in New York, New York needs more resources) ...

 

We had all of this and more ready to go as of January 2017 from lessons learned in the H1N1 crisis.

[hemma]

I have been delivering packages (~130 stops per day) for the last 6 months and lately, have been trying to use hand cleaner every 3 or 4 minutes ++ stop touching my face.  'Discipline' definitely wasn't working as I would start forgetting within an hour. 

 

Yesterday, early AM I bought a 100 pack of disposable, latex free vinyl gloves at Home Depot ... for $10.78.  I put on a pair before I walked out my back door to go to work and took them off/trashed them when I got home last night.

 

I am 100% sure I didn't touch my face for > 8 hours.  Wearing the gloves makes your hands feel 'different' and I wasn't even tempted to touch my face.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Wacka said:

This virus was first sequenced in January. The test was developed in February. The reason they don’t have millions of tests is that it takes time to manufacture them. You can’t just snap your fingers and have them up here. This is not a dream of Jeannie or bewitched. The time between sequencing the virus and producing test kits what is the fastest ever. 

 

So, errrrr.....Maybe I'm missing the point, but how are Taiwan, China, Singapore, S. Korea, and essentially every other country managing to make many thousands more tests available so quickly?

Seegene had S. Korea's test kit developed by Feb 5th, and it was approved a week later.  They quickly ramped up to test 10,000 people per day, and are now at 15,000 people per day.  Extensive testing is one significant reason why, despite setbacks like church sects spraying virus contaminated salt water into people's mouths, they are on a different disease trajectory.

S. Korea has to date tested 230,000 people [Edit: 290,000].  We've tested what, 40,000 total? [Edit: 60,000]. Their test may not be perfect (but neither is ours) but they are containing the disease with apparently far less impact on business and daily life.

 

I pointed out elsewhere U of Washington was able, once approved Mar 2, to start testing 1000 people a day and now up to 1500/day.  We have at least 6 medical school virology departments I can think of, maybe as many as 12, with the ability for similar performance.   That would be an additional 6,000-12,000 tests per day.

The U of Washington guys started test development before they got permission, everyone else waited until the CDC finally granted permission at the end of February.

 

Edit: by the way, the Seegene test development story as presented in the above link is a bit surreal.  Read it.  Bolding mine.  That blows my mind.

The next hurdle was getting the test approved for use. It can take a year-and-a-half to submit the necessary documents to South Korea's authorities and get it approved. This time, it took a week.

 

Lee Dae-hoon, who led the team of scientists working to develop the coronavirus test kit, has spent his whole life working on diseases. He's never seen the KCDC approve a test kit so fast. 

 

On February 12, Seegene got sign off, thanks to KCDC expediting the process. It was only then that the scientists only knew for certain that their test worked, as the government had evaluated the test using their own patient samples.

EDIT: more about how Korea facilitated getting testing in place so quickly.  It came from the top, Korea CDC holding meetings with testing companies and saying "we want a test asap, develop it and we will fast-track approval"

 

[BillsFan4]

Anyone listening to the Adam Silver interview on ESPN? 

 

He said part of the reason the NBA decided to suspend play so quickly last Wednesday was to raise public awareness of how serious this situation is. I read NHL insiders saying the same thing about the NHL’s decision. 

 

I do think it had a major impact on raising awareness. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Sundancer]

9 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Anyone listening to the Adam Silver interview on ESPN? 

 

He said part of the reason the NBA decided to suspend play so quickly last Wednesday was to raise public awareness of how serious this situation is. I read NHL insiders saying the same thing about the NHL’s decision. 

 

I do think it had a major impact on raising awareness. 

 

That night was the tipping point for sure. It was coming regardless but that was the moment this went from blithe ignorance to forefront of consciousness.

 

I was on the phone yesterday with some people from Buffalo. They know it's coming but I could tell they still don't get what's about to hit in a week or so. My brother and his girlfriend are nurses in Buffalo. He gets what's about to happen but only theoretically. Some people won't buy it until they see photos of their friends in the middle of this, which is part of what lead to our slow reaction as a country.  

Edited March 19, 2020 by Sundancer

[Steptide]

3 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

That night was the tipping point for sure. It was coming regardless but that was the moment this went from blithe ignorance to forefront of consciousness.

 

I was on the phone yesterday with some people from Buffalo. They know it's coming but I could tell they still don't get what's about to hit in a week or so. My brother is a nurse in Buffalo. He gets what's about to happen but only theoretically. Some people won't buy it until they see photos of their friends in the middle of this. 

I don't know what to think. Part of me thinks two weeks from now everything will be back to normal, and another part of me thinks 2 weeks from now nobody will be allowed to leave their house