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[Cripple Creek]

On 2/29/2020 at 3:17 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

And be FINE in cap shape moving forward. There really is no such thing as “cap problems” unless you’re totally incompetent.

Do you follow hockey?

3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Could have been said it a lot less words...

 

it depends

Top this.

 

maybe

[whatdrought]

Ugh. Just realized free agency is a week later than I thought. Stupid NFL stretching everything out. 

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Do you follow hockey?

Top this.

 

maybe

Yep

[BillsFan4]

4 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Could have been said it a lot less words...

 

it depends

He goes into a lot more detail in the article. 

[njbuff]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

hasn't the franchise/transition tag been used barely at all in the past few years? why all of a sudden the mass rush to tag players?

Soon there will be nobody left in FA who might have been on the Bills radar.

 

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[H2o]

Franchise Tags being thrown around like pancakes at IHOP. 

[Punching Bag]

On 2/29/2020 at 6:01 PM, DJB said:

 

Interesting I thought he had missed more. I know in the past he missed lots of time

 

He graded out well at pff. 78 overall

From Pro Football Reference.  2013, 2017 were bad years.

		Game	Game	Off.	Off.	ST	ST
Year	Age	G	GS	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
Care	Care			5277		360
2012	23	9	9	577	52%	42	9%
2014	25	15	15	926	88%	83	19%
2015	26	12	12	807	70%	37	8%
2016	27	16	16	1056	97%	76	17%
2017	28	5	5	232	22%	16	4%
2018	29	14	14	781	73%	54	12%
2019	30	16	16	898	83%	52	12%

 

[Rc2catch]

12 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Soon there will be nobody left in FA who might have been on the Bills radar.

 

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Lol on the bills radar or fans radar? 
I highly doubt they were looking at signing half of those guys. 

[njbuff]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

Lol on the bills radar or fans radar? 
I highly doubt they were looking at signing half of those guys. 

More likely the fans radar.

 

I was basically being tongue n cheek.

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Well we know they would've at least pursued AJ Green....

Says who?

[Saint Doug]

2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Do you follow hockey?

Top this.

 

maybe

Hockey is much different. Contracts are fully guaranteed and teams cannot cut players (without their expressed consent) to get cap relief. The only way to get cap relief is through a trade or contract termination (which is relatively rare). 

[JDubya76]

7 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

Hockey is much different. Contracts are fully guaranteed and teams cannot cut players (without their expressed consent) to get cap relief. The only way to get cap relief is through a trade or contract termination (which is relatively rare). 

Or to send them to the minors. They do risk losing them for nothing if they send them down.

[DJB]

 

 

I wouldn't pay more than a 3rd for Odell. 

 

Doesn't scream "process guy" and to me hes still a "me" player and a

 loose cannon

 

Let the Jets give up a first for him lol

Edited March 3, 2020 by DJB

[Big Blitz]

15 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

This I do not agree with. Milano has been very good, arguably great, when healthy. But if I'm hypothetically picking between paying Milano $13 million per year or paying Ngakoue $20 million per year, I think it's a toss-up and might lean towards Ngakoue.

 

As for Poyer & Hyde, they've both proven to be among the best safeties in the league. I don't think we will want to pay both of them; it's just too much to invest in the position.

 

I think LB and safety are both in play at #22 for us but we shall see in April.

 

 

Safety yes.  LB no.  CB also in play imo.  

[hjnick]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

This team needs top end playmakers. Odell Beckham is ABSOLUTELY that and exactly what the Bills need. You have to take some chances to get over the top. The Bills had a deal in place for Antonio Brown last year and he’s an infinitely worse person. You don’t get a chance at guys like this often. Beckham makes the Bills a contender.
 

We need to stop fearing talent and push the chips in. Windows don’t stay open long in this league. You need to role the dice sometimes and hope you’re right. The Chiefs have Tyreke Hill (WAY, WAY, WAY worse person). They also traded for Frank Clark (also a terrible person) and traded away Dee Ford. They made some ultra-aggressive decisions and won the Super Bowl.

Tyreke and Frank might be bad people off the field, but have been good players and teammates.

 

ODB is a potential cancer in the locker room when he doesn't get the ball enough.  Supposedly, he was courting other teams while he was playing against them... that sounds like a guy that's all about himself.

 

Now, like you said, would I take that chance on ODB? Yes, if it's at my asking price, which for this year and this crop of WR's coming out... is LOW.  I'd rather take my chances on a college WR and roll the dice, plus I don't take the cap hit (~14MIL) with a rookie like I do with ODB.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, hjnick said:

Tyreke and Frank might be bad people off the field, but have been good players and teammates.

 

ODB is a potential cancer in the locker room when he doesn't get the ball enough.  Supposedly, he was courting other teams while he was playing against them... that sounds like a guy that's all about himself.

 

Now, like you said, would I take that chance on ODB? Yes, if it's at my asking price, which for this year and this crop of WR's coming out... is LOW.  I'd rather take my chances on a college WR and roll the dice, plus I don't take the cap hit (~14MIL) with a rookie like I do with ODB.

 

I agree that there’s risk but there is risk with the guys that I mentioned. Clark and Hill have been horrible human beings and if they were to repeat past behaviors would be suspended. Beckham doesn’t have that hanging over his head. The Bills had a deal for Antonio Brown last year. He’s worse on the field and off the field than Beckham!! He has  (to a lesser degree) the domestic issues of Hill and Clark. He also has been a HORRIBLE teammate. In addition to yelling for the ball, he ripped his QB, organization, young receiver, the league, etc... I know it to be true that the Bills had an agreement in place for him. He’s a bad guy. 
 

Beane knows that he needs ELITE playmakers not more playmakers. Personally, I’d give up 22 for Beckham in a second, especially if the top 3 receivers are gone (and I think a 2nd would get it done). While I think guys like Jefferson are going to be really good pros, I already know Beckham is. He’s a guy that they have to game plan against. He’d be the only guy besides Josh on the roster like that. With the Bills cap situation I have no issue with paying stars. OBJ is that.

 

In terms of fracturing a locker room the Bills leadership is strong. FWIW, Beckham’s teammates have always liked him. He just demands the ball. In a good locker room (which he has yet to see) he may actually be an even better player. 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[Dkollidas]

18 hours ago, DCOrange said:

It's kind of weird how we have people insisting the Bills don't have enough cap space to bring in a free agent like Ngakoue and also have people arguing that we should not only bring in Ngakoue, but also roughly double the amount of money to do so by taking Foles too. A move like this would pretty much mean we're waiting on giving out the big extensions right? 

 

Would we need to wait one year before we could cut Foles or can the team that acquires him then immediately cut him and recognize cap savings? I can't remember exactly how it worked with the Osweiler deal.

Well I would assume a lot of people view signing Ngakoue nervously because it’ll be a long term deal. At this point, we have the ability to absorb the Nick Foles contract for one year, and basically have that money ready for 2021 extensions for Tre White and Dion Dawkins. 
 

I like Ngakoue. I believe Beane is willing to spend cap on an edge rusher. I don’t believe he’s willing to spend the cap AND draft capital though for one guy. 

[Foxx]

11 hours ago, H2o said:

Franchise Tags being thrown around like pancakes at IHOP. 

what's up with that?

[DCOrange]

Not a rumor, but the more I've thought about it, the more I think we might see Beane pursue Paul Richardson as a free agent. There were rumors we were one of the teams most interested in him back when he ultimately signed with Washington and he would make a lot of sense for us still today.

[BigBuff423]

4 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Not a rumor, but the more I've thought about it, the more I think we might see Beane pursue Paul Richardson as a free agent. There were rumors we were one of the teams most interested in him back when he ultimately signed with Washington and he would make a lot of sense for us still today.

 

I don't know about him specifically, but *that* is the type of FA WR I think Beane targets given the totality of circumstances and the state of the roster. In a Draft deep at WR, it makes a lot of sense to address the other areas that need improvement via FA and then use your Draft capital on the deepest position in the Draft. Only Beane et. al. know definitively what their approach will be, but IMHO, it just makes too much sense to do anything else....UNLESS, the Bills trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick for a good WR.