Augie Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He will be on a rookie contract no matter where he ends up. What point are you trying to make? Even under a rookie deal, the #1 overall pick makes some pretty serious money. Nothing like the second contract, but SERIOUS money. (At least to people with “little jobs”.....thank you Sammy! That never gets old.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Augie said: Even under a rookie deal, the #1 overall pick makes some pretty serious money. Nothing like the second contract, but SERIOUS money. (At least to people with “little jobs”.....thank you Sammy! That never gets old.) He's going #1, no matter where that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Falcons old QB Bartkowski told Burrows he should make a power play & use his history to tell the NFL where he wants to go rather than go to a bad team in rebuild mode because it could do him more harm than good . Says he should pull a Eli !! https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/article240375566.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) https://www.nfl.com/prospects/joe-burrow?id=32194255-5267-9731-81c8-48673dcec5e2 Joe Burrows NFL scouting report Lance Zeirlein * Below average arm strength * Scheme fit necessary *Needs perfect timing for NFL out breaking throws Not good negatives for the league. And I thought them all at 1 point Edited February 20, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I’ve seen this movie before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 So if the player doesn't want to play for a certain team, player can seat out the year and make himself available for the draft again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 2/18/2020 at 5:34 AM, gonzo1105 said: Well his only real choice if the the Bengals draft him is sitting out a year and reentering the draft in 2021. If he does that he’ll be 25 at the end of his first year and 30 at the end of his first contract if he’s good. He isn’t a 21 year old he’d be prudent to start his career right away to try squeezing two big contracts out before he’s done He can do what another QB has done let team know he will not play for them and let them choose to trade pick or pick him and trade him like was done with Eli Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Burrow reminds me a little bit of Carson Palmer. I think Burrow might be a better prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 14 hours ago, billsherd said: So if the player doesn't want to play for a certain team, player can seat out the year and make himself available for the draft again? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 8:27 PM, Buffalo716 said: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/joe-burrow?id=32194255-5267-9731-81c8-48673dcec5e2 Joe Burrows NFL scouting report Lance Zeirlein * Below average arm strength * Scheme fit necessary *Needs perfect timing for NFL out breaking throws Not good negatives for the league. And I thought them all at 1 point NFL Comparison Kurt Warner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, Julio Hopkins said: NFL Comparison Kurt Warner Yea comparing any rookie prospect to a HoFr is totally off base And his grade doesn't even reflect that. I'm pretty sure Warner would be 8.0 perfect prospect or atleast 7.4 perennial all pro Burrow reminds me of a more athletic Matt Ryan with less arm strength. Comparing any prospect to a HoFr is ridiculous, unless it's a John Elway prospect Which he isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Yea comparing any rookie prospect to a HoFr is totally off base And his grade doesn't even reflect that. I'm pretty sure Warner would be 8.0 perfect prospect or atleast 7.4 perennial all pro Burrow reminds me of a more athletic Matt Ryan with less arm strength. Comparing any prospect to a HoFr is ridiculous, unless it's a John Elway prospect Which he isnt I hate making comparisons, but the guy you're using as a scouting report is comparing him to Kurt Warner. I disagree with those weaknesses, I also disagree with you saying Burrow isn't a John Elway prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, Julio Hopkins said: I hate making comparisons, but the guy you're using as a scouting report is comparing him to Kurt Warner. I disagree with those weaknesses, I also disagree with you saying Burrow isn't a John Elway prospect. Joe burrows took 5 years to dominate. I'm sorry but he was the oldest guy on the field every time last year. He should look good And i just posted it because Zeirlein posted it on NFL As for being a Generational type prospect he most certainly isn't. Guys like Luck and Elway dominated within their first two years. Luck was a stud as a freshman, that shows his potential.. Elway was known for the ELWAY CROSS as a freshman Burrow took 5 years. He is good but not on that level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 10:38 PM, Reed83HOF said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28726662/joe-burrow-says-bengals-no-1-draft-pick-leverage "I do have leverage," the former LSU quarterback said, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, during a reception in Fort Worth in which he accepted the Davey O'Brien Award. "[The Bengals] have their process and I have my process. We haven't even gotten to the [NFL] combine yet. There's a lot of things that happen leading up to the draft and a lot of information gathered." I Could be wrong, but I actually think this is totally false— as in he never said “I have leverage.” try to find an interview with him saying it. I could be wrong, but I read the Fort Worth articles on this and watched the embedded video interview of him, and he never says “I have leverage.” Plus the writer is a huge Bengals hater (bitter former Bengals fan), and is trying to get Burrow to boycott the Bengals, so has a clear agenda. check out the interview in this article: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/article240375566.html and this article: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article240363256.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yea comparing any rookie prospect to a HoFr is totally off base And his grade doesn't even reflect that. I'm pretty sure Warner would be 8.0 perfect prospect or atleast 7.4 perennial all pro Burrow reminds me of a more athletic Matt Ryan with less arm strength. Comparing any prospect to a HoFr is ridiculous, unless it's a John Elway prospect Which he isnt Maybe they are making comparison at same experience level. Warner certainly was not all pro when he was brought in as backup (or was it backup to backup?) from grocery stocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/18/2020 at 6:20 PM, notwoz said: Is it possible ... even conceivable ... that his mother is lying through her teeth? My guess is that the whole family is blinded by $ signs. On 2/18/2020 at 8:02 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Of course it's possible, but if the whole family is blinded by $ signs wouldn't that include Burrows? Absent evidence to the contrary, it always seems easier to me to assume that people pretty much say what they mean, and mean what they say. Assuming that someone is lying through their teeth, absent some kind of evidence, is like hearing hoofbeats and thinking of Zebras. As I note above, I think this may be false reporting. I can’t find him actually saying “I have leverage.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, Limeaid said: Maybe they are making comparison at same experience level. Warner certainly was not all pro when he was brought in as backup (or was it backup to backup?) from grocery stocking. Well Warner was an UDFA so I don't think he's implying Burrows should be undrafted He's comparing him to the HoF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) For the love of GOD people it’s Joe BurrOW.... Edited February 21, 2020 by billsfanmiami(oh) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, billsfanmiami(oh) said: For the love of GOD people it’s Joe BurrOW.... I know that and my phone autocorrects it to Burrows every time lol I don't like to keep deleting it It's a message board don't be the grammar guy .. pretend it's plural lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I know that and my phone autocorrects it to Burrows every time lol I don't like to keep deleting it It's a message board don't be the grammar guy .. pretend it's plural lol I can’t help myself it’s a sickness! I don’t mind grammar mistakes, hell I’m plenty guilty of that. But the getting a guys name wrong thing really grinds my gears for some reason. I’m glad I didn’t end up destroying my TV while we had “Ryan Fitzgerald” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, billsfanmiami(oh) said: I can’t help myself it’s a sickness! I don’t mind grammar mistakes, hell I’m plenty guilty of that. But the getting a guys name wrong thing really grinds my gears for some reason. I’m glad I didn’t end up destroying my TV while we had “Ryan Fitzgerald” I will make sure I delete that stupid S that my phone keeps putting on the end of his name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/18/2020 at 10:56 PM, Steve O said: There were several Philip Rivers in 83. Next QB after Elway was Todd Blackledge at 7, some guy named Jim Kelly went at 14, then Tony Eason at 15. Marino went at 27 shortly after O'Brien. What Elway had for leverage along with baseball was the USFL option. Damn, man, you're right, I'm wrong. Sorry. Must have been too tired when I wrote that. Because it was just a stupid mistake. When I make them, I like to own up, and that was a genuinely stupid mistake on my part. Thanks for the correction. Having said that, you're right about the leverage in '83, but any QB as good as Burrows is has leverage ... if he wants to use it. Burrows may or may not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 7:27 PM, Buffalo716 said: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/joe-burrow?id=32194255-5267-9731-81c8-48673dcec5e2 Joe Burrows NFL scouting report Lance Zeirlein * Below average arm strength * Scheme fit necessary *Needs perfect timing for NFL out breaking throws Not good negatives for the league. And I thought them all at 1 point Prospect Grade 7.07 PRO BOWL TALENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Lurker said: Prospect Grade 7.07 PRO BOWL TALENT I'm not debating his grade. I pointed out his weaknesses from Zeirleins report and those 3 are bad negatives to have in the league And he gives lots of QBs high grades. The grades are irrelevant. What matters are his pros and cons And yes he has alot of good attributes but he isn't a perfect prospect and his lack of arm strength will show in the league. He left OSU because he wasn't gonna start... There hasn't been a prospect with that kinda rise between his JR SR year in a long time. There hasn't been a top pick that I can remember with average arm strength He is already fully developed so his floor is a good QB in the right system. he will be a day 1 starter... I don't see Aaron Rodgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 10:47 PM, Gugny said: I'm no college football fan, but it seems to me this kid only had one solid year as a starter. Solid? It may have been the greatest season a college QB has ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, cle23 said: Solid? It may have been the greatest season a college QB has ever had. That is absolutely true. He also took 5 years to blossom and his past tape left alot to be desired He is a clean prospect but he doesn't have the Highest NFL potential imo. He will be a solid starter , even from day 1 , he can make some pro bowls I just don't see him on the Rodgers , Brees , Brady , Mahomes level.. top tier all pro Edited February 21, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: That is absolutely true. He also took 5 years to blossom and his past tape left alot to be desired He is a clean prospect but he doesn't have the Highest NFL potential imo. He will be a solid starter , even from day 1 , he can make some pro bowls I just don't see him on the Rodgers , Brees , Brady , Mahomes level.. top tier all pro Well....to be fair...23 teams didn't see Rodgers, 31 teams didn't see Brady, 10 teams didn't see Mahomes and 198 draft picks didn't see Brady on their level "top tier all pro" It highlights the uncertainty of the draft process, even with full-time professionals devoting all their attention to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 His only leverage is to sit out the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 49 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: His only leverage is to sit out the draft. Yup. I don’t blame him for not wanting to play for the Bungles. He can do his best to avoid that, but he has virtually no real leverage. He might have to suck it up and force his way out later. Play out his four plus fifth year option, then make them franchise him every year until they finally have to trade him or let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 hours ago, cle23 said: Solid? It may have been the greatest season a college QB has ever had. Who had the greatest season in college before him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well....to be fair...23 teams didn't see Rodgers, 31 teams didn't see Brady, 10 teams didn't see Mahomes and 198 draft picks didn't see Brady on their level "top tier all pro" It highlights the uncertainty of the draft process, even with full-time professionals devoting all their attention to it True, the draft is a crapshoot.. but Rodgers arm was much better than Burrow.. he had a live arm with great mobility.. alot of people thought he should go 1 over Alex Smith Same with Mahomes... Lots didn't know of he could translate from that offense to the league.. his physical gifts were top notch Brady is just the outlier. He was a scrawny kid with a noodle arm but great intangibles. He also had a great frame to add weight and now is 6'4 225 and developed a big arnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Kid has a sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VinceFerragamo Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Heisman QBs are a waste of time, Staubach and Plunkett are the ony two, to win a SB. thats 2 of 34. Plunkett didnt matter till his 3rd team. stay away from Heisman QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Report: Panthers will make a push to acquire No. 1 pick Originally posted on Sportsnaut | By Matt Johnson | Last updated 2/24/20 The Cincinnati Bengals are expected to take Joe Burrow with the No. 1 pick in the 2020 NFL Draft barring a godfather offer . It now appears increasingly likely that the Carolina Panthers might explore making that offer. According to Pro Football Network’s Benjamin Allbright, there’s increasing belief around the NFL that the Panthers will make a push to move up to the No. 1 pick. Panthers owner David Tepper has shown a willingness to do whatever it takes to get what he wants. He lured Matt Rhule away from Baylor with a seven-year, $60 million contract and convinced Joe Brady to leave the LSU Tigers for Carolina. While the cost to move up from the No. 6 overall selection to the top pick might be exorbitant, the Panthers might believe Joe Burrow is exactly the quarterback they need. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-panthers-will-make-a-push-to-acquire-no-1-pick/ar-BB10lrFM?li=BBnba9I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, VinceFerragamo said: Heisman QBs are a waste of time, Staubach and Plunkett are the ony two, to win a SB. thats 2 of 34. Plunkett didnt matter till his 3rd team. stay away from Heisman QBs Can't argue with this logic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 He sounds thrilled. Just missing a “Who Dey!” At the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Report: Panthers will make a push to acquire No. 1 pick Originally posted on Sportsnaut | By Matt Johnson | Last updated 2/24/20 The Cincinnati Bengals are expected to take Joe Burrow with the No. 1 pick in the 2020 NFL Draft barring a godfather offer . It now appears increasingly likely that the Carolina Panthers might explore making that offer. According to Pro Football Network’s Benjamin Allbright, there’s increasing belief around the NFL that the Panthers will make a push to move up to the No. 1 pick. Panthers owner David Tepper has shown a willingness to do whatever it takes to get what he wants. He lured Matt Rhule away from Baylor with a seven-year, $60 million contract and convinced Joe Brady to leave the LSU Tigers for Carolina. While the cost to move up from the No. 6 overall selection to the top pick might be exorbitant, the Panthers might believe Joe Burrow is exactly the quarterback they need. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-panthers-will-make-a-push-to-acquire-no-1-pick/ar-BB10lrFM?li=BBnba9I This is just connecting the dots with Joe Brady being in Carolina now as OC. If the Bengals trade out of that #1 slot I would be absolutely shocked. 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He sounds thrilled. Just missing a “Who Dey!” At the end Carson Palmer killed it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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