Myles Garrett Still Claiming Racial Slur

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Maybe but attempting to fight it and being angry that it is even suggested would be a good start. 

Welcome to the life of a minority.  Either accept abuse based solely on the color of your skin and just take it.  Or get angry and get called a thug.  
 

 

 

I'm a minority.  I've been called more racial slurs my whole life.  Being called a racial slur of any race is basing it solely on the color of your skin.  

If Garrett didn't swing a helmet, he wouldn't have been criticized.  A regular fight and people wouldn't be so against him.  The helmet is a weapon and no excuse not to be able to control your anger to that point.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I'm a minority.  I've been called more racial slurs my whole life.  Being called a racial slur of any race is basing it solely on the color of your skin.  

If Garrett didn't swing a helmet, he wouldn't have been criticized.  A regular fight and people wouldn't be so against him.  The helmet is a weapon and no excuse not to be able to control your anger to that point.

Being short doesn’t count you know

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I have no idea how you of all people get away with calling people ignorant. And that’s without bringing up the fact that Garrett has a well earned reputation as one of the dirtiest players in the league.

 

 

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You’re not this ignorant are you?  I hope not.  No slur is ok.  But if you are comparing the two, it’s absolutely insane.

 

and I have no idea what happened.  Neither does anyone else so it’s completely garbage to pretend like you do.  Every scouting report on Garrett is that he was a super mild mannered dude who might love art more than football.  

 

Super mild mannered dude.

 

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Being short doesn’t count you know

 

You wouldn't be taller than me even if you wore Timberlands.

Edited February 14, 2020 by Royale with Cheese

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Fine line between "snapping" and not...why many coaches say 'controlled agression'.  Maybe you've played, maybe you haven't, but as a player it is tough to control your emotions when someone provokes you. 

 

Not defending Garrett, but rudolph is not innocent and Pounceys actions were also bad.  Cant know what was said, but you can see a player trying to rip off a players helmet, then charges after him after his own helmet is ripped off.  So....what if rudolph got Garrett's helmet ripped off and garrets neck was injured...cant say I feel bad for what happened

 

I thought one of the more interesting takes on the whole situation was on the 'Lo Down' with Lorenzo Alexander.  Oh, heck, they're a bit hard to find, I'll dig it up for y'all.
https://www.buffalobills.com/video/the-lo-down-with-lorenzo-alexander-x3481  (sorry to not dig up the timestamp)
 

My take on what 'Zo said was that he (by inference, many defensive players around the league) had kind of a "there but for the grace of God go I" reaction - he said something to the effect that in the moment "All you see is Red" and you don't care if there's a helmet in your hand or there's not a helmet in your hand.  He felt a key factor in the situation was that Garrett did not have any of his own teammates around him getting between him and keeping him back.

 

I think Zo would agree with your take "it is tough to control your emotions when someone provokes you".

 

Totally agree that Rudolph has plenty of fault in the whole incident, to me most clearly when he charged after Garrett yelling something after his helmet was ripped off.

 

 

21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Maybe but attempting to fight it and being angry that it is even suggested would be a good start. 

Welcome to the life of a minority.  Either accept abuse based solely on the color of your skin and just take it.  Or get angry and get called a thug. 

 

Er.....you can get angry, and channel that in different ways than clocking a guy in the head with his helmet.

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

 

Super mild mannered dude.

 

 

You wouldn't be taller than me even if you wore Timberlands.

Yes I would

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yes I would

 

The only people in Hawaii that are nearly 6 feet tall are demi-gods and I believe you're a mortal. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Royale with Cheese

[thebandit27]

26 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Maybe but attempting to fight it and being angry that it is even suggested would be a good start. 

Welcome to the life of a minority.  Either accept abuse based solely on the color of your skin and just take it.  Or get angry and get called a thug.  
 

 

Rudolph was pretty adamant about not saying it. I don’t know if I’d say angry, but he’s clearly bothered by it:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2864123-mason-rudolph-denies-myles-garretts-racial-slur-allegation-totally-untrue.amp.html

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I said at the time that claiming this was his best option. I don’t know if it happened or didn’t; I wasn’t there. However, this was CLEARLY his best avenue for sympathy and forgiveness. 

 

going to have to disagree there. And, it's backfired spectacularly.  When your own teammates don't go along with this race-baiting angle, and the Steelers, including Pouncy, do not back you up, you're going to have issues and look even less sympathetic than before.  Fans are forgiving of doing stupid things like Garrett did, but making up horrible accusations--the truth comes out--never help you.  

[IDBillzFan]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I said at the time that claiming this was his best option. I don’t know if it happened or didn’t; I wasn’t there. However, this was CLEARLY his best avenue for sympathy and forgiveness. 

 

I agree. If you think about, it plays well with the public because you rarely hear anyone being accused of using a racial slur these days. 

[Reed83HOF]

6 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

Fo shizzle!!!

FIFY

 

Pho Shizzle

[White Linen]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I literally said I have no idea what happened and neither than you.  It’s just based on scouting reports, this is completely out of character.  If it’s a guy like Burfict, RI, etc, it seems a little more understandable.

 

and again, no slur is ok. But am I really talking to a grown person who is downplaying the significance and history of the n word?  Where did you grow up?

 

I'm not down playing it - I just think it's difficult to move relations forward trying to have a slur chart.  Your argument really doesn't make things better - it's just regurgitation.  

 

If an Asian and a black guy get into an argument and the black guy calls him a slant eye and the Asain says well you're an N word.  You want historical significance to come into play and say the Asian is more wrong?  So for you to dismiss the other posters comment about slurs being uttered to him is ridiculous.  

 

That's why you are only able to look at this from one angle and compare Garrett to Burfect.  What about Rudolph's character tells you he likely made a racial slur?

[GoBills808]

17 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The only people in Hawaii that are nearly 6 feet tall are demi-gods and I believe you're a mortal. 

I'm almost 5'10"

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm almost 5'10"

 

Do you ever wear shoes?

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

I'm not down playing it - I just think it's difficult to move relations forward trying to have a slur chart.  Your argument really doesn't make things better - it's just regurgitation.  

 

If an Asian and a black guy get into an argument and the black guy calls him a slant eye and the Asain says well you're an N word.  You want historical significance to come into play and say the Asian is more wrong?  So for you to dismiss the other posters comment about slurs being uttered to him is ridiculous.  

 

That's why you are only able to look at this from one angle and compare Garrett to Burfect.  What about Rudolph's character tells you he likely made a racial slur?

 

11 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

FIFY

 

Pho Shizzle

 

I'm offended.

[HOUSE]

News Flash: Suspended Players lie

More on this later...

 

 

 

 

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Edited February 14, 2020 by HOUSE

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I said at the time that claiming this was his best option. I don’t know if it happened or didn’t; I wasn’t there. However, this was CLEARLY his best avenue for sympathy and forgiveness. 

Well he's reading your posts Kirby and he's waiting for more advice

[Reed83HOF]

59 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

I'm offended.

It's a real restaurant

 

https://www.yelp.com/biz/pho-shizzle-seattle-2

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, White Linen said:

 

I'm not down playing it - I just think it's difficult to move relations forward trying to have a slur chart.  Your argument really doesn't make things better - it's just regurgitation.  

 

If an Asian and a black guy get into an argument and the black guy calls him a slant eye and the Asain says well you're an N word.  You want historical significance to come into play and say the Asian is more wrong?  So for you to dismiss the other posters comment about slurs being uttered to him is ridiculous.  

 

That's why you are only able to look at this from one angle and compare Garrett to Burfect.  What about Rudolph's character tells you he likely made a racial slur?

You’re reaching here.  Not once did I ever say MR called him that. Not once.  I also said it could be proven he didn’t, Garrett should be sued and suspended.  
 

I don’t use slurs.  I think only losers and people who lack something in their own lives do it.  It’s just how I was raised.  You’re right there isn’t a slur chart.   But to compare cracker to the n word is nuts given the history of this country.  

 

I have no idea what was said.  No one does so it’s dumb to pretend like we do.  There are people who are going to believe Garrett no what and there are people who will believe Rudolph or try to dismiss it as it’s just a word, get over it.  
 

If MR did, I don’t feel that bad for what happened. And if he didn’t, Garrett should face more consequences.  It’s pretty straight forward and I’m not sure there’s more to it than that. 

[Punching Bag]

Telling him he stinks (smells gungy) is not racial but could be sexist.

 

gungy - Urban Dictionary

www.urbandictionary.com › define › term=gungy

The state of having much gunge, which is the sticky, yet quite pungent, substance that forms around a women's *****.

[Royale with Cheese]

26 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

It's a real restaurant

 

https://www.yelp.com/biz/pho-shizzle-seattle-2

 

 

 

I'm going to eat there.

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We traveled to play Louisiana Lafayette, the Rajun Cajuns when I was a senior in college.

 

The two other starting outfielders were black.  It was a night game and the fans were viscous.  

They asked them to smile so they could see them.

I remember a fly ball got over the head of our centerfielder and someone yelled out "maybe you need that whip to make you run faster"

 

One guy yelled out "Do y'all listen to David Allen Coe?  You really should if you don't.  He's a really good song writer!" 

 

No fights...none. 

 

They were sticky?

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I'm going to eat there.

we had a place called "9021pho" out here but it sadly closed

[without a drought]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

They were sticky?

I hate sticky fans.

 

Warm weather games aren't as great as one might think.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Oh, I've got a million of them. It was an amateur league in PA filled by guys who were either not good enough to play pro ball, too old to play pro ball any more, or behind bars too often to play in college. We were the reincarnation of the 1976 Oakland Raiders. I literally cannot count the number of times I'd be looking for one of our defensive starters during a Sunday morning pregame only to be told he'd been hauled off back to jail on Friday night. They were a pack of occasionally dangerous lunatics, but by god they were funny. 

 

I'm more prone to believe it happened at a level where the players involved were younger and maybe hadn't developed a certain level of understanding and self-control, your daughters school being a prime example. But with older players that's just such a no-go zone that I really have a hard time buying Garret's story.

 

How close do you think college players are to that level of development?    I'm not saying I buy Garrett's story.  But I'm not sure Rudolph has entered the "older player no-go zone" either.

On looking for the starters and finding out they'd been hauled back to jail: I think there are probably a lot of Ty Nsekhe guys out there, talented players who got into too much trouble to play in college and only luck if they somehow manage to get seen.  I'd love to see the XFL succeed to give those guys a platform.

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

we had a place called "9021pho" out here but it sadly closed

Same owner opened Bistro Mon Cheri in Pasadena

 

Still Asian fusion

[RichRiderBills]

Most of you are missing the real point;

 

Even if Rudolph did say a slur it doesnt justify Garret swinging his helmet to try to bash open Rudilph's head. Insults, no matter how hurtful or hateful, dont excuse violence. 

 

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by RichRiderBills

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

Most of you are missing the real point;

 

Even if Rudolph did say a slur it doesnt justify Garret swinging his helmet to try to bash open Rudilph's head. Insults, no matter how hurtful or hateful, dont excuse violence.

 

I agree with you.  I believe that point has been made several times upthread

[Royale with Cheese]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

They were sticky?

They spilled moonshine on themselves.

[Chicken Boo]

32 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

Insults, no matter how hurtful or hateful, dont excuse violence. 

 

 

 

I disagree.  You call me the n word, prepare to schedule dental surgery in the immediate future.

[Buffalo716]

20 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I disagree.  You call me the n word, prepare to schedule dental surgery in the immediate future.

And that can totally be an appropriate response In the right situation

 

But be prepared to do time

29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

They spilled moonshine on themselves.

Hicks

[stuvian]

I have it on good authority that the offensive word used was "Brown". Commissioner Goodell and Jay Z have appointed special arbitrator Riley Cooper to rule on the matter.

 

 

 

[White Linen]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You’re reaching here.  Not once did I ever say MR called him that. Not once.  I also said it could be proven he didn’t, Garrett should be sued and suspended.  
 

I don’t use slurs.  I think only losers and people who lack something in their own lives do it.  It’s just how I was raised.  You’re right there isn’t a slur chart.   But to compare cracker to the n word is nuts given the history of this country.  

 

I have no idea what was said.  No one does so it’s dumb to pretend like we do.  There are people who are going to believe Garrett no what and there are people who will believe Rudolph or try to dismiss it as it’s just a word, get over it.  
 

If MR did, I don’t feel that bad for what happened. And if he didn’t, Garrett should face more consequences.  It’s pretty straight forward and I’m not sure there’s more to it than that. 

 

I agree with largely what you said and it's been a good conversation, IMO.  I never insinuated you said MR called him that.  I just pointed out you said it would be uncharacteristic of Myles given his mild nature.  That's speculation that you also didn't afford MR.  

 

I don't think cracker and n word need to be compared.  It actually doesn't foster any positive movement.  However, we can't dismiss other slurs and then expect positive change because historically they're not as egregious.  They come from the same hateful place in present time.  So a black person today - not lived through the worst time - has no right to claim special privilege if they use slurs.  

[Punching Bag]

28 minutes ago, stuvian said:

I have it on good authority that the offensive word used was "Brown". Commissioner Goodell and Jay Z have appointed special arbitrator Riley Cooper to rule on the matter.

 

Could have even been "Brown slave" since many refer to being drafted as equivalent to slavery.

The better equivalent is serf which traditionally was someone who voluntarily gave up rights usually for protection.

The NFLPA, their representatives, made agreement and if players do not like it file as independent if you are in  right-to-work state.

[Augie]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Need to add an Asian in there somewhere.

 

An Asian cracker? Is that what they make Panko out of? 

41 minutes ago, stuvian said:

I have it on good authority that the offensive word used was "Brown". Commissioner Goodell and Jay Z have appointed special arbitrator Riley Cooper to rule on the matter.

 

 

 

 

My kids played against Riley Cooper’s HS. He was not a good person by any account I ever saw or heard. I’m sure his parents love him. 

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

An Asian cracker? Is that what they make Panko out of? 

 

My kids played against Riley Cooper’s HS. He was not a good person by any account I ever saw or heard. I’m sure his parents love him. 

What HS?

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

What HS?

 

Clearwater Catholic School (FL). What a %$#&! 

 

The parents wanted to pummel that kid! He was just holding court with all his HS adorers during one of my kids hoops games and it was enough that I wanted a piece of him too. Extremely easy to dislike is a kind very way to put it. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Clearwater Catholic School (FL). What a %$#&! 

 

The parents wanted to pummel that kid! He was just holding court with all his HS adorers during one of my kids hoops games and it was enough that I wanted a piece of him too. Extremely easy to dislike is a kind very way to put it. 

He was never winning any Walter Payton Man of the Year awards.

[Nanker]

NSFW, NSFW, NSFW.

 

Oh, did I tell you it’s NSFW. 

 

 

 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He was never winning any Walter Payton Man of the Year awards.

 

I think he broke his hand punching out a car window. Does that get you an award of some type? A trophy? Maybe a medal or at least a ribbon you can put around his neck.............and then twist until he changes colors? 

 

 

 

 

Uh oh, he brings out my dark side. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

44 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Could have even been "Brown slave" since many refer to being drafted as equivalent to slavery.

 

I think he meant offensive term "Brown" as in "Cleveland Brown"

Unsure, though.