Super Bowl Pregame Thread: KC vs SF

[Hapless Bills Fan]

If anyone wants to talk about the actual Championship game or the two teams involved -strengths weaknesses strategy - here's a thread for ya!

 

Here's hoping the Bills will be contesting for this soon (next year)!

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Turk71]

  I'm looking forward to a great game. I think it will be a close one, but the 49ers will slow down the Chiefs a little and their offense will do enough to win. The 49ers offensive and defensive lines will outplay their counterparts and be the difference.

[Direhard Fan]

Turk 71--- And thats why KC is favorite by 1 1/2.

[Needle]

I like the 49ers to come out strong. I think the team with the better ground game and defense tends to get out of the gate better in the SB. The game will be close though and the Chiefs will put points up. This could be decided by who ever has the ball last.

[Success]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It’s a testament to how scarred I am by that team that my rooting interest is based on what will tick that fan base off the most.

 

After careful study, there are some Pats fans who don’t want the Niners to match their ring total of 6, but by far the sentiment is more anti-KC (for some slight that I still don’t really understand, and because Chiefs fans are “insufferable”.  And they say that without irony).

 

So, go Chiefs!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...just some of my useless, senior moment observations....

 

1. Mahomes vs Niner Defense-who wins?

2. Niner offense vs KC defense-who wins?

3. Reid vs Shanahan-who wins?

 

..Mahomes versatility can truly test Niners D.......but cannot score at will.......KC defense needs to stop the run as I do not see Jimmy G s a MAJOR passing threat......Andy is unpredictable....wish I could remember the game where he had Alex marching up and down the field like Grant took Richmond in the 1st half.......only to come out in the 2nd ala Jauron ball and chalked up the "L"......no decision yet on score....still ruminating...........

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Success said:

It’s a testament to how scarred I am by that team that my rooting interest is based on what will tick that fan base off the most.

 

After careful study, there are some Pats fans who don’t want the Niners to match their ring total of 6, but by far the sentiment is more anti-KC (for some slight that I still don’t really understand, and because Chiefs fans are “insufferable”.  And they say that without irony).

 

So, go Chiefs!

 

I don't think you should overlook the Garappolo traded subtext.  Whether or not it's true, substantial numbers of Pats fans believe that Belicheck wanted to keep Garappolo and move on from Brady.  An undetermined number believe that the Pats might still be playing if they had done so.

 

Thus, should San Francisco win, the Garappolo traded subtext will emerge as a dominant them and the Pats fan base will emerge from the game even more ticked than due to some nebulous vapor of anti-KC sentiment.

[Warcodered]

I like the 49ers more in this game than the Chiefs, I just feel they're a more complete team.

[Happy]

I like the 49ers in this game since they are the more complete team.  The 9er defense will come after Mahomes and not give him the room to operate that Tennessee did.

 

If KC has a chance, they will need to send pressure up the middle since it appears Jimmy G is very susceptible to that.  I'm sure Steve Spagnolo has seen tape on that from the Cardinals and Seahawks games.  It is similar to Brady's weakness, only easier since Jimmy G isn't as skilled as Tom in getting the ball out quickly.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

So the Chiefs D was a weak spot early in the season, but appeared to improve after the bye

Open question: was that due to defensive improvement (getting a player back, Suggs maybe) or due to relative impotence of the offenses they faced (Denver, Oakland, Chicago, end of season NE)?

 

Garappolo barely passed during the last two games, but during the season he showed he can put up a big game with his arm when he needs to (vs NO and vs AZ).  But is this a "use it or lose it" thing where lack of recent pass game will cause rust?  Or will Kittle and Samuel and someone else (Sanders?) answer the bell?

 

Underdiscussed factor: Garappolo has fumbled 10x this season and lost 5.  It ain't 'cuz he runs.  What's the cause, and is this something KC can exploit?

 

 

[jkeerie]

One thing about the 49ers run game...they tend to run off tackle, to the outside.  That would negate the effect of Chris Jones at DT, as he plugs up the middle.  If this holds true, it improves the 49ers chances...giving them an effective run game and keeping Mahomes off the field.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[CommonCents]

How about Kay..... wow. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

I heard speculation that the Chiefs might give Alex Smith a ring if they win. That seems very bizarre to me. He hasn't been on that team since 2017.

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Oh dear.

[Zerovoltz]

KC by double digits.

 

SF had ZERO sacks this year on plays where the offense used pre snap motion.  KC runs ALOT of pre snap motion.  

 

SF also had the 32nd ranked red zone D in the league.  

 

KC actually gave up fewer points than the miners did this year.  

 

People talk all like this 49er D is some all time great unit.  It’s not.  

 

Pat Mahomes.

 

[Putin]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

If anyone wants to talk about the actual Championship game or the two teams involved -strengths weaknesses strategy - here's a thread for ya!

 

Here's hoping the Bills will be contesting for this soon (next year)!

Amen ? to that = Bills SB next year 

[Putin]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think you should overlook the Garappolo traded subtext.  Whether or not it's true, substantial numbers of Pats fans believe that Belicheck wanted to keep Garappolo and move on from Brady.  An undetermined number believe that the Pats might still be playing if they had done so.

 

Thus, should San Francisco win, the Garappolo traded subtext will emerge as a dominant them and the Pats fan base will emerge from the game even more ticked than due to some nebulous vapor of anti-KC sentiment.

And that’s the biggest reason why I want the 9’ers to win .... 

the second reason just imagine how many treads will have about passing on Mahomes if Chiefs win ...

[stuvian]

5 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...just some of my useless, senior moment observations....

 

1. Mahomes vs Niner Defense-who wins?

2. Niner offense vs KC defense-who wins?

3. Reid vs Shanahan-who wins?

 

..Mahomes versatility can truly test Niners D.......but cannot score at will.......KC defense needs to stop the run as I do not see Jimmy G s a MAJOR passing threat......Andy is unpredictable....wish I could remember the game where he had Alex marching up and down the field like Grant took Richmond in the 1st half.......only to come out in the 2nd ala Jauron ball and chalked up the "L"......no decision yet on score....still ruminating...........

if the Chiefs D can shut down the Titans run game they can shut down Mostert. If Coleman plays it will be as a decoy only. I think the Chiefs win by 14

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

KC by double digits.

 

SF had ZERO sacks this year on plays where the offense used pre snap motion.  KC runs ALOT of pre snap motion.  

 

SF also had the 32nd ranked red zone D in the league.  

 

KC actually gave up fewer points than the miners did this year.  

 

People talk all like this 49er D is some all time great unit.  It’s not.  

 

Pat Mahomes.

 

Ignore the stats.  There was a big difference in the production of the 49er front four when they were all healthy.

 

That’s the game....if the pass rush gets to Mahomes, SF wins.  If they don’t, KC will.

 

 

2 minutes ago, stuvian said:

if the Chiefs D can shut down the Titans run game they can shut down Mostert. If Coleman plays it will be as a decoy only. I think the Chiefs win by 14

The Titans have no passing game.  Jimmy G has some weapons.

Edited February 2, 2020 by KD in CA

[stuvian]

2 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Ignore the stats.  There was a big difference in the production of the 49er front four when they were all healthy.

 

That’s the game....if the pass rush gets to Mahomes, SF wins.  If they don’t, KC will.

 

 

The Titans have no passing game.  Jimmy G has some weapons.

Jimmy G is Alex Smith 2.0. The Chiefs will shut down his run game and he isn't enough to win a SB.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

KC by double digits.

 

SF had ZERO sacks this year on plays where the offense used pre snap motion.  KC runs ALOT of pre snap motion.  

 

SF also had the 32nd ranked red zone D in the league.  

 

KC actually gave up fewer points than the miners did this year.  

 

People talk all like this 49er D is some all time great unit.  It’s not.  

 

Pat Mahomes.

 

 

Zero, as someone who emphatically does NOT want to see KC win by double digits, you can not imagine the relaxation I felt upon reading your prediction.

 

I would actually like to see Reid get a win...but something like 17 KC (with a defensive TD) - 16 49ers (with a missed 2 point conversion and a miss on a last minute FG) would suit me perfectly. 

 

If I can't have that, I'd be happy with 49ers win in a rout.

 

Yes, tis true that KC gave up fewer points....but by how many points? 

18 minutes ago, stuvian said:

if the Chiefs D can shut down the Titans run game they can shut down Mostert. If Coleman plays it will be as a decoy only. I think the Chiefs win by 14

 

Well, I could be incorrect....but I think the 49ers run game is a bit of a different beast than the Titans run game, as far as the type of run plays they execute.

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

KC by double digits.

 

SF had ZERO sacks this year on plays where the offense used pre snap motion.  KC runs ALOT of pre snap motion.  

 

SF also had the 32nd ranked red zone D in the league.  

 

KC actually gave up fewer points than the miners did this year.  

 

People talk all like this 49er D is some all time great unit.  It’s not.  

 

Pat Mahomes.

 

The 49ers did not have the lowest ranked red zone defense. Quit making ***** up.

  49ers allowed only 40 red zone attempts, 2nd in NFL. Chiefs were 25th with 57 allowed. 49ers allowed 5 less red zone tds than the Chiefs as well. The only thing the Chiefs were better at was %, they were 9th and 9ers were 23rd. 

  SF offense scored more points than KC.

None of this tells us who wins. It should be a good game. No need to make stuff up.

[KD in CA]

53 minutes ago, stuvian said:

Jimmy G is Alex Smith 2.0. The Chiefs will shut down his run game and he isn't enough to win a SB.

Welp, that’ll certainly be KCs strategy so it’ll be fun to watch to find out if JG can rise to the occasion.

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Zero, as someone who emphatically does NOT want to see KC win by double digits, you can not imagine the relaxation I felt upon reading your prediction.

 

I would actually like to see Reid get a win...but something like 17 KC (with a defensive TD) - 16 49ers (with a missed 2 point conversion and a miss on a last minute FG) would suit me perfectly. 

 

If I can't have that, I'd be happy with 49ers win in a rout.

 

Yes, tis true that KC gave up fewer points....but by how many points? 

 

Well, I could be incorrect....but I think the 49ers run game is a bit of a different beast than the Titans run game, as far as the type of run plays they execute.

Like I said earlier,  49ers run game is on the edge, totally different from the Titans.  I think they will give KC problems. 

[Zerovoltz]

2 hours ago, KD in CA said:

Ignore the stats.  There was a big difference in the production of the 49er front four when they were all healthy.

 

That’s the game....if the pass rush gets to Mahomes, SF wins.  If they don’t, KC will.

 

 

The Titans have no passing game.  Jimmy G has some weapons.

 

 

Mahomes in his 4 post season games thus far:

 

89/142  62.7%  for 1188 Yards passing, 7.7 YPA ....11 TD, 0 INTS  297 Yards per game.  and throw in 2 rushing TD on top of that.

 

He's not losing this game.  I know that sounds biased and arrogant......but having watched every game of his career....he's a unicorn.  

[Boca BIlls]

2 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

Mahomes in his 4 post season games thus far:

 

89/142  62.7%  for 1188 Yards passing, 7.7 YPA ....11 TD, 0 INTS  297 Yards per game.  and throw in 2 rushing TD on top of that.

 

He's not losing this game.  I know that sounds biased and arrogant......but having watched every game of his career....he's a unicorn.  

I like when people add "Having watched every game" like it means anything.

[YoloinOhio]

Nfl matchup with Greg Cosell and Matt Bowen is a really good show - it’s on now at 7:30 on espn 2 and will break it all down 

[Chandler#81]

Neither of these teams strike fear in anyone. They merely survived the gauntlet. We play them both next season and I wouldn’t be shocked if we kick both their azzes!

[thebandit27]

14 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

KC by double digits.

 

SF had ZERO sacks this year on plays where the offense used pre snap motion.  KC runs ALOT of pre snap motion.  

 

SF also had the 32nd ranked red zone D in the league.  

 

KC actually gave up fewer points than the miners did this year.  

 

People talk all like this 49er D is some all time great unit.  It’s not.  

 

Pat Mahomes.

 

 

KC can’t stop the run to save their collective gourds. SF decimates even good run defenses.

 

KC better score every time they have the ball.

 

9 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I know that sounds biased and arrogant 

Why break stride at this point? 

[Success]

SF will never have a lead that is safe, even w/ that D.  If KC gets a 2 score lead, it's a different story - I don't think the Niners will fare well if they have to come back & put the game on Jimmy's arm.

 

I think that will be how it will play out, too.  Reid has really been focusing on getting KC off to a quicker start.  I don't think the game will be all that close.

 

Regardless, it's kind of a joyous thing to wake up and not worry about the Patriots playing. It's been said a million times this week, but their absence is glorious. 

 

[Johnnycage46]

I think KC's slow starts the last 2 games, if present today, might come back to bite them as this 49ers defense seems to smell blood in the water when they get up on teams.  Additionally, KC is loaded with O skill players but I think the KC D is the biggest question mark.  If the KC D struggles even a little against the 49ers explosive running game and the KC gets down maybe 10 or so points, it could be a long night for KC.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

34 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

I think KC's slow starts the last 2 games, if present today, might come back to bite them as this 49ers defense seems to smell blood in the water when they get up on teams.  Additionally, KC is loaded with O skill players but I think the KC D is the biggest question mark.  If the KC D struggles even a little against the 49ers explosive running game and the KC gets down maybe 10 or so points, it could be a long night for KC.

 

 

 

...NEVER thought I'd see them hold Henry to 69 yds though..........

[Matt_In_NH]

Rooting for the chiefs

[Johnnycage46]

42 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...NEVER thought I'd see them hold Henry to 69 yds though..........

 

That is a very fair point. 

 

EDIT:  I also had to look that up as I couldn't believe it was that low.  I watched the AFCC in its entirety and for whatever reason I had thought they "contained" him but he ended up with over 100 or so (maybe the beer killed those brain cells responsible for remembering that part of the game lol).  69 yards after what Henry had done the previous 4 or 5 games is amazing.

Edited February 2, 2020 by Johnnycage46

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

That is a very fair point. 

 

EDIT:  I also had to look that up as I couldn't believe it was that low.  I watched the AFCC in its entirety and for whatever reason I thought they "contained" him but he ended up with over 100 or so.  69 yards after what Henry had done the previous 4 or 5 games is amazing.

 

 

...just not sure WHICH KC run defense shows up......

[YoloinOhio]

57 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...NEVER thought I'd see them hold Henry to 69 yds though..........

Imo they were able to do that because they didn’t fear Tannehill beating him with his arm so they stacked the box and committed to stopping Henry. They will not be able to do that to the same degree today imo, and SF’s run game is more diversified 

Edited February 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Imo they were able to do that because they didn’t fear Tannehill beating him with his arm so they stacked the box and committed to stopping Henry. They will not be able to do that to the same degree today imo, and SF’s run game is more diversified 

 

 

...should they then fear Jimmy G beating them with his arm?......

[YoloinOhio]

45 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...should they then fear Jimmy G beating them with his arm?......

I don’t know, I guess we will see. The niner passing offense is better than Tennessee’s statistically (13th vs 21st). SF’s total offense is ranked higher than KC’s. If I’m KC I’m worried about the speed of the RBs on the 2nd level with their LBs, and that I think Kittle is a size mismatch for the honey badger. SF DL is going to be a bit of an issue for KC OL imo if KC can’t run the ball and has the throw. Reid also loves to throw no what. SF run D has been susceptible at times this season but if they can just tee off on mahomes could be an issue 

Edited February 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[blacklabel]

If KC can slow down SF's run game and make it so it's Garappolo vs. Mahomes, I'd take Mahomes and KC all day. If they can't slow down that run game and SF is able to keep Mahomes off the field with long drives then it might be SF. I say might be because KC can score a bunch in a short time span. Should be a good game either way.