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On 8/2/2021 at 11:30 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

They wear masks better there I guess.  

 

Maybe they got those N95s because I was told today your cloth mask is useless.   

 

I'm sure I've beaten this to death but Sweden likely has Europe's longest and most complete mandatory Vitamin D food fortification program in Europe, and has for a decade.  It's in everything - milk, oils, butters, sundries.  The population's risk of deficiency and extreme deficiency is likely substantially lower than say...the UK that's getting broadsided with cases.

 

 

 

 

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On 8/6/2021 at 11:45 AM, dpberr said:

 

I'm sure I've beaten this to death but Sweden likely has Europe's longest and most complete mandatory Vitamin D food fortification program in Europe, and has for a decade.  It's in everything - milk, oils, butters, sundries.  The population's risk of deficiency and extreme deficiency is likely substantially lower than say...the UK that's getting broadsided with cases.

 

 

 

 


I didn’t know this.  I know my doctor had been pushing vitamin D on me for awhile.  I’ve been loading up in it for a few years.  He actually recently told me to cut back. LOL

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33 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I'm not an expert like some guy named Jack Posobiec, but those sure look like OUTDOOR photos to me ...


You may have misses the tent?  And speaking of the tent. I’ve read it was 500 people or so invited. Why have a tent to hold a few thousand?  And can we get a real source of funds for the purchase of that property?  🤔

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8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:


You may have misses the tent?  And speaking of the tent. I’ve read it was 500 people or so invited. Why have a tent to hold a few thousand?  And can we get a real source of funds for the purchase of that property?  🤔

I dunno, but geez, could it be this?

 

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/3/2/14779892/barack-michelle-obama-65-million-book-deal-penguin-random-house

 

EDIT: and this - https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/elite-street/ct-re-1205-elite-street-obamas-20191205-tpd3s54jenffrjyc7ucr3ef53a-story.html

 

I recommend this new thing they call the google. You can find out a lot of answers! Like a couple that just got $65 million can afford a $12 million house. 

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4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:


You may have misses the tent?  And speaking of the tent. I’ve read it was 500 people or so invited. Why have a tent to hold a few thousand?  And can we get a real source of funds for the purchase of that property?  🤔

Is he done fundamentally transforming the country yet? Or is finished now that he got HIS mansion on the water?  Doesn’t take a genius to know the answer!

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10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:


Well good for them.   Politics pays off.  Good “work” if you can get it. 

If they were planning to run for any kind of office again, or get appointed to the Supreme Court, etc., I would have lots and lots of questions about this kind of deal. I also think it's unseemly in general. Serving in public office shouldn't come with the expectation of great wealth when your done. That means $500,000 speaking engagements, exorbitant book deals (but remember, the total compensation isn't known until the books sold are counted; that's why huge advances are suspect), lobbying contracts, etc., etc.

 

What appropriately post-Presidential things should you do to make a living beyond that very nice pension? Well, Barack could have returned to teaching at U. Chicago. Written those boring book on foreign policy that Nixon and Carter kept pushing out. Lots of ways to have a very, very comfortable living without the bloated book and speaking fees. I'd love to see the USA return to that dignified idea of the post-presidency; ain't gonna happen.

 

Unfortunately there's not much we can do about these post-Presidency deals except that ineffectual stuff like asking questions in a debate: "do you pledge not to engage in lobbying after your term ends?"

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3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

If they were planning to run for any kind of office again, or get appointed to the Supreme Court, etc., I would have lots and lots of questions about this kind of deal. I also think it's unseemly in general. Serving in public office shouldn't come with the expectation of great wealth when your done. That means $500,000 speaking engagements, exorbitant book deals (but remember, the total compensation isn't known until the books sold are counted; that's why huge advances are suspect), lobbying contracts, etc., etc. Unfortunately there's not much we can do about these post-Presidency deals except that ineffectual stuff like asking questions in a debate: "do you pledge not to engage in lobbying after your term ends?"

Those big speaking fees and book deals are just payback for favors done while in office.  But what I really can't wrap my head around is the concept that there are that many people interested in reading or hearing a self-serving version of events written or told by these former elected and unelected officials irrespective of their political affiliations.  

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23 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

If they were planning to run for any kind of office again, or get appointed to the Supreme Court, etc., I would have lots and lots of questions about this kind of deal. I also think it's unseemly in general. Serving in public office shouldn't come with the expectation of great wealth when your done. That means $500,000 speaking engagements, exorbitant book deals (but remember, the total compensation isn't known until the books sold are counted; that's why huge advances are suspect), lobbying contracts, etc., etc.

 

What appropriately post-Presidential things should you do to make a living beyond that very nice pension? Well, Barack could have returned to teaching at U. Chicago. Written those boring book on foreign policy that Nixon and Carter kept pushing out. Lots of ways to have a very, very comfortable living without the bloated book and speaking fees. I'd love to see the USA return to that dignified idea of the post-presidency; ain't gonna happen.

 

Unfortunately there's not much we can do about these post-Presidency deals except that ineffectual stuff like asking questions in a debate: "do you pledge not to engage in lobbying after your term ends?"


I have no problem with people making money. Lots of money.  Especially after they leave public service.  I do however have issues with people like Pelosi and Feinstein reaping in piles of money WHILE in office. Public service was never designed to be a life long career.  Why do you think so many of them continue to do it well into their 80’s?  It’s easy money. 

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31 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I dunno, but geez, could it be this?

 

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/3/2/14779892/barack-michelle-obama-65-million-book-deal-penguin-random-house

 

EDIT: and this - https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/elite-street/ct-re-1205-elite-street-obamas-20191205-tpd3s54jenffrjyc7ucr3ef53a-story.html

 

I recommend this new thing they call the google. You can find out a lot of answers! Like a couple that just got $65 million can afford a $12 million house. 

Frankish, you’re a good poster but I have to take issue with your defense of “outdoor” partying.  
 

First, as @Chef Jim astutely noted, hundreds of people milling about in a structure designed to keep the elements out hardly qualifies as “outdoors”.  That’s, in fact, the whole idea of the tent.  On the level the elites play on, they tend to be exceptionally sturdy, well lit, secure and heated/air conditioned as necessary. 
 

That issue aside, on this level, you have people traveling from all across the country (and likely internationally), from yellow zones, red zones, hot zones with exposure to everything that entails.    Additionally, while traveling, much of the interaction would be of an indoor nature—airports, rest rooms, restaurants, limos all along the way.   While absolutely possible there was 100% compliance with CDC mask and distancing guidance, given what we see from the photos here and the generally tendency for power brokers to ignore their own directives, it’s seems unlikely. 
 

Finally, the question comes up about the optics of this sick rager.   According to the experts, we’re dealing with COVID and the delta schmelt variety, we’re at mission critical status and one of the leading liberals in the world opts to have a maskless, distantless, climate &$@&ing hoedown at his massive palatial estate, exposing Vineyard residents to COVID and Delta schmelt infections just because he had a birthday?  
 

The reality to me is it’s another reason to question the National narrative on Covid and Delta schmelt my.   See, I don’t think Barrack, Kerry, JZ and Beyoncé, and the remorseful bully Chrissy Tiegen have any desire to become infected or infect their loved ones.  I assume Barrack and his event coordinators have access to state of the art intel and decided to push forward secure in the knowledge that all is well. 
 

 

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38 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Frankish, you’re a good poster but I have to take issue with your defense of “outdoor” partying.  
 

First, as @Chef Jim astutely noted, hundreds of people milling about in a structure designed to keep the elements out hardly qualifies as “outdoors”.  That’s, in fact, the whole idea of the tent.  On the level the elites play on, they tend to be exceptionally sturdy, well lit, secure and heated/air conditioned as necessary. 
 

That issue aside, on this level, you have people traveling from all across the country (and likely internationally), from yellow zones, red zones, hot zones with exposure to everything that entails.    Additionally, while traveling, much of the interaction would be of an indoor nature—airports, rest rooms, restaurants, limos all along the way.   While absolutely possible there was 100% compliance with CDC mask and distancing guidance, given what we see from the photos here and the generally tendency for power brokers to ignore their own directives, it’s seems unlikely. 
 

Finally, the question comes up about the optics of this sick rager.   According to the experts, we’re dealing with COVID and the delta schmelt variety, we’re at mission critical status and one of the leading liberals in the world opts to have a maskless, distantless, climate &$@&ing hoedown at his massive palatial estate, exposing Vineyard residents to COVID and Delta schmelt infections just because he had a birthday?  
 

The reality to me is it’s another reason to question the National narrative on Covid and Delta schmelt my.   See, I don’t think Barrack, Kerry, JZ and Beyoncé, and the remorseful bully Chrissy Tiegen have any desire to become infected or infect their loved ones.  I assume Barrack and his event coordinators have access to state of the art intel and decided to push forward secure in the knowledge that all is well. 
 

 

Fair point. It was bad optics (particularly in it's initial version), but I'll give him a pass on HAVING the party. That's because I want to see full outdoor stadiums for the World Series, for NFL Sundays, for outdoor music festivals, etc. I am perhaps not as doctrinaire as you thought. There's always risk balancing; to me, the science doesn't support banning outdoor events or requiring masks outside. Tents are "leaky" and air turnover rates are high, even for those posh garden party things. Plus as I understand it, everyone was required to be vaccinated.

As for travel to mass events: this doesn't strike me as that different from a big wedding, which I don't want to see banned. There's a cost-benefit calculation, which is why I support businesses and to some extent governments mandating vaccines.

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3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:


I didn’t know this.  I know my doctor had been pushing vitamin D on me for awhile.  I’ve been loading up in it for a few years.  He actually recently told me to cut back. LOL

You're about to be stunned....for about a decade, Europe has been trying to make the severity of its flu season less by fortifying its food supply with Vitamin D.  Some countries have really gotten to it, others haven't.  

 

I think there's a lot of data points flying around out in the air about a person's Vitamin D levels and how it correlates to COVID severity.  Why nobody is trying to really understand that relationship beats me, It'd seem like a simple way for people to keep themselves from not getting sick. 

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2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Fair point. It was bad optics (particularly in it's initial version), but I'll give him a pass on HAVING the party. That's because I want to see full outdoor stadiums for the World Series, for NFL Sundays, for outdoor music festivals, etc. I am perhaps not as doctrinaire as you thought. There's always risk balancing; to me, the science doesn't support banning outdoor events or requiring masks outside. Tents are "leaky" and air turnover rates are high, even for those posh garden party things. Plus as I understand it, everyone was required to be vaccinated.

As for travel to mass events: this doesn't strike me as that different from a big wedding, which I don't want to see banned. There's a cost-benefit calculation, which is why I support businesses and to some extent governments mandating vaccines.

I’m a realist.  I look at actions v words, consider the agenda of the people in question, and what they may know that I do not.   

 

It’s the same approach I took when watching widespread social justice protests and gatherings, with support from liberal politicians as if no one ever suggested those specific actions were exactly what spreads the virus.   
 

I have no issues with Obama having a COVID party, no issues with him making scoodles of money after leaving office, or him using the world as his personal playground. 
 

I just recognize this action for what it is—a bunch of wealthy liberals with agendas doing the exact opposite of what common sense tells us.  We can get into the weeds about all these folks being 100% clean and tents being airy, but none of that passes muster IMO.   A tent on the lawn with 500 people jammed into it, singing, dancing and carousing is not an outdoor venue.  
 

Behavior is modeled, or it’s not.    In this case, it’s not, and lots of folks on both pro- and anti- vax sidelines look at what took place and go “Hmm, now that’s weird”.    Additionally, the entire event was discussed,  optics included, pros and cons weighed out and they decided to push through because they knew they could manage the fallout.  
 

 

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14 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I’m a realist.  I look at actions v words, consider the agenda of the people in question, and what they may know that I do not.   

 

It’s the same approach I took when watching widespread social justice protests and gatherings, with support from liberal politicians as if no one ever suggested those specific actions were exactly what spreads the virus.   
 

I have no issues with Obama having a COVID party, no issues with him making scoodles of money after leaving office, or him using the world as his personal playground. 
 

I just recognize this action for what it is—a bunch of wealthy liberals with agendas doing the exact opposite of what common sense tells us.  We can get into the weeds about all these folks being 100% clean and tents being airy, but none of that passes muster IMO.   A tent on the lawn with 500 people jammed into it, singing, dancing and carousing is not an outdoor venue.  
 

Behavior is modeled, or it’s not.    In this case, it’s not, and lots of folks on both pro- and anti- vax sidelines look at what took place and go “Hmm, now that’s weird”.    Additionally, the entire event was discussed,  optics included, pros and cons weighed out and they decided to push through because they knew they could manage the fallout.  
 

 

Darn SUPER SPREADERS!!! 😂😂😂

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1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Hypocrisy continues.

 

 

 

 

 

"You're going to get to do that in the future......"

 

 

Just f this f...ing clown.  

 

You only turn 60 once.  

 

You only have 1 childhood.  

 

Your wedding now anxiously waits your States next indefinite arbitrary mandate.   

 

F all these people.  All of them that support this guy from the corporations and professional sports leagues (gateways to what society will do) that are all getting strung along or playing along 

 

INDEFINITELY.  

 

 

 

Hey Anthony.......we were averaging 10K cases (allegedly) a day in late June.  Why wasn't it under control then?  By those metrics it's never going to be ---- maybe you should start defining what that is.  

 

 

Also,

 

Delta - whatever that is - was here in June.  We didn't hear from you idiots about anything until the VEA needed cover for the school year.  

 

 

Get off the TV and do your job and stop the lies.  

 

YEAR 3 is right around the corner everyone.   Entering year 3!

 

 

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4 hours ago, dpberr said:

You're about to be stunned....for about a decade, Europe has been trying to make the severity of its flu season less by fortifying its food supply with Vitamin D.  Some countries have really gotten to it, others haven't.  

 

I think there's a lot of data points flying around out in the air about a person's Vitamin D levels and how it correlates to COVID severity.  Why nobody is trying to really understand that relationship beats me, It'd seem like a simple way for people to keep themselves from not getting sick. 

 

The same reason they lied about HCQ being dangerous and therefore unsuitable to treat a disease...that could kill you. :rolleyes:

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4 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I’m a realist.  I look at actions v words, consider the agenda of the people in question, and what they may know that I do not.   

 

It’s the same approach I took when watching widespread social justice protests and gatherings, with support from liberal politicians as if no one ever suggested those specific actions were exactly what spreads the virus.   
 

I have no issues with Obama having a COVID party, no issues with him making scoodles of money after leaving office, or him using the world as his personal playground. 
 

I just recognize this action for what it is—a bunch of wealthy liberals with agendas doing the exact opposite of what common sense tells us.  We can get into the weeds about all these folks being 100% clean and tents being airy, but none of that passes muster IMO.   A tent on the lawn with 500 people jammed into it, singing, dancing and carousing is not an outdoor venue.  
 

Behavior is modeled, or it’s not.    In this case, it’s not, and lots of folks on both pro- and anti- vax sidelines look at what took place and go “Hmm, now that’s weird”.    Additionally, the entire event was discussed,  optics included, pros and cons weighed out and they decided to push through because they knew they could manage the fallout.  
 

 


You have been silent about Trump’s modeling. An observation. 
 

I wonder if the situation in Florida will expand northwards as the fall comes. The vax rate in Florida in particular is not that much worse than many states with lower case counts. 

7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Fair point. It was bad optics (particularly in it's initial version), but I'll give him a pass on HAVING the party. That's because I want to see full outdoor stadiums for the World Series, for NFL Sundays, for outdoor music festivals, etc. I am perhaps not as doctrinaire as you thought. There's always risk balancing; to me, the science doesn't support banning outdoor events or requiring masks outside. Tents are "leaky" and air turnover rates are high, even for those posh garden party things. Plus as I understand it, everyone was required to be vaccinated.

As for travel to mass events: this doesn't strike me as that different from a big wedding, which I don't want to see banned. There's a cost-benefit calculation, which is why I support businesses and to some extent governments mandating vaccines.


And all the guests had to tested. 
 

I remember the Trump presser with the rapid test done at the podium. I expected those to become ubiquitous at large events until hospitalizations and deaths were way down but they’ve never caught on widely. 

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1 hour ago, Sundancer said:


You have been silent about Trump’s modeling. An observation. 
 

I wonder if the situation in Florida will expand northwards as the fall comes. The vax rate in Florida in particular is not that much worse than many states with lower case counts. 


And all the guests had to tested. 
 

I remember the Trump presser with the rapid test done at the podium. I expected those to become ubiquitous at large events until hospitalizations and deaths were way down but they’ve never caught on widely. 

I’d be happy to share thoughts on Trump’s modeling.  What would you like to discuss?  
 

As it relates to the here and now, I assume Trump will have something to share about the abject hypocrisy of the event. He should, and it’s for the greater good.   It would be appropriate politically.

 

I’ll let you know about Florida when I get there next month—assuming Tom Hanx and Queen Bae didn’t import California delta variant seeds across the northeast with this hugely important celebration during a time of national crisis.   
 

Btw, when I was in Florida in February, unvaxxed and minding my business as I usually do, it was awesome to be out and about with the sun on my face.  One of the hi-lights was a night on a restaurant patio drinking a beer.  After winter in NY, shut downs and Andrew Cuomo,  it really felt an awful lot like freedom.  I almost wore a Defund Five-O shirt to guarantee the virus stayed clear of me, but decided to live on the edge. 
 

 

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12 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I’d be happy to share thoughts on Trump’s modeling.  What would you like to discuss?  
 

As it relates to the here and now, I assume Trump will have something to share about the abject hypocrisy of the event. He should, and it’s for the greater good.   It would be appropriate politically.

 

I’ll let you know about Florida when I get there next month—assuming Tom Hanx and Queen Bae didn’t import California delta variant seeds across the northeast with this hugely important celebration during a time of national crisis.   
 

Btw, when I was in Florida in February, unvaxxed and minding my business as I usually do, it was awesome to be out and about with the sun on my face.  One of the hi-lights was a night on a restaurant patio drinking a beer.  After winter in NY, shut downs and Andrew Cuomo,  it really felt an awful lot like freedom.  I almost wore a Defund Five-O shirt to guarantee the virus stayed clear of me, but decided to live on the edge. 
 

 

Oh, and @The Frankish Reich and Sunny D— just imagine the messaging that might have taken place had Barrack and Michelle Obama arranged a press conference, assembled the media and said something like this:

 

“We were so excited to celebrate Barrack’s 60th Birthday with our friends at our beautiful home.  We started planning for this celebration of a life well over a year ago when we were hopeful that the nation would be on the other side of this pandemic.  However, when it became apparent that the delta variant is an extremely dangerous adaptation of the virus, and when we saw the vaccination numbers stall nationally, we could not in good conscience push forward.
 

Together, we call on all Americans...rich and poor...tall and short....conservative, independent and liberal...to join us and get vaccinated.  To Black Americans specifically, we’re asking you to trust us on this, times have changed, we are on a brighter path—get vaccinated now.

 

Oh, and special shout out to Leh-nerd for reminding us all that being in a $25,000 tent, singing, dancing and partying is not the same as being outside!  You got us boy-eeee!”

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2 minutes ago, Governor said:

Holy crap!

 

Florida COVID update: More than 28,000 cases per day over the weekend, another record.

 

Along with that infection record, the state set another record, 13,977 current hospitalizations.

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253368768.html

 

Another ghoulish lefty celebrating illness and death.   

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On 8/8/2021 at 8:43 AM, Chef Jim said:


I have no problem with people making money. Lots of money.  Especially after they leave public service.  I do however have issues with people like Pelosi and Feinstein reaping in piles of money WHILE in office. Public service was never designed to be a life long career.  Why do you think so many of them continue to do it well into their 80’s?  It’s easy money. 

 

That, and they're flaming narcissists who need flocks of staff, reporters, and loyal voters smooching up on their behinds.

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masks required inside the concourse at Highmark Stadium as of…. a couple weeks ago.  Per a press release from the venerable Erie County Dept of Health.

 

 

Next up:  capacity restrictions, just in time for the season to start!!! 

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1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

masks required inside the concourse at Highmark Stadium as of…. a couple weeks ago.  Per a press release from the venerable Erie County Dept of Health.

 

 

Next up:  capacity restrictions, just in time for the season to start!!! 

 

Highmark Stadium??  

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