The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Wut!
 

 

 

 

What the hell???

 

Really?  Is that true?  

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Magox said:

What the hell???

 

Really?  Is that true?  

I KNOW!!! 

The#resistance sure can pick 'em. Just a teeny-tiny bit of journalistic curiosity would have been enough to have run fast and far from that woman instead of making her the touchstone for their cause celebre.

 

[Magox]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I KNOW!!! 

The#resistance sure can pick 'em. Just a teeny-tiny bit of journalistic curiosity would have been enough to have run fast and far from that woman instead of making her the touchstone for their cause celebre.

 

 

It's gotta be true or else De Santis would be absolutely crushed by the media and have defamation charges against him.

 

You can tell that this tiny itsy bitsy information he had in his back pocket which gave him all the confidence to rip her to shreds to then just throw that out at the last moment.  OMG

[Reality Check]

Old Ronny D has some Jake the Snake in him when it comes to handling BS.

 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

20 minutes ago, Magox said:

Whoah...He wasn't done

 

 

That wasn't a beat down, he fu**!ng CURB STOMPED the media. Trumpian, almost.

[Big Gun]

Found this comment rather interesting. IMO there is something very strange going on in NYC that outsiders know nothing about. If true, Cuomo and DeBlasio need to be held accountable, along with being held accountable in the nursing home deaths.

 

  I'm sure I'm gonna get some hate messages after this, frankly. I don't care because this could save someone's life. I'm a nurse practitioner. I am licensed and certified. I am not on the front lines. I have a friend in New York City who's on the front lines. And for her safety, she cannot come out and say these things. So I am her voice. I'm not going to name names of people or hospitals for the safety of those involved. But this is her account. I am her voice here. I'm going to tell you what she has told me. She wants this to get out. Now, I'm sure this is not the case everywhere. I I'm confident I have friends that are in other places. They're on the front lines. They're in ICU and it's not like this everywhere, but in New York City right now and some of the hospitals. This is what is going on.

People are sick, but they don't have to stay sick. They are killing them. They are not helping them. She used the word murder coming from a nurse who went to New York City expecting to help. Patients are left to rot and die. Her words. She has never seen so much neglect. No one cares. They are cold and they don't care anymore. It's the blind leading the blind.

Now, a couple of weeks ago, I was on with some nurse friends of mine and we were discussing different medications that could be used to potentially help people, doctors who are reporting around the country that they were using a combination of medications, that were helping people. People were not dying when they were on these medications.
They were getting better. Those medications are not being used in hospitals in New York City. What is happening is that they're putting people on nasal cannula. If they require more than six liters of nasal cannula, they get intubated.

They go on the vent or they get trached if there's not enough vents. They don't get high flow. No non rebreather, no non-invasive ventilation, no CPR, no bipap. They're on a closed system. Verus CPAP OR Bipap for fear that it will spread the virus. Which, by the way, I know a nurse in Florida who was fired for exposing that about CPap BiPAP and patients being put on the ventilator like straightaway to the ventilator. To be in a closed system,

The patients don't know any better. They don't have family with them. There is no one there with them to advocate for them. So they are scared and they give consent. The ventilators have high PEEP, high pressure. Which then causes Berro trauma. It causes trauma to the lungs. Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell a few weeks ago put out a video. He's in New York City. And he put out a video saying something is not right. We're not treating this correctly. We're doing something wrong. This doesn't make sense. They pulled his video from YouTube and they took him out of ICU because they couldn't have one doctor going against the grain, going against their protocol.

The protocol is Propofol or some kind of sedation because they're on the ventilator, an I.V. antibiotics. There's no hydroxylchloroquine. They're not using that companies with the Zithromax. They're not using the zinc, Vitamin C, high doses of vitamins A & D. They laugh. This is what she's told me. They laugh at that.

She says this is a nightmare. It's out of a horror movie. And I don't want to be a part of this. There are people who are a full code. And yet, if they crash, they're not doing compressions because it will spread the virus. Full code. Not doing compressions. Family is not there. They have no one to answer to. No one is being held accountable. A code was called and no one came.

I will make some recommendations but consult with your Doctor on these key supplements. NAC , Vitamin D, C, Zinc and Quercetin. The people with the worst oxidative stress from a baseline standpoint are those people with cardiovasular diseases, diabetes and over weight. Happy hypoxics. Cardiovasular collapse, blood clots in their vessels. These are the ones put on ventiators but to little avail. If you have high risk factors for severe disease, like heart or lung problems, diabetes, or those age 60 and over, consider getting a pulse oximeter. Here is one recommended on http://blauoximeter.pg-blog.com/ A pulse oximeter can provide early warning of the kinds of breathing problems associated with Covid-19 pneumonia. Take your readings now, when you are well, so you have a baseline to compare with. And do this lying down (as you would be if sick), so your baseline is a true baseline.

They have a new EKG SmartWatch just came out which checks your pulse and oxygen levels anytime on https://oshensmartwatch.com/index2.html

They make a whole room UV light sanitizer on http://uvsterilizex.com for surfaces/rooms.

Or they have a moobile cleaning UVC wand on http://mobiklean.com for surfaces too.

Recently Dr. Nicole Apelian, was able to pinpoint the 3 most important plants you need to add to your diet to fight viruses, including coronavirus. She gathered ALL the remedies on http://lostremedies.pg-blog.com/

[MILFHUNTER#518]

Well well. What have we here?

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-now-says-coronavirus-does-not-spread-easily-via-contaminated-surfaces

 

I apologize if this was already posted, I went back 3 pages to check and did not see it anywhere...

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

From an anecdotal standpoint only, almost all of the people, in my sphere, arguing against reopening have been receivng paychecks this entire time.

 

2 hours ago, GG said:

In my sphere, it's 100%  and it's everyone who can simply work from home with no issues.  

 

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Same. And it's not even close. 

 

You rich bastards.  "Oh we only know white collar people that can work from home.  ***** those blue collar who cannot work from home"

 

Oh....#metoo.  

[Magox]

Here is an analysis by JP Morgan.

 

It will surprise many people.

 

Basically the R Rate is declining in places more so after lockdowns are ending.

 

 

 

 

They concluded that the lockdowns may have been justified to begin with but now they no longer are.

[Chef Jim]

12 minutes ago, Magox said:

Here is an analysis by JP Morgan.

 

It will surprise many people.

 

Basically the R Rate is declining in places more so after lockdowns are ending.

 

 

 

 

They concluded that the lockdowns may have been justified to begin with but now they no longer are.

 

JP Morgan??  Those billionaire bastards!!  FOLLOW THE MONEY (or something like that)

[Buffalo_Gal]

19 minutes ago, Magox said:

Here is an analysis by JP Morgan.

 

It will surprise many people.

 

Basically the R Rate is declining in places more so after lockdowns are ending.

 

 

 

 

They concluded that the lockdowns may have been justified to begin with but now they no longer are.

Heat and humidity.

 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nurse-disciplined-for-wearing-only-bra-and-panties-under-ppe-gown/

 

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nurse-disciplined-for-wearing-only-bra-and-panties-under-ppe-gown/

 

 

The unidentified staffer told her managers at Tula Regional Clinical Hospital that she was “too hot”

 

No such thing. 

[Magox]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Heat and humidity.

 

 

They help, but that isn't the only factor either.

 

The way the R Rate is explained is sort of like a slope.  Once it begins to go down that slope, it's easier for it to continue on down.   Same Vice Versa.  It's sorta like a matter of inertia, kinda but not really.  

[Chef Jim]

We can all go back to our daily lives. It’s over. 
 

 

[Joe Miner]

35 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nurse-disciplined-for-wearing-only-bra-and-panties-under-ppe-gown/

 

 

You won't get that kind of treatment with Obamacare.

 

 

Thanks a lot Obama.

[Jon in Pasadena]

39 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nurse-disciplined-for-wearing-only-bra-and-panties-under-ppe-gown/

 

Where's the pics of her getting disciplined?  (Asking for a friend.)

[keepthefaith]

40 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nurse-disciplined-for-wearing-only-bra-and-panties-under-ppe-gown/

 

 

She probably saved a few old dudes.  No way you'd go ahead and die if you knew she'd be back to take your temperature. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...was just at my doc's office for six month follow-up.....he is fairly confident that a Covid-19 vaccine will be out by November....asked him what the annual effective percentage is for flu vaccine and he said 55-60%.......from his hours of research and study, he's confident a Covid-19 vaccine could be 65-75% effective because there are less strains to deal with FWIW......contradicts the MSM "doom and gloom explosion of multiple strains"......

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...was just at my doc's office for six month follow-up.....he is fairly confident that a Covid-19 vaccine will be out by November....asked him what the annual effective percentage is for flu vaccine and he said 55-60%.......from his hours of research and study, he's confident a Covid-19 vaccine could be 65-75% effective because there are less strains to deal with FWIW......contradicts the MSM "doom and gloom explosion of multiple strains"......

Yes, but did your Doc sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Yes, but did your Doc sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

 

...yup...second night was free....he asked me how my spirits were and I replied, "86 proof....".........I have to be honest, right??............

[Magox]

Just as many of us have said, the whole testing thing was overblown back when we were discussing if the nation would have enough for phase 1.  

 

Not only is there enough for phase 1, there is easily enough for phase 2.

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I KNOW!!! 

The#resistance sure can pick 'em. Just a teeny-tiny bit of journalistic curiosity would have been enough to have run fast and far from that woman instead of making her the touchstone for their cause celebre.

 

So, more:
 

Staff member booked after altercation with LSUPD officers
 

On June 13, 26-year-old University staff member Rebekah Jones was booked on one count of battery on a police officer, one count of remaining after forbidden and two counts of resisting arrest, Scott said. Scott said officers arrived at the Sea Grant building when Jones refused to leave at the request of LSU Human Resources. Scott said Jones initiated physical contact against two LSUPD officers while resisting arrest and officers were forced to subdue her.

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DeSantis: Former manager of coronavirus dashboard 'not a data scientist;' faces cyber-stalking charge
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Records in the Leon County Clerk of Court website show Rebekah Jones was involved in cases matching what the governor said. In October 2017 and in June 2019, a temporary injunction for stalking was filed against her in Leon County. Those cases are closed.
 

In July 2019, a stalking case was filed by the state of Florida against Jones. The case remains open.

FOX 13 has reached out to Jones, but we have not heard back.
 

Sexually harassing and stalking an ex-boyfriend.
 

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Jones also has an extensive criminal history in Leon County, where she’s been arrested and charged with three felonies, including one for robbery, and a handful of misdemeanor cases including “sexual cyberstalking,” a case where she created a website and used it to sexually harass her ex-boyfriend. The website has been taken down, but images from the case exist in Leon County court records.
 

Most of the charges filed against her came after she was hired by the Department of Health, so they would not have turned up in any background check.
 

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[SoCal Deek]

"Remaining after Forbidden"....never heard of that one before.

[Nanker]

On 5/18/2020 at 6:10 PM, meazza said:

I don’t think it does.

Think of it as a condom.

A condom won't prevent the birth of a 9 month old full term fetus.

But it can prevent the situation from developing.

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Heat and humidity.

 

 

Could be that. There have also been some studies that consider people's non-homogenous reactions (not just by age) to this and the first wave will affect the susceptible, with later waves needing more prevalence to get to the same numbers of cases. It's a compelling argument. 

 

Treatments also have gotten better. When this started, we had patients lying on their backs--that's completely the wrong thing now. And a lot of drug cocktails in use now that weren't before. 

[GG]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

So, more:
 

Staff member booked after altercation with LSUPD officers
 

On June 13, 26-year-old University staff member Rebekah Jones was booked on one count of battery on a police officer, one count of remaining after forbidden and two counts of resisting arrest, Scott said. Scott said officers arrived at the Sea Grant building when Jones refused to leave at the request of LSU Human Resources. Scott said Jones initiated physical contact against two LSUPD officers while resisting arrest and officers were forced to subdue her.

</snip>
 

DeSantis: Former manager of coronavirus dashboard 'not a data scientist;' faces cyber-stalking charge
</snip>
 

Records in the Leon County Clerk of Court website show Rebekah Jones was involved in cases matching what the governor said. In October 2017 and in June 2019, a temporary injunction for stalking was filed against her in Leon County. Those cases are closed.
 

In July 2019, a stalking case was filed by the state of Florida against Jones. The case remains open.

FOX 13 has reached out to Jones, but we have not heard back.
 

Sexually harassing and stalking an ex-boyfriend.
 

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Jones also has an extensive criminal history in Leon County, where she’s been arrested and charged with three felonies, including one for robbery, and a handful of misdemeanor cases including “sexual cyberstalking,” a case where she created a website and used it to sexually harass her ex-boyfriend. The website has been taken down, but images from the case exist in Leon County court records.
 

Most of the charges filed against her came after she was hired by the Department of Health, so they would not have turned up in any background check.
 

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Funny how her heros from yesterday are nowhere to be found today.

 

Slimy cowards.

[B-Man]

 Rebekah Jones’ firing is the COVID clickbait the media dreams of – but it’s all fake.

 

FTA:

 

The Tampa Bay Times had the full explanation for why the data was temporarily unavailable, but they and other media outlets decided to run with “coronavirus conspiracy” instead. In fact, the Times headline claims Jones was asked to “delete” data. No where in the story itself does the word “delete” appear. It’s another clickbait headline.

• Media outlets who published the “manipulated or deleted data” conspiracy theory: National Public Radio, The Guardian, MSNBC, USA Today, Tampa Bay Times and many others.

Claim #4: Rebekah Jones was fired because she refused to comply with orders to hide the truth about COVID-19

The truth: The idea that Jones is somehow a martyr for truth about coronavirus and a victim of a DeSantis administration cover up is a narrative too many media outlets were willing to jump on.

She was fired for insubordination, according to the DeSantis Administration:

“Rebekah Jones exhibited a repeated course of insubordination during her time with the department, including her unilateral decisions to modify the department’s COVID-19 dashboard without input or approval from the epidemiological team or her supervisors,” DeSantis spokeswoman Helen Ferre said in a statement. “The blatant disrespect for the professionals who were working around the clock to provide the important information for the COVID-19 website was harmful to the team.”

Jones is no stranger to insubordination. In 2016, she was arrested on the campus of her employer, Louisiana State University, for refusing to obey the orders of a police officer:

On June 13, 26-year-old University staff member Rebekah Jones was booked on one count of battery on a police officer, one count of remaining after forbidden and two counts of resisting arrest, Scott said. Scott said officers arrived at the Sea Grant building when Jones refused to leave at the request of LSU Human Resources. Scott said Jones initiated physical contact against two LSUPD officers while resisting arrest and officers were forced to subdue her.

It’s not clear why LSU’s Human Resources department asked one of their own staff members to leave the area.

 

Jones also has an extensive criminal history in Leon County, where she’s been arrested and charged with three felonies, including one for robbery, and a handful of misdemeanor cases including “sexual cyberstalking,” a case where she created a website and used it to sexually harass her ex-boyfriend. The website has been taken down, but images from the case exist in Leon County court records.

Most of the charges filed against her came after she was hired by the Department of Health, so they would not have turned up in any background check.

 

The bottom line: Rebekah Jones was fired for performance issues, not for “refusing to manipulate data.” And her extensive criminal history, which predates her employment in Florida, lends credence to the DeSantis administration that she was just a troublesome employee who is now disgruntled and trying to get media attention about her firing. The easiest way to get media attention right now is to claim a Republican elected official is involved in a conspiracy to cover up COVID-19 data detrimental to reopening the state economy.

The media outlets listed above will not issue retractions. They will double down on the idea that DeSantis’s administration is withholding / manipulating / deleting / altering data. That, too is totally false.

 

 

But mark these words, the embarrassment of touting Rebekah Jones as their coronavirus martyr will quickly fade into the mainstream media memory hole.

 

 

 

[Magox]

Improvement pretty much across the board.

 

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

On 5/19/2020 at 2:56 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/south-korean-research-boosts-theory-that-retesting-positive-for-covid-19-is-fluke-not-relapse-11589883871

 

Could the virus lay dormant? Or still multiplying in a person not over yet.  A couple reasons.    Or a dead virus.

 

 

But my thinking if this virus could lay dormant?  But in a less infectious way to others? Not sure on the person self health?  Lots of virus can do this, lay dormant.
 

Some question's hopefully future answers them.

 

 

Different topic looks like bad news for Iran daily cases picking back up.  

 

 

 

That's really good Magox. Going down is really good.  Hope goes  and stay that way. 

 

Edited May 20, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[shoshin]

This guy always posts in the Silver thread and his numbers are interesting as he carves out a the the top 5 state drivers of the numbers to see how the rest of the country is doing.

 

In those states, we see dramatically increased testing but % positive the same, which indicates rising cases. Hospitalization is level so that's good. That's the metric to watch as our limiting resource for reopening phases. 

 

 

 

 

[Magox]

10 minutes ago, shoshin said:

This guy always posts in the Silver thread and his numbers are interesting as he carves out a the the top 5 state drivers of the numbers to see how the rest of the country is doing.

 

In those states, we see dramatically increased testing but % positive the same, which indicates rising cases. Hospitalization is level so that's good. That's the metric to watch as our limiting resource for reopening phases. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, there is not going to be as steep of a decline because they never had the incline they did. By and large most of the states had the “ideal” flattened out curve throughout with a few exceptions .  So I wouldn’t expect to see dramatic drop offs as large states such as Florida, Texas, Georgia and California most likely won’t go too much lower.  
 

The states that can still drop off decently would be PA, MI, IL, CT and MA.   The rest of the states are pretty low.

 

My hopes are that the summer absolutely crushes the virus.  That is a possibility but there are diverging forces working against it as people begin to get out more.   If that R rate keeps dropping maybe we will be in for a good surprise.

[fansince88]

8 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

But they have beaches!!!

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Yep, there is not going to be as steep of a decline because they never had the incline they did. By and large most of the states had the “ideal” flattened out curve throughout with a few exceptions .  So I wouldn’t expect to see dramatic drop offs as large states such as Florida, Texas, Georgia and California most likely won’t go too much lower.  
 

The states that can still drop off decently would be PA, MI, IL, CT and MA.   The rest of the states are pretty low.

 

My hopes are that the summer absolutely crushes the virus.  That is a possibility but there are diverging forces working against it as people begin to get out more.   If that R rate keeps dropping maybe we will be in for a good surprise.

It’s actually possible that the lock downs are only serving to extend the now clearly flattened curve.

[Cinga]

Very good take from a Texas Doctor. If you want to rush to the point, FF to about 5 minutes in

 

[Beast]

Too bad we have so many people with no backbone in our country.

 

Edited May 21, 2020 by Beast

[Reality Check]

I strongly suggest people watch this.

 

[Beast]

9 hours ago, Reality Check said:

I strongly suggest people watch this.

 

 
That would be what starts bloodshed in this country....No matter your political affiliation.

 

Tens of thousand die from the Flu every year in this country and that vaccine is voluntary.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Beast

[Cinga]

11 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

I strongly suggest people watch this.

 

 

Dershowitz is losing it... In a Republic, the rights of the individual is prioritized over that of the masses. He is talking about the "common good" crap that is born of majority rule. Forced vaccination and that whole welfare crap. 
I know, I know... precedent... Jacobson v Mass. But I would like to see that ruling challenged in modern times before lining people up like cattle.

[GG]

10 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

Dershowitz is losing it... In a Republic, the rights of the individual is prioritized over that of the masses. He is talking about the "common good" crap that is born of majority rule. Forced vaccination and that whole welfare crap. 
I know, I know... precedent... Jacobson v Mass. But I would like to see that ruling challenged in modern times before lining people up like cattle.

In Dersh's defense, he was talking about legal precedent not advocating a policy.  

 

PS, he is wrong on the position that a Wuhan vaccine stops the spread vs preventing the infection for the carrier.   Therefore, the govt can't force Wuhan vaccines.

 

 

Edited May 21, 2020 by GG