The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Franco_92]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

That's quite the selective list.  Nobody really cares about the Mexican Wall, other than a dog whistle to people like you.  The real action is what's happening to slow the flow of illicit activity through the Southern border.

 

Other than that, nice of you to ignore the reinvigoration of the military and stopping the leading from behind foreign policy, never minding ending support for terrorist regimes.  Also conveniently ignoring taking a firm stance with China and prompting companies to reconsider that country to be the sole source for the supply chain.

 

But yeah, let's hold the economic devastation of the Wuhan Virus against him, when the economy was firing on all cylinders through March.  Funny how USA's life expectancy started to rise again in 2018 after a decade fall.

 

He's done nothing at all.

 

 

 

To be fair, I'm quite disappointed with wall/border progress, especially considering the first two years had R majority in both the house and the senate. 

 

In addition to his continued propping up of figures both inside and outside of the white house, who are trash on immigration, both legal and illegal (constantly telling us to buy Charlie Kirk's book is just one example) 

Edited May 8, 2020 by arcane

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Bet you dont get paid for this post. Screwed this one up!

Paid to post? Are you paid to say dishonest, uniformed things, or do you do it because you are a social parasite? 

[fansince88]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Paid to post? Are you paid to say dishonest, uniformed things, or do you do it because you are a social parasite? 

That reply was lame. 

[dpberr]

5 hours ago, shoshin said:

He has talked about it a lot pushing people to register for mail in ballots. Gotta be a party member for it to matter. 
 

Health Sec Levine is being absurdly cautious and has his ear. Don't be shocked if she pushes him to extend the shutdown further. Philly is 8x and most other counties are 4X the threshold she set for opening. 

 

Both the feds (what virus? there's nothing to worry about!) and the state of Pennsylvania (this is a super virus, it's going to murder everyone) have somehow managed to botch the pandemic response in uniquely different ways.

 

I like that Pennsylvania has a pediatrician making the decisions on pandemic response.  Not an epidemiologist from Penn or Jeff or UPMC or perhaps a committee of infectious disease specialists from a state with like 10+ academic medical centers.  Nope, we've got a pediatrician from Hershey doing it.

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, fansince88 said:

That reply was lame. 

 

That's because he IS paid to post. He literally has no ability to do anything other than represent the leftist message here, at news online message boards, etc. You can tell when you start to see his stuff is pretty much verbatim what you see everywhere else on other message boards. He usually is quick to push the new narrative (i.e. "yes, but Flynn lied, so that's all that mattered!") at the precise morning the left starts pushing it out.

 

Watch. You'll see. Just a paid hack.Throw him on ignore and watch the board content get better immediately.

[fansince88]

1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

That's because he IS paid to post. He literally has no ability to do anything other than represent the leftist message here, at news online message boards, etc. You can tell when you start to see his stuff is pretty much verbatim what you see everywhere else on other message boards. He usually is quick to push the new narrative (i.e. "yes, but Flynn lied, so that's all that mattered!") at the precise morning the left starts pushing it out.

 

Watch. You'll see. Just a paid hack.Throw him on ignore and watch the board content get better immediately.

Im aware of this. Got Q on ignore. Probably should do the same with this moron. That said, I had to a good time slamming him

Edited May 8, 2020 by fansince88

[Uncle Joe]

20 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Bet you dont get paid for this post. Screwed this one up!

I was picturing clowns with masks.

[Boatdrinks]

53 minutes ago, B-Man said:

NEWS  CORONAVIRUS

 

1 in 4 Americans says they would refuse COVID-19 vaccine, poll says

 

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday.

 

(Excerpt) Read more at abcactionnews.com ...

 

 

 

If these polls are accurate, the lack of understanding with regards to the economy and how it works is stunning. Keeping the economy simply cannot continue. States, counties and cities are already into deficit spending after just over one month. That means drastic cuts will be made to everything. The federal government can’t pay people to stay home continuouslyThe entire economic system will crumble. Millions of Americans are out of work, and fewer business will survive with each week of economic shutdown. There won’t be a country left. Some people are going to die of Covid 19, and that’s a new reality. Destroying millions of lives and the entire country as we know it isn’t an option here. Most people that get infected with the Wuhan virus won’t even know they’ve had it or have mild symptoms. It’s amazing that so many Americans have no idea how their country functions or what makes it the greatest nation on Earth.

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Could have sworn that Trump referred to himself as a wartime president. If he wasn't referring to the virus he has delusionally convinced himself that we're fighting a war with another country. It's probably Greenland.

 

The virus isn't affecting 1 state. It's infecting every state. It needs to have a plan from the top, a consistent strategy, not a hey you guys figure it out because I'm too busy tweeting about my ratings.

 

You know, like the way you would look at this if it was a Dem president. 

Couldn’t even make it through one post. Good lord you’re pathetic. 
 

And that last sentence?  That is comedy gold right there. You are calling someone an ass because they might possibly could potentially do EXACTLY what you’re doing. Do you even think before you type?  ?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

45 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I didn't vote in 2016 - and I had voted in every presidential election since 1980. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Clinton or Trump.

 

However, I will be voting for Trump in November.

 

Welcome aboard old timer,

 

Signed, the one who could be billsfan1961

 

 

***Also, something that troubles me.  I've voted conservative the majority of my adult, but could reasonably fit into a libertarian mold if i really thought it all through.  Prior to Trump and Clinton receiving the nominations of their respective parties, I was troubled.  I enjoyed watching The Apprentice, found Trump obnoxiously amusing at various times throughout my life, and recall exactly where I was when the news was broadcast that he was running for President.  I was just outside Springfield, Mass, running a bobtail east to Bangor to pick up a load of delta smelt and listening to the radio.  

 

Anyway, I thought something along the lines of 'this might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard'.  I would not have voted for Clinton, and Sanders makes my skin crawl, but I thought---Biden.  Could I vote for Biden?  Could I settle like that?  There is little doubt in my mind I would not have gone that route if things played out differently, but in light of all I know now, it makes me nauseous.  

 

(Truthfully, I was on my was to a hotel for a seminar that can be best summarized as much less exciting than driving a bobtail out East to Maine, or at least I would think so). 

Edited May 8, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims:

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates

 

[Chef Jim]

My doctor has been working with me to get my D levels up. Last visit they were too high. LOL 

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, Reality Check said:

It doesn't make sense to you because they are measuring real world results in a real life situation. Please promise me that no matter what happens, that you never ever ever ever take hydroxy-chloroquine sulphate under any circumstance. That would mean a victory for Trump who is pushing a drug that is simple and cheap to make. Make sure you take a double dose of that rubbish Gilead is pushing at thousands of dollars per prescription. No problem paying for it because that is where billions in new debt will likely end up. Did it ever occur to you at all that you only exist as a legal vessel for bankers to wash their debt through, with corporations as their pass through mechanisms? The debt washes through us once or twice if we are lucky, and they collect it in the end. You are left with the debt, they get to juggle it on digital Wall Street making billions on digital slot machines while you are left hiding in your home, wondering what the hell happened. Good luck my friend.

 

There have been studies of hydrochloroquine. They didn't show what we would want. The only evidence of HCQ so far is anecdotal, meaning, it's not measuring up to the actual science. I wish it wasn't true too but it is. 

 

38 minutes ago, dpberr said:

 

Both the feds (what virus? there's nothing to worry about!) and the state of Pennsylvania (this is a super virus, it's going to murder everyone) have somehow managed to botch the pandemic response in uniquely different ways.

 

I like that Pennsylvania has a pediatrician making the decisions on pandemic response.  Not an epidemiologist from Penn or Jeff or UPMC or perhaps a committee of infectious disease specialists from a state with like 10+ academic medical centers.  Nope, we've got a pediatrician from Hershey doing it.

 

 

I could not agree more with this. Levine is ignoring the CDC guidelines and has set a completely arbitrary line that counties have to meet. That line doesn't take into account the hospital capacity of a county, the availability of beds, testing positive % decreasing even as test #s increase. It's just: Hit the "50" number. 

 

She makes me mental. In her defense, the Physician General of a state is usually a throwaway job, so she's getting her moment in the sun and believes she's up to it based on her experience as " Chief of the Division of Adolescent Medicine and Eating Disorders at the Penn State Hershey Medical Center." She's as qualified to make epidemiology decisions as Trump is to offer research theories on injecting surface disinfectants. 

 

I think Wolf is smart but he's unwilling to make a slightly more aggressive decision. ***** him.  

 

 

Edited May 8, 2020 by shoshin

[Magox]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

A quick mention of Covid 19, if that's okay.

 

Some Good News: The Rate Of New Positive Cases Is Declining

 

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/05/07/good-news-rate-new-positive-cases-declining/

 

 

 

 

I have been harping on this for a couple weeks.   This is the best gauge we have for gauging prevalency of the Virus.    The deaths are a lagging indicator and have been stubbornly high and a lot of that is due to newly discovered deaths in homes and nursing homes and the counting of the “probables”.

 

But the deaths will go down because the actual amount of people who are positive are most likely going down along with the hospitalizations. My guess is pretty soon we will see it decline in a meaningful way pretty soon unless of course they keep finding more deaths in these homes.

 

 

[shoshin]

6 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I have been harping on this for a couple weeks.   This is the best gauge we have for gauging prevalency of the Virus.    The deaths are a lagging indicator and have been stubbornly high and a lot of that is due to newly discovered deaths in homes and nursing homes and the counting of the “probables”.

 

But the deaths will go down because the actual amount of people who are positive are most likely going down along with the hospitalizations. My guess is pretty soon we will see it decline in a meaningful way pretty soon unless of course they keep finding more deaths in these homes.

 

 

 

It's literally in the CDC guidelines as one of the keys to open the gate to the next opening phase. 

[Magox]

8 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

It's literally in the CDC guidelines as one of the keys to open the gate to the next opening phase. 

 

That’s funny because last I checked I’ve been the only one talking about it in any sort of a meaningful way.  Where you pretty much have been giving the standard “we need more testing”. 
 

I could get that sort of insight on CNN

[Foxx]

45 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I have been harping on this for a couple weeks.   This is the best gauge we have for gauging prevalency of the Virus.    The deaths are a lagging indicator and have been stubbornly high and a lot of that is due to newly discovered deaths in homes and nursing homes and the counting of the “probables”.

 

But the deaths will go down because the actual amount of people who are positive are most likely going down along with the hospitalizations. My guess is pretty soon we will see it decline in a meaningful way pretty soon unless of course they keep finding more deaths in these homes.

 

 

umm... with increased testing, shouldn't the positive rate fall as a byproduct?

[shoshin]

30 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

That’s funny because last I checked I’ve been the only one talking about it in any sort of a meaningful way.  Where you pretty much have been giving the standard “we need more testing”. 
 

I could get that sort of insight on CNN

Nope. I’ve mentioned it here a bunch of times. % positive is one of the CDC gates. 
 

And yes we need more testing too, but mostly the serology tests. Those are vital. 

[Magox]

32 minutes ago, Foxx said:

umm... with increased testing, shouldn't the positive rate fall as a byproduct?

Not necessarily.

 

The claims were that everyone that wanted or needed a test weren’t getting them.   Keep in mind that the vast majority of tests that are being provided are for symptomatic people who potentially have the virus in high prevalency areas.
 

That still stands today.  Generally, Whoever is showing symptoms jump to the front of line to get tested.  Meaning symptomatic people who potentially have the virus are more likely to be tested than asymptomatic people.    
 

In high infection areas where prevalency is higher the share of people taking tests are those that are symptomatic.   Areas that are less hard hit the share of people taking tests trend towards being asymptomatic.

 

There is a correlation between the number of symptomatic suspected carriers that are taking tests to the prevalency of the virus in that particular area.    
 

So in cases such as Florida for instance where the total infections are actually going down in such a large state and with the increased testing, you are seeing the rate decline because you there are more people with milder signs and asymptomatic people which is diluting the rate.  That is a sign of low prevalency.

 

Whereas New York or NJ especially a couple weeks ago, with the limited testing they had they had to largely test symptomatic people who had the hallmark symptoms first and the infection rates were incredibly high at over 50% positive testing.  Indicating extremely high prevalency in the area.

28 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Nope. I’ve mentioned it here a bunch of times. % positive is one of the CDC gates. 
 

And yes we need more testing too, but mostly the serology tests. Those are vital. 

  
o kayy 

Edited May 8, 2020 by Magox

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, GG said:

That's quite the selective list.  Nobody really cares about the Mexican Wall, other than a dog whistle to people like you.  The real action is what's happening to slow the flow of illicit activity through the Southern border.

 

Other than that, nice of you to ignore the reinvigoration of the military and stopping the leading from behind foreign policy, never minding ending support for terrorist regimes.  Also conveniently ignoring taking a firm stance with China and prompting companies to reconsider that country to be the sole source for the supply chain.

 

But yeah, let's hold the economic devastation of the Wuhan Virus against him, when the economy was firing on all cylinders through March.  Funny how USA's life expectancy started to rise again in 2018 after a decade fall.

 

He's done nothing at all.

 

 

 

Mostly non specifics and platitudes on your end.  You also ignore the fact that the economic catastrophe was caused by such things as trump downplaying the virus (it’s their new hoax!), trying to wish it away (home by April!), and ignoring domestic warnings about the danger.  Apparently you like fake winners and people who make hoaxy promises they don’t keep (wall! GDP! China deal!).  I don’t.  I prefer leaders who keep their word.  

[shoshin]

29 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

  
o kayy 

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. I’ve promoted the CDC guidelines and the gates to move between phases since day one. And % positive specifically. It’s one of the key measurements of that plan because it recognized that more tests would mean more cases. Not rocket science. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Three cops! (Click the photo, then click the ---> to see the next one up close)
 

 

[GG]

59 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Mostly non specifics and platitudes on your end.  You also ignore the fact that the economic catastrophe was caused by such things as trump downplaying the virus (it’s their new hoax!), trying to wish it away (home by April!), and ignoring domestic warnings about the danger.  Apparently you like fake winners and people who make hoaxy promises they don’t keep (wall! GDP! China deal!).  I don’t.  I prefer leaders who keep their word.  

 

Ok smart guy, what should have Trump done to stop the virus spread?  A detailed answer is appreciated since you require specifics.

[Doc Brown]

12 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Ok smart guy, what should have Trump done to stop the virus spread?  A detailed answer is appreciated since you require specifics.

Nuke China two years ago.

[njbuff]

3 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims:

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates

 

 

I am now jealous of spilled milk.

[Justice]

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Couldn’t even make it through one post. Good lord you’re pathetic. 
 

And that last sentence?  That is comedy gold right there. You are calling someone an ass because they might possibly could potentially do EXACTLY what you’re doing. Do you even think before you type?  ?

I’m pretty sure you misunderstood his last sentence there. What he meant was would you have felt the same way if a Dem President did exactly what Trump is doing. That’s how I took it. 

[shoshin]

Just one mention of percent positive. A lot more mentions about how good the Trump guidelines are everywhere in my posts. 

In other data news, though we have been much slower to decline on deaths than other countries, fingers crossed that we are actually on the downslope finally. 
 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

 

 

[GG]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Just one mention of percent positive. A lot more mentions about how good the Trump guidelines are everywhere in my posts. 

In other data news, though we have been much slower to decline on deaths than other countries, fingers crossed that we are actually on the downslope finally. 
 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

 

 

That should be expected as it moves across the states.  

[Chef Jim]

31 minutes ago, Justice said:

I’m pretty sure you misunderstood his last sentence there. What he meant was would you have felt the same way if a Dem President did exactly what Trump is doing. That’s how I took it. 

Ok then I’ll go back and change my response to @Kemp to:

 

If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle. 

[plenzmd1]

7 hours ago, Reality Check said:

 Make sure you take a double dose of that rubbish Gilead is pushing at thousands of dollars per prescription. No problem paying for it because that is where billions in new debt will likely end up. 

Okay..so let me get this straight..a double blind study with positive verifiable results is rubbish.

 

Gilead giving away 1.5 million doses, yes giving it away equals, thousands of dollars per dose.

 

And I suppose the $1B spent on development of the drug should just be forgotten, after all it costs only $10 to produce. Eat the billion, its the socialist way!

 

Man, you a Bernie guy? By this posts, sure sounds like it.

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Okay..so let me get this straight..a double blind study with positive verifiable results is rubbish.

 

Gilead giving away 1.5 million doses, yes giving it away equals, thousands of dollars per dose.

 

And I suppose the $1B spent on development of the drug should just be forgotten, after all it costs only $10 to produce. Eat the billion, its the socialist way!

 

Man, you a Bernie guy? By this posts, sure sounds like it.

 

 

 

 

 

People think pharma just magically pull pills from their ass. 

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

People think pharma just magically pull pills from their ass. 

ain that the truth. Whats the old adage? You dont pay me for turning the screw to fix your machine, you pay me knowing which screw to turn

[SectionC3]

3 hours ago, GG said:

 

Ok smart guy, what should have Trump done to stop the virus spread?  A detailed answer is appreciated since you require specifics.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2020/3/14/21177509/coronavirus-trump-covid-19-pandemic-response
 

that pretty much sums it up.  I’ll add earlier work on prophylactic measures (eg, promoting use of masks in keeping with domestic intel warnings from early 2020) and PPE production would have helped.  But hey, the guy’s got next to nothing to show for 3.5 years in office (a point you have yet to meaningfully refute), so why set anything other than a low bar? 
 

Bottom line: you settle for a loser in a position of leadership.  I don’t and won’t.  That’s what sets us apart. 

[3rdnlng]

7 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

That's because he IS paid to post. He literally has no ability to do anything other than represent the leftist message here, at news online message boards, etc. You can tell when you start to see his stuff is pretty much verbatim what you see everywhere else on other message boards. He usually is quick to push the new narrative (i.e. "yes, but Flynn lied, so that's all that mattered!") at the precise morning the left starts pushing it out.

 

Watch. You'll see. Just a paid hack.Throw him on ignore and watch the board content get better immediately.

There is quite a disparity between his posts. On the one hand he fumbles his way through a sentence with misspellings and bad grammar accentuated by the misuse of words then on the other hand he writes copies and pastes two or three paragraphs that are well written but FUBAR. 

[Q-baby!]

7 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

My doctor has been working with me to get my D levels up. Last visit they were too high. LOL 

Glad to hear you are getting plenty of D. 

[shoshin]

Another promising treatment study. A cocktail of several somewhat readily available drugs. 
 

Patients hospitalized with COVID-19 who received a combination therapy with three antivirals -- protease inhibitor lopinavir-ritonavir (Kaletra), nucleoside analogue ribavirin, and injectable interferon beta-1b (Betaseron, Extavia) -- showed significantly shorter median time to a negative SARS-CoV-2 test versus controls, a small phase II trial found.

[shoshin]

9 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

People think pharma just magically pull pills from their ass. 

When I was at Merck, I saw the time and money and dedication that truly brilliant and good people put in for 3-10 years only to see their hard work disappear in a proper study. It was heartbreaking. That’s why we do the studies. Smart dedicated people’s hopes and the $$ invested need verification. And those failed study moments are money the companies just lose. Reality sees Gilead as a villain in this. 
 

There is a newish anti-big-business sect. It’s a leftist message dressed up in right-wing conspiracy language that has rightish mass appeal because of its revolution undertone. A strange left-right bedfellow that neither side would ever admit. 

Edited May 9, 2020 by shoshin

[shoshin]

******
When the vaccine comes, let’s assume states require it for kids and certain jobs. Maybe travel requirements too. Do you think we are strong enough to all band together and take it as a whole like we did with smallpox?

 

I see anti-vaccine, anti-mask, magical non-science thinking (who needs scientific studies of drug treatments when we have anecdotes?) and I wonder. I hope we can but I do wonder. 

[shoshin]

10,000 person NIH study underway to determine spread. Take your blood and some phone surveys. The results of this will be important to chart spread. 

[Magox]

41 minutes ago, shoshin said:

10,000 person NIH study underway to determine spread. Take your blood and some phone surveys. The results of this will be important to chart spread. 

 

I like the idea but 10k is a rather small sample for the country.  Not sure this will get an accurate representation.