The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[JetsFan20]

8 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

As a New Yorker I have to say this map is skewed.  If you look at the NY map you see orange. If you separate NNY from the city it is more light blue 

I think that’s the issue right now governors are dealing with in regards to reopening a.

 

Big states like PA and NY where the hotspots are isolated to the major cities makes things complicated. 

[fansince88]

Just now, JetsFan20 said:

I think that’s the issue right now governors are dealing with in regards to reopening a.

 

Big states like PA and NY where the hotspots are isolated to the major cities makes things complicated. 

Yes. For example I live right next door and work in the largest county in NY. St Lawerance County. Some 104 cases and 1 death. The healed are upwards of I think about 75 and 5 were hospitalized total so far. That county along with Jeefferson and Lewis should be working. We will suffer because of NYC. It is really sad. Would love to see them filter it through this states local officials.

[shoshin]

31 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

I think that’s the issue right now governors are dealing with in regards to reopening a.

 

Big states like PA and NY where the hotspots are isolated to the major cities makes things complicated. 

Philly isn’t a hotspot. Can’t even come close to comparing it to NY. NYC Metro is a zone unto itself in this. The closest cities are New Orleans and Detroit and they are not in the same galaxy. 
 

To the extent govs have to be more careful with reopening urban areas, they can easily be lagging behind rural counties on phased openings. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

Philly isn’t a hotspot. Can’t even come close to comparing it to NY. NYC Metro is a zone unto itself in this. 

The State of Pennsylvania sits at ‘only’ 46 deaths per million. Whereas New York State sits at 513 deaths per million. I assume Philadelphia’s number is higher and the rest of the state is bringing down the average but I’d think not to that great of an extent. For some reason the virus doesn’t appear to have spread into Philly.

[Foxx]

14 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Elective surgeries resuming cannot come soon enough.  A lot of hospitals are getting ready to lay off staff (if they have not already started).

 

but... i thought they were overwhelmed?

[Foxx]

from the Michigan rally.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b6GvszlkR0&feature=emb_logo

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 hours ago, fansince88 said:

Yes. For example I live right next door and work in the largest county in NY. St Lawerance County. Some 104 cases and 1 death. The healed are upwards of I think about 75 and 5 were hospitalized total so far. That county along with Jeefferson and Lewis should be working. We will suffer because of NYC. It is really sad. Would love to see them filter it through this states local officials.

When Trump said "county by county" as part of the presser yesterday, I was hoping Cuomo was listening and took it to heart.

 

Buffalo is  nearly 400 miles away from NYC.  Washington DC is closer to NYC. Heck, the North Carolina state line is just about the same distance to NYC as Buffalo is to NYC.  Big state. One size has never fit all, more so at this time.
 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

…..perhaps some good news...……..

Experimental coronavirus drug remdesivir shows promise in Chicago trial, report says

By James Rogers | Fox News

 

The experimental COVID-19 treatment remdesivir is showing promise in a Chicago clinical trial, according to the health news site STAT.

STAT reported that patients in the trial experienced rapid recoveries from fever and respiratory symptoms. Nearly all patients were discharged in less than a week, it said.

The news sent shares of remdesivir developer Gilead Sciences surging more than 14 percent in after-hours trading.

Some 125 people with COVID-19 -- 113 with severe symptoms -- were recruited by the University of Chicago Medicine into the two Gilead Phase 3 clinical trials, according to STAT. The news site obtained a recorded video discussion of the trial results.

In the video, Kathleen Mullane, the University of Chicago infectious disease specialist overseeing the remdesivir studies, said that most of the patients had already been discharged and only two had perished, according to STAT.

“Partial data from an ongoing clinical trial is by definition incomplete and should never be used to draw conclusions about the safety or efficacy of a potential treatment that is under investigation," said a spokeswoman for University of Chicago Medicine, in a statement emailed to Fox News."In this case, information from an internal forum for research colleagues concerning work in progress was released without  authorization. Drawing any conclusions at this point is premature and scientifically unsound.”

https://www.foxnews.com/science/experimental-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-chicago-trial-shows-promise

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

The State of Pennsylvania sits at ‘only’ 46 deaths per million. Whereas New York State sits at 513 deaths per million. I assume Philadelphia’s number is higher and the rest of the state is bringing down the average but I’d think not to that great of an extent. For some reason the virus doesn’t appear to have spread into Philly.

 

Philly is at 90 deaths/1M or 170 deaths/1M depending on how you count the area. Philadelphia like many cities out west, closed early but there is also a lot less population and people don't live like they do in NYC. It's not unaffected but it is having nothing like the NYC problem. The hospitals are struggling but only a few hospitals are having capacity issues and they are working with others to transfer patients. 

 

A sobering statistic follows the trend in many states that 50% of all the PA deaths have been in nursing homes. (Story was from yesterday.) In the WSJ story last week on that topic, lots of states had that exact number, with NY being a lower outlier due to so many deaths in NYC. 

 

22 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

…..perhaps some good news...……..

Experimental coronavirus drug remdesivir shows promise in Chicago trial, report says

By James Rogers | Fox News

 

The experimental COVID-19 treatment remdesivir is showing promise in a Chicago clinical trial, according to the health news site STAT.

 

There has been a buzz about Remdesivir for a while. I hope they can produce it quickly if it turns out as good as this initial data. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin

[Foxx]

Calvert County, Maryland.

 

Local health department suggests grocery store trips based on shoppers' last name

[Justice]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

Calvert County, Maryland.

 

Local health department suggests grocery store trips based on shoppers' last name

Yeah. I’d be changing my name to Xander. 

[snafu]

16 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

Where do you stop?

 

Do you remove every unheathy food item from society that contributes to the 750,000+ people that die of heart disease every year?

Do you mandate forced eating and excercise regimens that contribute to obesity, which is an underlying issue in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year?

Do you remove alcohol and drugs that contribute to 100,00 + deaths a year?

Do you remove cigarettes and all other things that contribute to the 600,000+ cancer deaths each year

Do you shut down the highways and take away cars that lead to thousands of deaths each year?

Do we social distance forever, to stop the 35,000-50,000 that die every year from the flu, pneumonia, and respiratory infections?

Do montior people 24 hours a day and remove any chance for them to harm themselves to stop the 40,000-50,000 people that commit suicide each year?

etc...

 

That was the Mike Bloomberg Mayoralty for 12 years.

That plus stop and frisk.

 

[snafu]

14 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I found out today I was a victim of red tape, system issues and a local credit union that wanted the standard to be higher than the PPP required.   My complaint to the CEO of the credit union has me in line for round two, but in some cases, it was a free for all, in others an orderly and excessive ckusterf$ck.

 

It was an exhilarating, frustrating, painful and ultimately fruitless pursuit.   I’m over simplifying, but indulge me...if a meteor or struck the entirety of the dem leadership while they were black-tie’ing at the Kennedy Center, I’d not be undisappointed.  
 

 

Plenzy in the house. Welcome back, and thanks for sharing. 

 

Some junior underwriter at Chase can’t read and royally fukked our application two days ago.

I had everything submitted on that first Sunday, the 5th.  Eventually some moron at the bank will see things my way, but the money is run out.

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-china-announces-jump-death-toll-wuhan-china-n1186006

 

Nearly 1,300 people who died of the coronavirus in the Chinese city of Wuhan, where the virus was first detected, were not counted in death tolls, state media announced Friday.

Officials increased the number of coronavirus deaths by 1,290, bringing the city's total to 3,869.

 

The updated figure follows allegations from the United States that China had failed to alert the world soon enough about the onset of the virus and that their data was skewed. Beijing has dismissed claims that there has been any kind of cover-up.

 

Still low. But there making sure there cover up looks better.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[BillStime]

So Trumpian... pennies for you and me - millions for the rich.  Love how the GreedOverPeople is looking out for small businesses and average Americans like Buffalo Bills fans...

 

Over 43,000 US millionaires will get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each

 

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 10,000 times, I must be a Trump supporter

 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by BillStime

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

15 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Some junior underwriter at Chase can’t read and royally fukked our application two days ago.

I had everything submitted on that first Sunday, the 5th.  Eventually some moron at the bank will see things my way, but the money is run out.

 

Key Bank for me.  Long story short, my wife submitted her app, I submitted mine. Seems the fact that we used the same email address (our home address) brought the entire %$#@ing system down. My wife's was approved, which helps assuming they fund--they assure us they will, mine still lost in limbo. 20 phone calls, emails, promises but in the end, nothing.

 

Credit union squeeze was diff.  Exec level manager told me they tried to help many, probably too many, and were too stringent. 

 

I'm really sorry to hear about your issues Snaf, best of luck on the next go round. 

[shoshin]

17 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Where do you stop?

 

Do you remove every unheathy food item from society that contributes to the 750,000+ people that die of heart disease every year?

Do you mandate forced eating and excercise regimens that contribute to obesity, which is an underlying issue in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year?

Do you remove alcohol and drugs that contribute to 100,00 + deaths a year?

Do you remove cigarettes and all other things that contribute to the 600,000+ cancer deaths each year

Do you shut down the highways and take away cars that lead to thousands of deaths each year?

Do we social distance forever, to stop the 35,000-50,000 that die every year from the flu, pneumonia, and respiratory infections?

Do montior people 24 hours a day and remove any chance for them to harm themselves to stop the 40,000-50,000 people that commit suicide each year?

etc...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

So Trumpian... pennies for you and me - millions for the rich.  Love how the GreedOverPeople is looking out for small businesses and average Americans like Buffalo Bills fans...

 

Over 43,000 US millionaires will get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each

 

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 10,000 times, I must be a Trump supporter

 

 

 

 

You know i'm a Independent right? Hope they use common sense and not eat crap sandwiches. I think they use common sense over that.

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great post facts based rather then opinions based. 

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

 

 

 

 

So deaths that occur in clusters are more tragic than those that occur continually?

 

My point is, there are a lot of deaths that occur every day in this country that are preventable. To what degree do we go to prevent them?

Edited April 17, 2020 by billsfan1959

[TH3]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

You know i'm a Independent right? Hope they use common sense and not eat crap sandwiches. I think they use common sense over that.

ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!!

[shoshin]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

So deaths that occur in clusters are more tragic than those that occur continually?

 

Do you remember what travel was like on September 10? If you do, then you know the answer. 

 

And as far as these deaths go, they would not spike up to where they are now, and then go away, so yes, we need to react to these deaths in a different way. If Covid-19 is here every year killing 100K+ people a year for the foreseeable future, then it will become something we get used to dealing with in the same way we deal with cancer, driving deaths, etc. But right now our healthcare, morgues, nursing homes etc cannot deal with this. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin

[billsfan1959]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

Do you remember what travel was like on September 10? If you do, then you know the answer. 

 

And as far as these deaths go, they would not spike up to where they are now, and then go away, so yes, we need to react to these deaths in a different way. If Covid-19 is here every year filling 100K people, then it will become something we get used to dealing with in the same way we deal with cancer, driving deaths, etc. 

 

I edited my post that you responded to. My point is not that we shouldn’t be reacting to these deaths in a different way. My point was how far do we go? My illustration of the millions of deaths that occurred in this country every year was to say that there are hundreds of thousands of deaths that occur every year in this country that are preventable. To what degree do we go to to prevent them?

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, TH3 said:

ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!!

 

lol is this all you guys got? Only thing you can come here with knowledge is sht sandwiches. Jesus you guys eat sht sandwiches? I want no part of you're guys weird food diets. lol

[Foxx]

5 minutes ago, TH3 said:

ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!!

you're an unequaled idiot.

[ALF]

16 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Elective surgeries resuming cannot come soon enough.  A lot of hospitals are getting ready to lay off staff (if they have not already started).

 

 

The small hospital where I live have 60 on lay off , dentist emergencies only.  When this started it was to save PPE for metro NYC 

 

Once they have enough stock and low volume covid they should restart.

[shoshin]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

I edited my post that you responded to. My point is not that we shouldn’t be reacting to these deaths in a different way. My point was how far do we go? My illustration of the millions of deaths that occurred in this country every year was to say that there are hundreds of thousands of deaths that occur every year in this country that are preventable. To what degree do we go to to prevent them?

 

We don't shut down. We can't stay shut down here either. I think the federal level system unveiled yesterday makes a lot of sense to get out of this. I expect states will follow some of these courses

 

(1) States/regions will go through the phases and return to normal without tracing/tracking (best case, unlikely)

(2) State/regions will bounce between levels 0-1-2 and back multiple times, while ignoring tracing/tracking and fudging other requirements, growing herd immunity but messing with the economy over a longer course of time (most likely)

(3) States will do some bouncing and then get on board with tracing and tracking and move through the phases linearly

(4) States will try the guidelines and eventually just say ***** it and trample the dead bodies on the way to herd immunity 

 

 

[BillStime]

Americans are waking up, save for the 35% that are just plain racist and dumb AF.

Trump’s poll numbers continue to decline.

2/3 of Americans say he acted too slowly.

2/3 of Americans say they are concerned about reopening too quickly.

73% expect the outbreak to get worse.

Most Americans Say Trump Was Too Slow in Initial Response to Coronavirus Threat | Wide concern that states will lift COVID-19 restrictions too quickly

 

 

[snafu]

23 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Key Bank for me.  Long story short, my wife submitted her app, I submitted mine. Seems the fact that we used the same email address (our home address) brought the entire %$#@ing system down. My wife's was approved, which helps assuming they fund--they assure us they will, mine still lost in limbo. 20 phone calls, emails, promises but in the end, nothing.

 

Credit union squeeze was diff.  Exec level manager told me they tried to help many, probably too many, and were too stringent. 

 

I'm really sorry to hear about your issues Snaf, best of luck on the next go round. 

 

At least you got to talk with a human wrt your Credit Union. 

With Chase, I did get a human, but he’s like the low man at the car dealership. Can’t talk to anyone else. 

 

I chose snafu for my screen name based upon personal experience.

Good luck to you, too, Len.  The money isn’t desperate by any stretch, but I’m only speaking for me, not my staff — who may feel different and who are relying on me.

 

19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

So deaths that occur in clusters are more tragic than those that occur continually?

 

My point is, there are a lot of deaths that occur every day in this country that are preventable. To what degree do we go to prevent them?

 

Experts barely understand this virus and how to treat it.

Gotta give them a bit more time. That’s my view. And by “a bit” I mean not a lot.  Now is treatment focused, as far as I’d do things. Open up slowly to keep hospitalizations and the R-factor down.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 minutes ago, TH3 said:

ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!!

Is that what you took away from that?  FYI, they are not loans if used to keep folks employed and fund payroll, the PPP extends grant money, ya silly goose.

 

On your point about being connected--I agree with you, those with the capacity and power get in line first and have the resources to get things accomplished that I do not.  That's an unfortunate part of life, but it's a reality that is on a continuous auto-loop decade after decade after decade.  As an example, @transplantbillsfan indicated he is a teacher.  Seems like a nice enough guy, probably has a couple loose screws upstairs ?, who knows--maybe he feels the same about me, or thinks about me not at all.  I don't know where he works, but let's assume he's a teacher in the public school system.  Relative to most Americans, he would be a have.  Income continues unchecked, benefits continue unchecked, pension continues unchecked and ultimately unmarred by market performance on the down side.  There has not been one call, one scream, nor even a whisper to stop/forgive/defer/negotiate property and school taxes even though "people are hurting".  I'm self employed, my business is impacted and I shared my PPP story.  I still have to figure a way to pay the king come October, like it or not, income challenged or not. 

 

He's a have*. I'm a have not. 

 

Do we really have to pretend this doesn't play out everyday across the country, pandemic or not?

 

It seems silly to me.  I wish nothing but good things for Transpy as a human being, but the facts are what they are.  

 

Stay safe.

 

*Again, in my analogy, the presumption is Transplant isn't the Sex Ed teacher at Cardinal O'Hara.  

[billsfan1959]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

lol is this all you guys got? Only thing you can come here with knowledge is sht sandwiches. Jesus you guys eat sht sandwiches? I want no part of you're guys weird food diets. lol

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

COVID19 update, April 16, 2020:    Germany’s exit roadmap;   brief Belgium update;   UPDATE: Switzerland’s time table.

 

 

 

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[billsfan1959]

13 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

We don't shut down. We can't stay shut down here either. I think the federal level system unveiled yesterday makes a lot of sense to get out of this. I expect states will follow some of these courses

 

(1) States/regions will go through the phases and return to normal without tracing/tracking (best case, unlikely)

(2) State/regions will bounce between levels 0-1-2 and back multiple times, while ignoring tracing/tracking and fudging other requirements, growing herd immunity but messing with the economy over a longer course of time (most likely)

(3) States will do some bouncing and then get on board with tracing and tracking and move through the phases linearly

(4) States will try the guidelines and eventually just say ***** it and trample the dead bodies on the way to herd immunity 

 

 

I don’t disagree with this. My original post was to someone wanting an indefinite shut down until the virus is completely under control
 

[dubs]

14 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Americans are waking up, save for the 35% that are just plain racist and dumb AF.

 

 

Go back to sleep child, let the adults handle this. 
 

Another NPC for the ignore list!

[ALF]

The  damage China has done to the world is catastrophic . The very least they could have done is not charge for PPE , ventilators and related meds.

[Franco_92]

If the left is still thinking, as billstime suggests, that their opponents are merely driven by being "racist and dumb af" then they didn't learn ***** from 2016 and will endure another lesson in 2020

[meazza]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!!

So then why did the dems approve it ?

[B-Man]

 

 

We need to reopen................

 

 

 

 

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[KRC]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

…..perhaps some good news...……..

Experimental coronavirus drug remdesivir shows promise in Chicago trial, report says

By James Rogers | Fox News

 

The experimental COVID-19 treatment remdesivir is showing promise in a Chicago clinical trial, according to the health news site STAT.

STAT reported that patients in the trial experienced rapid recoveries from fever and respiratory symptoms. Nearly all patients were discharged in less than a week, it said.

The news sent shares of remdesivir developer Gilead Sciences surging more than 14 percent in after-hours trading.

Some 125 people with COVID-19 -- 113 with severe symptoms -- were recruited by the University of Chicago Medicine into the two Gilead Phase 3 clinical trials, according to STAT. The news site obtained a recorded video discussion of the trial results.

In the video, Kathleen Mullane, the University of Chicago infectious disease specialist overseeing the remdesivir studies, said that most of the patients had already been discharged and only two had perished, according to STAT.

“Partial data from an ongoing clinical trial is by definition incomplete and should never be used to draw conclusions about the safety or efficacy of a potential treatment that is under investigation," said a spokeswoman for University of Chicago Medicine, in a statement emailed to Fox News."In this case, information from an internal forum for research colleagues concerning work in progress was released without  authorization. Drawing any conclusions at this point is premature and scientifically unsound.”

https://www.foxnews.com/science/experimental-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-chicago-trial-shows-promise

 

 

Does Trump have $90 or so invested in Gilead? If not, it can be used. Otherwise, look for an alternative.

[Koko78]

9 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

Does Trump have $90 or so invested in Gilead? If not, it can be used. Otherwise, look for an alternative.

 

Even worse, I hear that a member of Trump's administration has a friend who knows a guy who invested $12 into the company that makes the drug.

 

Total corruption. Trump is an actual literal super mecha-Hitler.

[KRC]

1 minute ago, Koko78 said:

 

Even worse, I hear that a member of Trump's administration has a friend who knows a guy who invested $12 into the company that makes the drug.

 

Total corruption. Trump is an actual literal super mecha-Hitler.

 

IMPEACH!!