Blank Stare Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, Augie said: Donald Sterling may have been the only owner worse than Haslam, and Sterling was (deservedly) forced to go away. I feel bad for Browns fans, everyone deserves better than this. Is it 7 HC’s since 2012? That’s just incredible. Idk. Haslam is definitely awful, but Danny Snyder holds his own in that department. Couldn’t imagine being a fan of either of those franchises. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 minute ago, TheProcess said: Idk. Haslam is definitely awful, but Danny Snyder holds his own in that department. Couldn’t imagine being a fan of either of those franchises. I look at it this way: 1) Snyder is a bad owner 2) Haslam is a bad owner and a crook 3) Sterling was a bad owner and a racist Sterlings wins....or is that loses? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, Augie said: I look at it this way: 1) Snyder is a bad owner 2) Haslam is a bad owner and a crook 3) Sterling was a bad owner and a racist Sterlings wins....or is that loses? Sterling made off with a handsome sum, so at least he’s got that going for him. Even if he’s a disgrace. As for Snyder and Haslam, even in our darkest days while we were going through the drought I always had hope that we’d luck into something like a “Mahomes-type” draft pick to change our fortunes or a worst to first year. It just wasn’t meant to be for all the reasons we know. But funnily enough, I never lost hope year to year. Maybe that’s the feeling they have too which keeps them going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 4:13 PM, YoloinOhio said: I don’t blame him with the way this is dragging on. I wonder if he decided during his 2nd interview that the clown suit wouldn’t fit Ike should have let GP keep rolling right into Moscow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 11 hours ago, Augie said: Is it 7 HC’s since 2012? That’s just incredible. Ah, but then again, variety is the spice of life. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I don’t blame him at all. He is supposed to be one of the most respected AGM’s in the NFL. With Haslam’s track record of soliciting advise from everyone he talks to and abruptly changing his mind on a whim + firing everyone, why would a top candidate go there until Haslam proves he’s willing to stick with a plan for more than 1-2 years? I pretty much expect the Browns to be perpetually starting over again every 2 years until they prove otherwise. I think if you get the right GM it can make up for great ownership...and the search should start right here at TBD as there are soooo many experts who “knew” in advance (retroactively) how great a player such as Mahomes was going to be even though going into the draft he was considered the third best QB by most ranking sites and a risky player. Haslam just needs to comb Thru old posts here and he is bound to find the next Ozzie Newsome with all the 3 year later analysis of how they knew player x who a team drafted in the 4th round and the consensus best linebacker in the draft would be a bust Edited January 26, 2020 by CorkScrewHill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 Berry previously worked under Sashi Brown during the run to 1-31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Looking like this will be another great story in Cleveland's epic and neverending tale of woe under Haslam's watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Berry previously worked under Sashi Brown during the run to 1-31 Lord alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Good. I was worried that one of the Bills guys was going to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Berry previously worked under Sashi Brown during the run to 1-31 Yes, he was VP of player personnel for the Browns. He was there when Kitchens was hired but was a proponent of hiring Stefanski so there’s some level of comfort there. He’s definitely DePodesta’s guy and was his target from the start of the search. Berry is an extremely intelligent guy who played. He was a three year All Ivy CB at Harvard where he got a Bachelors in Economics and a Masters in CIS. He’s a great fit for the analytics driven group there. You never know how that’ll work out, but it seems like there’s a good chance the Browns org will be on the same page. Whether they’ll be successful I couldn’t say. Even if there’s a lot of good people working together there, there is still the Haslams and team history to deal with. Still, Berry is smart guy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Yes, he was VP of player personnel for the Browns. He was there when Kitchens was hired but was a proponent of hiring Stefanski so there’s some level of comfort there. He’s definitely DePodesta’s guy and was his target from the start of the search. Berry is an extremely intelligent guy who played. He was a three year All Ivy CB at Harvard where he got a Bachelors in Economics and a Masters in CIS. He’s a great fit for the analytics driven group there. You never know how that’ll work out, but it seems like there’s a good chance the Browns org will be on the same page. Whether they’ll be successful I couldn’t say. Even if there’s a lot of good people working together there, there is still the Haslams and team history to deal with. Still, Berry is smart guy. I like both him and Stefanski. But! They have to give them TIME. These are young guys with a lot of potential and no experience in their new roles. The browns need to be patient. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I like both him and Stefanski. But! They have to give them TIME. These are young guys with a lot of potential and no experience in their new roles. The browns need to be patient. I couldn’t agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I like both him and Stefanski. But! They have to give them TIME. These are young guys with a lot of potential and no experience in their new roles. The browns need to be patient. If the Browns need to be patient, they'll be the opposite of that. They like to do the opposite of the right thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I like both him and Stefanski. But! They have to give them TIME. These are young guys with a lot of potential and no experience in their new roles. The browns need to be patient. They never seem to know when and where to exercise patience. I think they spent it all on Hue Jackson, and now they just pull the plug before the bathtub is even half full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Can the Browns hire a new owner? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I like both him and Stefanski. But! They have to give them TIME. These are young guys with a lot of potential and no experience in their new roles. The browns need to be patient. I was going to say the same thing. They Have To give them Time. Otherwise it Will fail. Again. They have the youngest GM in the league and a total rookie at HC (who’s barely even called plays). They are going to need some patience. But I’m not sure the Haslam’s have it in them. We will see, I guess. If they do actually end up firing this new crew again after 1-2 years, I honestly hope that every damn coach/exec turns down an interview w/the Browns. seriously, the haslam’s have owned the team 8 years and in that time they’ve had 7 coaches and 6 GMs. Edited January 28, 2020 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Dawg Check Fail! I think josh McDaniels is in there somewhere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 57 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dawg Check Fail! I think josh McDaniels is in there somewhere seriously just watching this episode with the wife as I was reading this post! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: seriously just watching this episode with the wife as I was reading this post! Shiann had more TDs at First Energy Stadium this year than OBJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Interesting moves. Dorsey’s guys, i guess. But they could scout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 12:17 PM, Steptide said: You could be right, but I think there's something to be said about continuity If he already knows the system then he can focus on improving as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Interesting moves. Dorsey’s guys, i guess. But they could scout. I get why these moves were made, and we have to wait to see who is hired to replace them, but still... This would make me a bit nervous if I was a Browns fan. Berry was a big part of those terrible Sashi Brown drafts before Dorsey/Wolf/Highsmith got there. Now the scouting/personnel department is right back to where it was before Dorsey, except Berry is now in charge instead of Sashi Brown. IMO This whole process makes the Haslam’s look even worse. They look like they have no clue what they’re doing. Just making decisions on a whim. I mean, It’s almost like they’re admitting that firing Sashi Brown (after going 1-31) was a mistake or something. They’re basically going back to the Sashi Brown regime even though Dorsey’s time there was much more productive than Brown’s. But let’s see who Berry replaces them with. If he truly is considered a well respected up-and-comer in NFL circles, who knows, he could end up attracting some good execs to fill those roles. No matter who he hires, the Haslam’s are going to need to show some patience for once. This kid is only 32yrs old. He’s going to make some mistakes learning on the job. I hope they actually give Berry + Stefanski a legit chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I get why these moves were made, and we have to wait to see who is hired to replace them, but still... This would make me a bit nervous if I was a Browns fan. Berry was a big part of those terrible Sashi Brown drafts before Dorsey/Wolf/Highsmith got there. Now the scouting/personnel department is right back to where it was before Dorsey, except Berry is now in charge instead of Sashi Brown. IMO This whole process makes the Haslam’s look even worse. They look like they have no clue what they’re doing. Just making decisions on a whim. I mean, It’s almost like they’re admitting that firing Sashi Brown (after going 1-31) was a mistake or something. They’re basically going back to the Sashi Brown regime even though Dorsey’s time there was much more productive than Brown’s. But let’s see who Berry replaces them with. If he truly is considered a well respected up-and-comer in NFL circles, who knows, he could end up attracting some good execs to fill those roles. No matter who he hires, the Haslam’s are going to need to show some patience for once. This kid is only 32yrs old. He’s going to make some mistakes learning on the job. I hope they actually give Berry + Stefanski a legit chance. Everything makes the Haslams look bad, because they are bad. Just bad people in general, who make bad decisions. That said, I like the look of Berry/Stefanski/Alex Van Pelt much more than the previous regime. Especially for this young team. Good point that they will need to give them time to learn and grow on the job. We'll see if Haslam can get out of his own way for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Sounds like Chris Polian has been canned in Jacksonville and is headed to Cleveland to work for Berry (they worked together in Indy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Wait until Barry finds out that he has to play second fiddle to a baseball stats guy that lives in California. Sometimes you take a gig thinking that you can slowly get the bosses to ease up on certain things and make it work, only to find out that they really meant what they said when they spelled out all of those ridiculous details in the interview process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 Chief of Staff? What does she do, hide the bodies in Berea? Congrats Callie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/25/2020 at 4:02 PM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: I still think it’s the monthly $25 gas card, and free coffees anytime at any Flying J. their vending machines have a great selection too! ? On 1/14/2020 at 4:33 PM, K-9 said: I’ve never heard of a head coach not discussing a game with the owner afterward. That said, the rest of it, especially the inclusion of an analytics guru on the headset during games, will not work. There’s enough chatter going on between plays as it is. That won’t work well, imo. And the idea of an analyst participating in game planning during the week is absurd. I'm curious as to how common this is. While I'm sure Jerrah World is calling in plays Al Davis style, having a coach rehash an entire game with his owner win or lose is not exactly a great use of one's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 so basically Stefanski had better hair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 4:13 PM, YoloinOhio said: I don’t blame him with the way this is dragging on. I wonder if he decided during his 2nd interview that the clown suit wouldn’t fit apparently there was an awkward moment when Haslam asked Paton about his military career. Paton confided that growing up poor, his family could only afford one t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 9:27 AM, BillsFan4 said: IMO This whole process makes the Haslam’s look even worse. They look like they have no clue what they’re doing. Just making decisions on a whim. This off-season told you that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 2:14 PM, YoloinOhio said: Chief of Staff? What does she do, hide the bodies in Berea? Congrats Callie I guess the parents wanted a boy so as to literally be the Browns son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 5 hours ago, stuvian said: their vending machines have a great selection too! ? I'm curious as to how common this is. While I'm sure Jerrah World is calling in plays Al Davis style, having a coach rehash an entire game with his owner win or lose is not exactly a great use of one's time. Rehashing the entire game is not the norm. Touching base with the owner is, though. Some discussions may be longer or shorter, depending. Travel/Road accommodations have been known to come up on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Rehashing the entire game is not the norm. Touching base with the owner is, though. Some discussions may be longer or shorter, depending. Travel/Road accommodations have been known to come up on occasion. I can imagine those are not the easiest of conversations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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