McDermott: Josh Allen 'tried to do too much' in loss

[White Linen]

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Then why was he running that route lol

 

Exactly.

 

I guess Josh in less than a second needs to say "whoa what's that goofy ass doing out here?  He looks open, wait he shouldn't be thrown to."

 

This is exactly what I mean by Josh has to overcome our inept offensive mindset.

[CodeMonkey]

McClappy may have thought Allen tried to do too much ... be McClappy did far too little.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Bingo!  Allen was trying to do to much because he was asked to do almost everything.  His production was amazing today.  This is what McD should have harped on.  Pointing out a crazy lateral that had NO IMPACT ON THE GAME was bizzare and frankly showed that McD was clueless about what happened in the game.  And this is both surprising & disturbing to me. 

 

 

 

I just watched TN beat the evil empire 14 - 13.  This is how a lot of playoffs games go.  Remember last years Super Bowl that NE won 13 - 3?  IMO the defense lost the game today.  We know our offense is a work in progress.  They had only one TO and that only resulted in 3 points. 

 

Our D allowed the Texans to execute three 70+ yard drives late in the 3rd quarter, the 4th quarter & in OT to beat the Bills.  Had the D stopped just one of the two 2 point conversion trys we win the game with that last second FG. 

 

 

Was the 3rd and 18 we gave up in overtime? I’m having trouble recalling when this exactly happened. I think the play clock had reached zero ( refs seemed to miss that) 

 

But regardless that play Against an elite D should never happen. Not sure how much attention this gets but to me that was a total failure of coaching and situational awareness. 
 

 

[BillsVet]

People want to point at individual players or coaches, well fine.  Who picks those people?

 

Sean McDermott, that's who. 

 

He's 25-25 as Bills HC after 3 full seasons of rebuilding, including 0-2 in the playoffs.  He's 3-17 against playoff teams since taking the job.  

 

His teams don't score and they've invested heavily in defense when so many teams have proven that offense is how you win.

 

McD needs to take a long look in the mirror and acknowledge that his way of coaching and player personnel decisions mean this team tops out like they did this year.  Next year, they likely won't have one of the league's easiest schedules either.

 

The HC always has a quip or aphorism ready when confronted with legit criticism.  The clock is ticking on him as HC, particularly when your team blows a 16 point lead in the middle of the 2nd half (EDIT: in a playoff game).  

 

Then again, maybe he can convince the Pegula's things aren't as bad.  I'm sure they'd keep him beyond his due date.  

 

Edited January 5, 2020 by BillsVet

[jhh9327]

We have a coach that wants a low risk/low reward style and a QB who at his core is almost the exact opposite of that.  

 

I am hopeful that this marriage will work long term, but coach needs to understand he also needs to adjust and get better and not think it is only on Josh to improve and grow. 

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Was the 3rd and 18 we gave up in overtime? I’m having trouble recalling when this exactly happened. I think the play clock had reached zero ( refs seemed to miss that) 

 

But regardless that play Against an elite D should never happen. Not sure how much attention this gets but to me that was a total failure of coaching and situational awareness. 
 

 

 

Yes it was.  Had we stopped them our offense gets a 2nd possession in OT probably starting at about the 40.  Also later on that same drive with an opportunity to put the Texans into another 3rd & 18 at midfield the D messed up a sack and Watson made the game winning play as a result.  Yet McD as the nerve to call out Allen for trying to do to much? 

 

The more I read that McD quote the more disturbing it looks.  It's not only poor timing but it shows a dangerous lack of insight into how his team just lost a game they should have won.  I would hope that Bean will have a talk with McD.

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

People want to point at individual players or coaches, well fine.  Who picks those people?

 

Sean McDermott, that's who. 

 

He's 25-25 as Bills HC after 3 full seasons of rebuilding, including 0-2 in the playoffs.  He's 3-17 against playoff teams since taking the job.  

 

His teams don't score and they've invested heavily in defense when so many teams have proven that offense is how you win.

 

McD needs to take a long look in the mirror and acknowledge that his way of coaching and player personnel decisions mean this team tops out like they did this year.  Next year, they likely won't have one of the league's easiest schedules either.

 

The HC always has a quip or aphorism ready when confronted with legit criticism.  The clock is ticking on him as HC, particularly when your team blows a 16 point lead in the middle of the 2nd half.  

 

Then again, maybe he can convince the Pegula's things aren't as bad.  I'm sure they'd keep him beyond his due date.  

 

Well, it really was year two of an offensive teardown/ rebuild. Most resources should go into the offense this offseason. That is the domain of Beane and McD. They must answer for it and no one else. 

[Turk71]

Way to own up to you're own shortcomings McD. Throwing Allen under the bus here is a disgrace, shame on you.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

People are having a heart attack over the lateral and it had no effect in the game

It's the mind set behind it. As Josh making a play like that makes you wonder why he's making a risky play like that when he didn't need to? 

[BillsVet]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Well, it really was year two of an offensive teardown/ rebuild. Most resources should go into the offense this offseason. That is the domain of Beane and McD. They must answer for it and no one else. 

 

They elected to tear down the roster to the point that in 2019 only 5 players remained from before their tenure.  They own it now, while other franchises (see SF) have been able to go from duds to studs in the same time McD has been here.

 

if you can't win a playoff game after 3 full seasons, your team rebuilding plan is stuck in the mud.  

 

 

[Buffarukus]

does anyone remember when white intercepted it to win the game and there was a  brief question whether he caused a safety cause he was never touched and ran out the endzone to celebrate? remember? same thing.

 

lets relax.

[DuckyBoys]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Well, it really was year two of an offensive teardown/ rebuild. Most resources should go into the offense this offseason. That is the domain of Beane and McD. They must answer for it and no one else. 

 

Next year playoff win is minimum  Even with better personnel on offense the coaching needs to change.  Maybe more so on defense  Too soft, sometimes you need to go full Wade Phillips attack mode  Up by 16 we go into prevent like were up by 60

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 hours ago, TheProcess said:

That’s rich coming from McD. While Josh did try to do way too much at times, at least he was trying. Coaching did him a great disservice today. 

But... Coaching went into the final two minutes of game with all 3 timeouts.

 

The Bills would have lost in regulation had coaching not managed the timeouts wisely.

 

Take the good with the bad.  They still had a chance.

Edited January 5, 2020 by ExiledInIllinois

[whatdrought]

I feel like this is the media trying to frame it in a way that makes it look like Mcd is blaming Allen. 

 

Also, with regards to the blown lateral, obviously a terrible play and judgement, but if Knox catches it and rumbles for 20 yards it’s remembered very differently. The difference between magic and mayhem is one blade of grass in the nfl. 

[Cal]

Lost a lot of respect for McDermott. Keep that in house.

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

They elected to tear down the roster to the point that in 2019 only 5 players remained from before their tenure.  They own it now, while other franchises (see SF) have been able to go from duds to studs in the same time McD has been here.

 

if you can't win a playoff game after 3 full seasons, your team rebuilding plan is stuck in the mud.  

 

 

One more offseason to complete the rebuild. SF has done a great job, but they’ve had their QB for 3 seasons, and I doubt they turned over the roster on offense as much as the Bills. That was by choice to be certain, but that doesn’t put better players on offense any faster. I don’t believe SF has won a playoff game yet. Not saying they won’t , but that rebuild is a year ahead imo. Your mileage may vary. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

13 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Yes it was.  Had we stopped them our offense gets a 2nd possession in OT probably starting at about the 40.  Also later on that same drive with an opportunity to put the Texans into another 3rd & 18 at midfield the D messed up a sack and Watson made the game winning play as a result.  Yet McD as the nerve to call out Allen for trying to do to much? 

 

The more I read that McD quote the more disturbing it looks.  It's not only poor timing but it shows a dangerous lack of insight into how his team just lost a game they should have won.  I would hope that Bean will have a talk with McD.

 

 

Your right. We stop that 3rd down and we probably have great field position. It just blows my mind. 
 

The missed sack was devastating. That was the ball game. 

[Turk71]

Ask McD why Allen threw 46 times in a game they led for 3 1/2 qtrs. Ask him why Singletary got only 13 carries all game when he was dominating the first half. Why did his d play soft on third and 18 with the game on the the line ? McD throwing Allen under the bus after the game is disgraceful in my opinion.

Edited January 5, 2020 by Turk71

[BillsVet]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

One more offseason to complete the rebuild. SF has done a great job, but they’ve had their QB for 3 seasons, and I doubt they turned over the roster on offense as much as the Bills. That was by choice to be certain, but that doesn’t put better players on offense any faster. I don’t believe SF has won a playoff game yet. Not saying they won’t , but that rebuild is a year ahead imo. Your mileage may vary. 

 

You win the award out of many candidates tonight for best quibbling of the day.  Congratulations.  

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Cal said:

Lost a lot of respect for McDermott. Keep that in house.

 

He was asked directly about Allen.  He answered. 

[BullBuchanan]

I'd hate to see him "not doing enough"

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Turk71 said:

Ask McD why Allen threw 46 times in a game they led for 3 1/2 qtrs. Ask him why Singletary got only 13 carries all game when he was dominating the first half. Why did his d play soft on third and 18 with the game on the the line ? McD throwing Allen under the bus after the game is disgraceful in my opinion. 

 

All good questions and should be asked, but I honestly don't think McD intended to throw Allen under the bus

[DuckyBoys]

1 minute ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Your right. We stop that 3rd down and we probably have great field position. It just blows my mind. 
 

The missed sack was devastating. That was the ball game. 

Honestly for a guy that preaches fundamentals our tackling this season was trash

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Just now, DuckyBoys said:

Honestly for a guy that preaches fundamentals our tackling this season was trash

How many weeks do we have to hear the line  of getting back to fundamentals. 

Agree it’s been a problem all year. 

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He was asked directly about Allen.  He answered. 

Unnecessary comment in my opinion. Just like @Cal said keep that in house. 

[Cal]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He was asked directly about Allen.  He answered. 

He brought up the lateral play, which was unnecessary and didn't point out any of the positives. Allen had almost 350 total yards, took some tough hits and bounces back up. 

[london_bills]

18 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I feel like this is the media trying to frame it in a way that makes it look like Mcd is blaming Allen. 

 

Also, with regards to the blown lateral, obviously a terrible play and judgement, but if Knox catches it and rumbles for 20 yards it’s remembered very differently. The difference between magic and mayhem is one blade of grass in the nfl. 

Agreed. Watching the presser it wasn't as bad as its made out to be in terms of what Mcd said. 

 

The last comment about magic and mayhem couldn't apply to anyone more than Allen! . I would call it magic, mayhem and a bit of desperation. 

Edited January 5, 2020 by london_bills

[Motor26]

Just now, london_bills said:

Agreed. Watching the presser it wasn't as bad as its made out to be. 

Yupp. If Knox catches that he’s got 20+ yards of open space in front of him. Would have been insane. 

[london_bills]

Just now, Motor26 said:

Yupp. If Knox catches that he’s got 20+ yards of open space in front of him. Would have been insane. 

The Lateral? I thought that was bad decision, will rewatch that. 

 

I mean what mcd said wasn't that bad for me. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

I'd hate to see him "not doing enough"

 

He generated 372 yds of offense - 264 passing, 92 rushing, and 16 receiving.

 

Tennessee just beat the Patriots in a game where their QB had 72 yds passing, 11 yds rushing, threw an INT, and fumbled 2x.

They also generated just 14 points on offense.

 

 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

All good questions and should be asked, but I honestly don't think McD intended to throw Allen under the bus

 

I hope you're right but his choice of words in response to that question was piss poor.  Frankly it's shaken my faith in McD.  You get to know the quality of a man when he faces tough times.  How he responds is critical.  The whole point of the "process" as I understood it was that after a loss like this, the team & coaches would circle the wagons.  And if ever there was a team loss this was it.

 

Maybe I'm reading to much into what McD said.  But it just doesn't seem right.  You let the dust settle and watch the film before making any kind of comment like this.  I think upon reflection most Bill's fans are going to see that there was a lot of positives out there today.  This has the feel of 1989 and that's a good thing.

 

And since the early years of Jim Kelly's career, when was the last time we felt as good about our QB going from year 2 to 3?  I would answer this is the FIRST time since the early Kelly years.  Think about all the QB's we've had since Kelly retired.  There isn't one who I felt good about going from their 2nd to their 3rd season here.  NOT ONE until Allen.  That's a huge step forward and McD needs to be careful about fouling this moment. 

 

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Cal said:

He brought up the lateral play, which was unnecessary and didn't point out any of the positives. Allen had almost 350 total yards, took some tough hits and bounces back up. 

 

Allen had 372 total yards.  356 if you take out the pass reception for a TD.

 

I'm sure he's going on impressions and emotions right now and he'll settle in after he watches the film, but that lateral was a standout as a horrible play, so I'm sure it was on his mind.

[BillsFan692]

2 hours ago, PolishPrince said:

Lineman should be criticized more for allowing a 3 man pressure to beat the 5 of them so instantly....

You saw that too?? What even happened there.... ugh. This loss is brutal

[CincyBillsFan]

28 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Also, with regards to the blown lateral, obviously a terrible play and judgement, but if Knox catches it and rumbles for 20 yards it’s remembered very differently. The difference between magic and mayhem is one blade of grass in the nfl. 

 

This is what I was thinking when I watched a replay of the lateral.  It was really close to being a huge play. 

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

 

[DuckyBoys]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Allen had 372 total yards.  356 if you take out the pass reception for a TD.

 

I'm sure he's going on impressions and emotions right now and he'll settle in after he watches the film, but that lateral was a standout as a horrible play, so I'm sure it was on his mind.

anything other than a handoff into the a gap is radical football for McDermott  Kid was trying to make a play  He didnt throw him under the bus when he went full Supeman on some of those wild 4th down sneaks  How about your defense comes out in the 2nd half next time

[BillsFan692]

The lateral resulted in the ball going out of bounds and stopping the clock which the bills needed as we were out of time outs and had no way to stop clock. 

 

Personally I think that was allens true intent to get it to knox to go out of bounds. 

 

Foolish maybe, but he got it out of bounds and so it was beneficial...

 

Why all the super analysis?

[wppete]

 

[White Linen]

How could a QB be defined as trying to do too much when his coaches put Pat Dimarco in as the X receiver for multiple plays in overtime.

 

Then when they take him out and put Singletary in as the X - Josh hits him for 14 and a 1st down.

 

Stand up there and blame yourself coach.  Shameful!!

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

 

This needs to sting for all of them, especially the coaching staff