Big Turk Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dorsey’s job should be in question, especially if the new HC wants his own guy. I personally don’t think Dorsey has been a good GM. He’s better fit for a personnel guy, not face of the FO. Was Kitchens Dorsey's hire or did the Haslam's meddle as usual? Not sure who is worse at this point, Snyder or Haslam. 3 minutes ago, wppete said: Absolutely incredible numbers there. And what about the staring QBs during thy time. Haslam is a failure of epic proportions. He is trying to OutSnyder Snyder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplebulldog Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 SOO nice to have FO stability finally. These two guys were a coup! On my way to Houston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, Virgil said: This is what happens when you try to build through FA Did the Browns do that? Mayfield, Chubb, Njoku, Garrett, Bitonio, Schobert, Ward, Williams.... I think a lot of the talent on that roster has been drafted. Yes, the two diva wideouts came through Free Agency / Trade and attract a lot of attention and I think that is the real problem in Cleveland. Too much noise and not enough process. Dorsey has drafted a lot better than Sashi Brown before him I just think he might be a bit of a Doug Whaley - decent evaluator and collector of talent.... but lacking the vision to be an effective team builder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: Did the Browns do that? Mayfield, Chubb, Njoku, Garrett, Bitonio, Schobert, Ward, Williams.... I think a lot of the talent on that roster has been drafted. Yes, the two diva wideouts came through Free Agency / Trade and attract a lot of attention and I think that is the real problem in Cleveland. Too much noise and not enough process. Dorsey has drafted a lot better than Sashi Brown before him I just think he might be a bit of a Doug Whaley - decent evaluator and collector of talent.... but lacking the vision to be an effective team builder. They did both, but the high profile guys were FA’s. That’s a tough way to build. They thought they could throw a bunch of pieces together at once and expect cohesiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Virgil said: They did both, but the high profile guys were FA’s. That’s a tough way to build. They thought they could throw a bunch of pieces together at once and expect cohesiveness. I think the glitz of the two receivers makes people think they were big FA players but they really weren't. It is the culture and leadership that is lacking in Cleveland not a commitment to the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: don’t know much about the situation there. The GM is an ego maniac and picked Kitchens because he was his yes man. They picked Kitchens because thats who Baker wanted. A perfect example of why you never let the players choose the head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: I think the glitz of the two receivers makes people think they were big FA players but they really weren't. It is the culture and leadership that is lacking in Cleveland not a commitment to the draft. That, but also a lot of guys at once that had high expectations. It wasn’t a bunch of role players, it’s guys who are expected to be the best at their position. 1st round picks and high dollar FA’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, bills6969 said: They picked Kitchens because thats who Baker wanted. A perfect example of why you never let the players choose the head coach. it is also who Dorsey wanted. And also wanted Ken Zamprese gone. Both happened and a Kitchens with no Zamprese prop up failed spectacularly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Virgil said: That, but also a lot of guys at once that had high expectations. It wasn’t a bunch of role players, it’s guys who are expected to be the best at their position. 1st round picks and high dollar FA’s. Yep. And when you have those egos and no leadership it is a recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Brown Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 This franchise is so dysfunctional they'll hire Kevin Costner because they saw Draft Day. 2 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dorsey’s job should be in question, especially if the new HC wants his own guy. I personally don’t think Dorsey has been a good GM. He’s better fit for a personnel guy, not face of the FO. i'm old enough to remember when it was the GM who chose the coach and not the other way around. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Browns ownership is a mess they've gone through how many GMs and HCs this decade? Edited December 31, 2019 by Warcodered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 42 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not surprised to see Dorsey in jeopardy. He has done an okay job but you need to get the coach. You want him paired with his guy so that they are on the same page. I’d say Caserio and Daboll/McDaniels. They are from Cleveland (except Daboll but he was there) and they are on the same page. Roman/Caserio maybe? They played at JCU together I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Should have worn a different sweatshirt on ‘Hard Knocks 2018’, instead of the same version day after day. Mr Blackwell and GQ Mayfield had it in for him. EDIT: Dog Pound fans? ‘Should of’. Edited December 31, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: i'm old enough to remember when it was the GM who chose the coach and not the other way around. McDermott probably had a significant role in bringing Beane in here so it depends on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: i'm old enough to remember when it was the GM who chose the coach and not the other way around. They let him hire the last coach so I’m guessing they wouldnt let him hire this one and one thing led to another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 They're probably going to offer some coach full control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, Doc Brown said: McDermott probably had a significant role in bringing Beane in here so it depends on the situation. They were a package deal and the timing of the hires was just different. They interviewed together as a package deal with SF. Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: They're probably going to offer some coach full control. Sounds like depodesta is getting full control (he doesn’t even live in Cleveland) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, njbuff said: The Packers are largely built thru FA? Primarily referring to Preston and Za’Darius Smith who took them from out of the playoffs to a bye. They also start Turner and Amos who were signed this offseason. That’s just off the top of my head. 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Roman/Caserio maybe? They played at JCU together I believe That’s McDaniels. I think Roman was at U of R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: They were a package deal and the timing of the hires was just different. They interviewed together as a package deal with SF. Sounds like depodesta is getting full control (he doesn’t even live in Cleveland) Really? Reminds me of Tom Modrak. Modrak was GM operating out of Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: This franchise is so dysfunctional they'll hire Kevin Costner because they saw Draft Day. I know, all this "rational" talk about the browns HC and GM. I don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dorsey’s job should be in question, especially if the new HC wants his own guy. I personally don’t think Dorsey has been a good GM. He’s better fit for a personnel guy, not face of the FO. ...Rebate Jimmy needs a second Brinks truck for the millions he's paying out to FORMER HC's and soon to be GM......and we thought Boy Danny Snyder had a screw loose with stripped threads......."welcome aboard Daboll"???.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Primarily referring to Preston and Za’Darius Smith who took them from out of the playoffs to a bye. They also start Turner and Amos who were signed this offseason. That’s just off the top of my head. That’s McDaniels. I think Roman was at U of R. Roman and mcdaniels both went to John Carroll. Daboll went to U of R. Edited December 31, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Brown Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 We won't be able to fleece him for any more trades like the 1st pick in the 3rd round for Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Rebate Jimmy needs a second Brinks truck for the millions he's paying out to FORMER HC's and soon to be GM..... “Hey! Why is Regular $8.00 a gallon at Flying J?!?” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 So seems it will be one of these three as the next HC. McDaniels Stefanksi McCarthey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Roman and mcdaniels both went to John Carroll. Daboll went to U of R. My bad, I thought you said Daboll. Yes, the other 3 all went to JCU (with London Fletcher). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They let him hire the last coach so I’m guessing they wouldnt let him hire this one and one thing led to another i don't know that Kitchens was Dorsey's hire, may very well have been. just seems that Baker hired Kitchens more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: i don't know that Kitchens was Dorsey's hire, may very well have been. just seems that Baker hired Kitchens more than anything. He was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They're probably going to offer some coach full control. They need an outside consulting firm come in and evaluate everything much like the Bills did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, billsfan_34 said: They need an outside consulting firm come in and evaluate everything much like the Bills did. Guarantee Haslem fires them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, billsfan_34 said: They need an outside consulting firm come in and evaluate everything much like the Bills did. R. Brandon Consulting busy? He can have an office and a phone extension! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Everyone knows who DePodesta likes as HC and GM. Let’s see if Haslams follow through the entire way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: R. Brandon Consulting busy? He can have an office and a phone extension! Haslam wondering why he asked for 41 secretaries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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