Yannick Ngakoue - Peace Out Jax

[Reed83HOF]

 

[H2o]

Ngakoue just changed his profile pic

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, H2o said:

Ngakoue just changed his profile pic

 

And I hope Beane is driving that truck!!

 

Git'r'dun

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Get 'er done.

 

[Reed83HOF]

 

[wppete]

Cmon Beane! Get this done! Draft WR 1st round and LB 2nd Round!

[Warren Zevon]

He's got overpaid Raider written all over him

[elijah]

For a GM that preaches staying in house, Ngakuoe might just cost too much to make this happen. 

 

Dawkins, Poyer, Milano, Tre White, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds are just a few names coming up in the next 2 years.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, elijah said:

For a GM that preaches staying in house, Ngakuoe might just cost too much to make this happen. 

 

Dawkins, Poyer, Milano, Tre White, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds are just a few names coming up in the next 2 years.

 

We have plenty of money to sign all of them to lucrative contracts AND still sign outside FAs like Ngakoue.

 

Was Beane preaching staying in house when he signed 6 outside OL and 2 outside WRs to start last offseason?

[billsherd]

Get it done if this guy is any good. We have the cap.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I could see the Bills easily letting Poyer walk. 

 

Tre White is locked in for at least two more years.

 

Josh Allen? Really? Can we wait until he proves himself a little more before worrying about a contract extension? 

 

We will let both Safeties (Poyer and Hyde) walk when their contracts are up. ?

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2019 by DrDawkinstein

[billsfan_34]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I could see the Bills easily letting Poyer walk. 

 

Tre White is locked in for at least two more years.

 

Josh Allen? Really? Can we wait until he proves himself a little more before worrying about a contract extension? 

 

 

We don’t have to do anything with Allen until the end of next season going into year 4 if we want to pick up his 5th year option. Plenty of time to add to the sample size.

[H2o]

12 minutes ago, elijah said:

For a GM that preaches staying in house, Ngakuoe might just cost too much to make this happen. 

 

Dawkins, Poyer, Milano, Tre White, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds are just a few names coming up in the next 2 years.

Josh and Tremaine still have what would be 3 years left, assuming we exercise the 5th year options. The other guys though? Yes. Feliciano also only has one more year on his contract. Spain was signed to a one year deal as well and is an impending FA. Shaq Lawson is another impending FA. Dang, so is Phillips. We need to get our main guys taken care of first and hopefully they do that before FA even gets underway. We have a lot of FA's to sign. 

Edited December 30, 2019 by H2o

[WMDman]

He would be my #1 FA target

[Rc2catch]

I don’t have a knock against the guy but I really hope we’re not the team to pay him. 
I don’t get the fascination. His sacks this year are against bad teams. Stat wise he’s almost invisible against good teams. He doesn’t have a lot of TFL or even QB hits. Shaq Lawson looks better all across the board if we’re going by stats and has trended up every year. We’re going to pay this guy elite pass rusher money? He’s not an elite pass rusher. 
This goes against what a large majority of fans have cried about for years. Letting our own guys walk to sign someone at a higher price tag with less production. 

[PirateHookerMD]

Id rather overpay him than Shaq.

[billsfan89]

11 minutes ago, elijah said:

For a GM that preaches staying in house, Ngakuoe might just cost too much to make this happen. 

 

Dawkins, Poyer, Milano, Tre White, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds are just a few names coming up in the next 2 years.

 

This team has plenty of cap space to resign Shaq, Phillips, and Spain (or at least 2 out of the 3) and add a big piece like Ngakuoe at around 15-18 million aav, without compromising the ability for the team to give out extensions. This team if they cut Kroft and Murphy (two players of little value) will have about 100 million in cap space. Even if it takes 30 million to resign Shaq, Phillips and Spain they still have 69 million left in cap space. They can make that big splash and still have over 50 million in space. They can even spend 10 million more on other depth/role needs and still have 40 plus million to roll over and kick in once extensions are needed in 2021 to the 2017 draft class. 

 

Then once you need to resign the 2018 draft class players after 2021 you will have plenty of space as guys like Hughes and Star come off the books. The window to win in the NFL is small and I think if you can add 2-3 starting pieces to this team via free agency you do it esp considering you have the cap space to be prudently aggressive. 

2 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said:

Id rather overpay him than Shaq.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to signing Shaq in the 9-11 million aav range. He is a quality player and I would like to see him stay here and continue to develop but I wouldn't keep him at all costs either. There are a lot of edge rushers out on the market and I don't trust Shaq as a starter opposite Hughes, I think he is best as a 3rd DE who plays on rush downs and in rotation on passing situations. 

Edited December 30, 2019 by billsfan89

[DrDawkinstein]

12 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I wouldn't be opposed to signing Shaq in the 9-11 million aav range. He is a quality player and I would like to see him stay here and continue to develop but I wouldn't keep him at all costs either. There are a lot of edge rushers out on the market and I don't trust Shaq as a starter opposite Hughes, I think he is best as a 3rd DE who plays on rush downs and in rotation on passing situations. 

 

I'd sign both Shaq and Yannick.

 

Hughes is here next year since he costs more to cut than to keep, but is gone after that. Signing both Shaq and Yannick gives us some security at the position long-term, where Yannick can move into Hughes' spot, and we arent in a desperate situation to find/sign/draft a DE in 2021. Would still need to pad out the rotation, but at least we arent left with a major hole along the Line.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2019 by DrDawkinstein

[Dkollidas]

13 minutes ago, elijah said:

For a GM that preaches staying in house, Ngakuoe might just cost too much to make this happen. 

 

Dawkins, Poyer, Milano, Tre White, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds are just a few names coming up in the next 2 years.

I think they could afford it, but I don’t think they’ll want to match the term, and the guaranteed money that will be given to this guy. 
 

I see them more likely going after a cheaper option like Vic Beasley, Vinny Curry, etc. 

 

Also, the amount that they rotate their defensive linemen makes me wonder how much they will invest in the edge position. 
 

My view of how they handle the position?

1. Hughes stays

2. Shaq Re-Signed $6M-$7M per year for 2-3 yrs

3. Sign a UFA like Vic Beasley, Vinny Curry, Benson Mayowa, etc. 

4. Draft a guy in rounds 1-3

5. Cut Murphy if he can’t win a spot over Hughes/Shaq/UFA/Rookie

6. Darryl Johnson to practice squad. 

[elijah]

17 minutes ago, H2o said:

Josh and Tremaine still have what would be 3 years left, assuming we exercise the 5th year options. The other guys though? Yes. Feliciano also only has one more year on his contract. Spain was signed to a one year deal as well and is an impending FA. Shaq Lawson is another impending FA. Dang, so is Phillips. We need to get our main guys taken care of first and hopefully they do that before FA even gets underway. We have a lot of FA's to sign. 

Even so, that 5th year option is going to be expensive.  And say that it is still 3 more years, Ngakuoe would likely be a 6 year contract worth upwards of $100M and hitting the most expensive final 3 years of his contract by that time. 

 

I think Beane is too smart to make a deal like that.  He didn’t take us out of cap hell to spend his money short sighted and put us right back in it. 

[MJS]

Double digit sacks once in four years. Sack production dropped the past two years. Seems like an above average pass rusher who will get paid elite money.

[elijah]

18 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

his team has plenty of cap space to resign Shaq, Phillips, and Spain (or at least 2 out of the 3) and add a big piece like Ngakuoe at around 15-18 million aav, without compromising the ability for the team to give out extensions. This team if they cut Kroft and Murphy (two players of little value) will have about 100 million in cap space. Even if it takes 30 million to resign Shaq, Phillips and Spain they still have 69 million left in cap space. They can make that big splash and still have over 50 million in space. They can even spend 10 million more on other depth/role needs and still have 40 plus million to roll over and kick in once extensions are needed in 2021 to the 2017 draft class. 

Obviously you can make it work in the short term when there’s $90M in cap space this year, the issue is how it’s going to work in the following years when there’s bigger contracts to be handed out. 

[Rc2catch]

Early on for free agency the pool doesn’t look amazing. But you could see a lot of guys to be had later. I’d watch for someone like everson griffin in Minnesota. Older but productive. Be a costly 2-3 year deal while Johnson or another rookie work behind. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, elijah said:

Even so, that 5th year option is going to be expensive.  And say that it is still 3 more years, Ngakuoe would likely be a 6 year contract worth upwards of $100M and hitting the most expensive final 3 years of his contract by that time. 

 

I think Beane is too smart to make a deal like that.  He didn’t take us out of cap hell to spend his money short sighted and put us right back in it. 

 

We have the cap space to sign all of them and not be in any "hell". The reason Beane cleaned house was to give himself the cap space to sign his guys, not to horde it all away.

 

[CaptnCoke11]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Double digit sacks once in four years. Sack production dropped the past two years. Seems like an above average pass rusher who will get paid elite money.

Probably.. I don’t see Beane throwing the money at this guy personally 

[RiotAct]

27 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We will let both Safeties (Poyer and Hyde) walk when their contracts are up. ?

 

 

 

hoping we at LEAST keep Hyde.  Preferably both, but we’ll see.

 

It’s a joy watching them work their magic back there.  (minus the occasional instance of Poyer getting trucked... lol)

Edited December 30, 2019 by RiotAct

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, RiotAct said:

hoping we at LEAST keep Hyde.  Preferably both, but we’ll see.

 

It’s a joy watching them work their magic back there.  (minus the occasional instance of Poyer getting trucked... lol)

 

Yeah, it's not something I want to see, just the way I think it plays out.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, it's not something I want to see, just the way I think it plays out.

 

If Poyer walks, it will be because he doesn't want to be in Buffalo. 

 

I have a hard time imagining the Bills will go from playing both those guys 100% of snaps to not willing to offer them significant contract extensions. 

[BisonMan]

From an age/production perspective, he’s the best FA pass rusher available. JAX could still tag him but it looks like they have CAP issues. They might try a TAG-and-trade though, IMHO.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

If Poyer walks, it will be because he doesn't want to be in Buffalo. 

 

I have a hard time imagining the Bills will go from playing both those guys 100% of snaps to not willing to offer them significant contract extensions. 

 

We'll see. Keep in mind, they were both Whaley signings.

 

If they're willing to stay at their current salary range (~$5M/yr) then that makes it easier. But being the leaders of a well-respected Defense that makes the playoffs so often, that will be tough. If they come looking for $10M+ then theyre gone.

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, it's not something I want to see, just the way I think it plays out.

They have both really played and played well on bargain contracts for the team. I would like to see them back but I can also see each guy wanting that huge deal after playing on outdated contracts. I think it would be much easier to replace or even upgrade Poyer than Hyde. 

[HappyDays]

My dream FA is Ngakoue and AJ Green. Our two biggest weaknesses on offense and defense filled in a single offseason. Then we can draft BPA.

Edited December 30, 2019 by HappyDays

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We'll see. Keep in mind, they were both Whaley signings.

 

If they're willing to stay at their current salary range (~$5M/yr) then that makes it easier. But being the leaders of a well-respected Defense that makes the playoffs so often, that will be tough. If they come looking for $10M+ then theyre gone.

That "Whaley signing" could only make sense if they didn't play 100% (not an exaggeration) of snaps. Also, they were signed when McDermott took over; they are not Whaley signings in the way so many others were.  

 

They are the reason this defense is so good. They are so good they don't even have guys rotate in. I appreciate value, but they are the heart and soul of the defense.  They are for sure worth $10+.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

That "Whaley signing" could only make sense if they didn't play 100% (not an exaggeration) of snaps. Also, they were signed when McDermott took over; they are not Whaley signings in the way so many others were.  

 

They are the reason this defense is so good. They are so good they don't even have guys rotate in. I appreciate value, but they are the heart and soul of the defense.  They are for sure worth $10+.  

 

I remind myself that you are a lawyer, because Im not sure who you are arguing "against" here or just for the sake of arguing to absolutes

 

I dont disagree with anything you're saying. You're preaching to the choir. I get that they've played 100% of the snaps. And they may be worth $10M each, but...

 

If they come asking for $10M, I dont see Beane investing that much in Safeties. He already drafted a Safety last year, and will probably do so again next year. Hyde has been suspect at times this season, and we'll see where he is at in 2 years as he gets older and slower.

 

Neither of us know how it will play out. Just dont be surprised if neither of them are retained.

[Lurker]

41 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

We have plenty of money to sign all of them to lucrative contracts AND still sign outside FAs like Ngakoue

 

Yep, 2020 will be the year they add a difference maker like Ngakoue to the core built over the past three years.   

 

Like how Corny Bennett took the Bills to a whole new level when he arrived in Buffalo back in 1987...

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I remind myself that you are a lawyer, because Im not sure who you are arguing "against" here or just for the sake of arguing to absolutes

 

I dont disagree with anything you're saying. You're preaching to the choir. I get that they've played 100% of the snaps. And they may be worth $10M each, but...

 

If they come asking for $10M, I dont see Beane investing that much in Safeties. He already drafted a Safety last year, and will probably do so again next year. Hyde has been suspect at times this season, and we'll see where he is at in 2 years as he gets older and slower.

 

Neither of us know how it will play out. Just dont be surprised if neither of them are retained.

 

Lol. Man did I deserve that. My wife literally said the same thing to me not two weeks ago.  

 

I guess now that I am thinking about it, we don't really know what Beane will do when it comes time to give out extensions. Has he really done so yet? Is he the guy that doesn't pay Josh Norman, or is he someone else?  All right Dr. D., I'm on board. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Lol. Man did I deserve that. My wife literally said the same thing to me not two weeks ago.  

 

I guess now that I am thinking about it, we don't really know what Beane will do when it comes time to give out extensions. Has he really done so yet? Is he the guy that doesn't pay Josh Norman, or is he someone else?  All right Dr. D., I'm on board. 

 

Hahaha, right on!

 

Happy New Year to you and the Mrs 

[Mark Vader]

43 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

This team has plenty of cap space to resign Shaq, Phillips, and Spain (or at least 2 out of the 3) and add a big piece like Ngakuoe at around 15-18 million aav, without compromising the ability for the team to give out extensions. This team if they cut Kroft and Murphy (two players of little value) will have about 100 million in cap space. Even if it takes 30 million to resign Shaq, Phillips and Spain they still have 69 million left in cap space. They can make that big splash and still have over 50 million in space. They can even spend 10 million more on other depth/role needs and still have 40 plus million to roll over and kick in once extensions are needed in 2021 to the 2017 draft class. 

 

Then once you need to resign the 2018 draft class players after 2021 you will have plenty of space as guys like Hughes and Star come off the books. The window to win in the NFL is small and I think if you can add 2-3 starting pieces to this team via free agency you do it esp considering you have the cap space to be prudently aggressive.

Stop trying to turn me on!

[billsfan89]

21 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think they resign one or two of Shaq, Spain, and Phillips. Not all 3. If I had to guess they’ll cut Murphy retain both Shaq and Phillips and let Spain walk while moving Ford to LG.

 

 

I think they keep Phillips for sure and I think they make a significant attempt to resign Shaq and Spain. They are likely not going to overpay for either but they will pay their market value. I think that Cody has in my mind solidified himself as a starting caliber RT so I don't get why you would want to slide him in based off his recent play. My point was that even if you resign all 3 and it take 30 million in space to do so, you are still fine cap wise to both add a big piece, add some depth/role players, and have enough space to roll over and take care of future players. 

[DCbillsfan]

 

2 hours ago, elijah said:

 

 

I think Beane is too smart to make a deal like that.  He didn’t take us out of cap hell to spend his money short sighted and put us right back in it. 

This is it.  Beane is going to be judicious in free agency just like last year.  He will probably try to sign more under the radar free agents and use his top draft picks on WR, DE, and OT imo.  

 

As far as re-signing guys (Spain, Lawson, and Jordan Phillips, etc), Beane may place a higher priority on re-signing Kevin Johnson.  He's looked good out there and Wallace has been shaky at times.  I believe Beane will have an interest in keeping Spain, Lawson, and Jordan Phillips however all these guys will likely get huge offers from other teams.  Unfortunately, I think these guys are gone.