Did we really try a RB option pass?

[Xwnyer]

Right after the big INT return and the first down after we went with a heavy package with first and goal on 8.  First down we try to run Gore wide lose two yards, second down almost the identical play and result but if you look at the replay it almost looked like Gore was thinking about pulling up to throw a pass.  Has Gore ever thrown a pass in his NFL career?  Dabol play calling puzzles Me since to throw out of a run like that the RB needs to go,deeper and not attack the LOS resulting in a loss of yards if he doesn’t throw the ball.  Would have been better to toss it out of bounds if play was blown up than losing critical yards.  We lost 10 yards on that series and had to settle for a FG.

[Fixxxer]

the spanish commentator thought Gore was definitely passing to Knox on that one. (He was well covered, btw)

 

[Sundancer]

the linemen definitely didn't release. Gore appeared to be holding it ready to throw though that wasn't clear. the strange thing was that the only replay i saw had just Beaseley to his side running his route. If that's the play, why run the shortest and hardest guy to be the wr?

 

Oh and eff that play call. Josh Allen gets no passes and also can't run the ball from first and goal. WTF?

 

 

1 minute ago, Fixxxer said:

the spanish commentator thought Gore was definitely passing to Knox on that one. (He was well covered, btw)

 

 

Interesting. I thought it was Beas. There was only one replay and it was a bad shot focusing on Gore's hands. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Sundancer

[Fixxxer]

2 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Interesting. I thought it was Beas. There was only one replay and it was a bad shot focusing on Gore's hands. 

 

There was a replay from behind the LOS that was pretty clear, maybe being a latinamerican broadcast the replay system has different angles.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Collinsworth thought it was a pass too. I am on vacation and the TV doesn’t have rewind here. 
If it was a pass, that was getting to cute to close to the end zone. They did redeem themselves on the next play.

 

edit, my bad. Got that mixed up with the Kroft TD Drive.

Edited December 16, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975

[Sundancer]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Collinsworth thought it was a pass too. I am on vacation and the TV doesn’t have rewind here. 
If it was a pass, that was getting to cute to close to the end zone. They did redeem themselves on the next play.

I

Next play was a delayed handoff to Motor for a loss of 1. Next play was fg. That 3 play sequence sucked. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Sundancer

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 minute ago, Sundancer said:

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Next play was a draw to Motor for a loss of 1. Next play was fg. That 3 play sequence sucked. 

You are right, my bad. Got it mixed up with the Kroft TD Drive.

[Sundancer]

3 minutes ago, Fixxxer said:

 

There was a replay from behind the LOS that was pretty clear, maybe being a latinamerican broadcast the replay system has different angles.

 

same replay on NBC but the focus was on his hands and it didn't clearly show the pattern of WRs or I only looked too late. 

[Rochesterfan]

It was definitely a pass and the Steelers played it well with the coverage in the end zone.

 

I have no issue with the calls because they used the first run to set up the halfback pass attempt.  It was a cute play and I prefer that they just man up and make some plays, but sometimes you get an easy score because of tendencies and I think they were taking a shot to mess with their tendencies and it did not work.

 

 

[Xwnyer]

8 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

It was definitely a pass and the Steelers played it well with the coverage in the end zone.

 

I have no issue with the calls because they used the first run to set up the halfback pass attempt.  It was a cute play and I prefer that they just man up and make some plays, but sometimes you get an easy score because of tendencies and I think they were taking a shot to mess with their tendencies and it did not work.

 

 

That entire series really sucked from my view. Gotta go for Juglar after your D makes that play

[JMF2006]

Sure looked like it and like a smart veteran who cares more about winning than stats he quickly pulled it down and covered it bracing for the hit.

 

Way to be Frank that was a good 2 yd loss.

[Rochesterfan]

18 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

That entire series really sucked from my view. Gotta go for Juglar after your D makes that play

 

That is what they were doing - they showed a run to set-up what could have been a TD.  The Steelers played great defense and did not bite on our tendencies.  
 

Why was that not going for the jugular?  They played to a known tendency and tried a play off from that - that against a lesser coached defense is a TD.  
 

Why is it brilliant when teams like Houston and NE try these plays, but for Buffalo - they are not going for the Jugular?

 

I get wanting to drive it down their throat, but based upon what the Bills were running - go ahead and try it.  Gore being the veteran- saw the coverage and ate it.  At that point the FG was the key - so they ran a draw and made sure to tie the game.

 

It is not like they just downed the ball in victory formation.  It was a series that did not work, but at least they did not go all “duck” and have Allen try to force it for an Int.  They had a plan and it didn’t work, but also did not cost them.  

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Cute and stupid when we should have been normal and aggressive.  

 

And the 3rd down RUN.   I don't know that I can ever recall a team playing for a FG, when they already had a FG locked up.  Might as well have kicked it on 3rd down and avoided the risk of injury.  Stoopid series. 

[4merper4mer]

47 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

same replay on NBC but the focus was on his hands and it didn't clearly show the pattern of WRs or I only looked too late. 

At the front end of the shot you could see a TE in in EZ.  Triple covered.

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Pitt had to have known something was up there too.  Gore is a 2-3 yard bowling ball at this point.  No way you 'pound the rock' with him from the 10-12 yard range.  All around brain fart on Daboli. 

[Artem Lipatov]

It looked to me like pass preparation too. 

Anyway almost every Gore's touch of ball is wasted down this season. With all due respect to his NFL legacy in the past.

 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

Oh and eff that play call. Josh Allen gets no passes and also can't run the ball from first and goal. WTF?

This is how we beat OURSELVES.

[Haslett_Stomp]

Glad to hear we won.  I turned the game off after that play.

[BringBackOrton]

4 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

Right after the big INT return and the first down after we went with a heavy package with first and goal on 8.  First down we try to run Gore wide lose two yards, second down almost the identical play and result but if you look at the replay it almost looked like Gore was thinking about pulling up to throw a pass.  Has Gore ever thrown a pass in his NFL career?  Dabol play calling puzzles Me since to throw out of a run like that the RB needs to go,deeper and not attack the LOS resulting in a loss of yards if he doesn’t throw the ball.  Would have been better to toss it out of bounds if play was blown up than losing critical yards.  We lost 10 yards on that series and had to settle for a FG.

 

3 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Cute and stupid when we should have been normal and aggressive.  

 

And the 3rd down RUN.   I don't know that I can ever recall a team playing for a FG, when they already had a FG locked up.  Might as well have kicked it on 3rd down and avoided the risk of injury.  Stoopid series. 

Did you guys see the Cowboys game? 

[MJS]

As a play caller, I'm not sure how you can take Josh Allen out of that entire series. He's the best weapon we have. He performs well in the red zone. Just a crappy series by Daboll.

[WideNine]

4 hours ago, Sundancer said:

I

Next play was a delayed handoff to Motor for a loss of 1. Next play was fg. That 3 play sequence sucked. 

 

Better off running some spread or 3x1 read-option with Allen and Singletary.

 

Singletary was in time out because he kept putting the ball on the turf. Gore would be an interesting read-option back for Allen in the red zone, but Daboll should have he and Allen practice that first.

 

On one Allen ran into and checked Gore into next week, and on other tries the subtle fake of moving in sync with the handoff where either Allen keeps it or gives it to Frank, was pretty fugly.

 

Need to clean that up with Singletary too as I think it is a play this offense could leverage if they can execute it better.

 

 

 

[Bookie Man]

Yes it was a halfback pass. Knox was trying to run a flag type rout. Pitt defended it well. 

[BillsFanSD]

That particular series was an abomination.  Not going to fret about it too much because I'm enjoying the win and don't want to dwell on the negatives, but had we lost this game we would all be melting down about those three play calls.

[Sundancer]

4 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

Sure looked like it and like a smart veteran who cares more about winning than stats he quickly pulled it down and covered it bracing for the hit.

 

Way to be Frank that was a good 2 yd loss.

 

Agree. I've seen this play run a lot this yer over the league and it seems like almost every guy throws it, and it's usually a horrible decision. Frank did the right thing eating it. 

[MAJBobby]

5 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

Right after the big INT return and the first down after we went with a heavy package with first and goal on 8.  First down we try to run Gore wide lose two yards, second down almost the identical play and result but if you look at the replay it almost looked like Gore was thinking about pulling up to throw a pass.  Has Gore ever thrown a pass in his NFL career?  Dabol play calling puzzles Me since to throw out of a run like that the RB needs to go,deeper and not attack the LOS resulting in a loss of yards if he doesn’t throw the ball.  Would have been better to toss it out of bounds if play was blown up than losing critical yards.  We lost 10 yards on that series and had to settle for a FG.

 

Yep we did

[Mike in Horseheads]

25 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

 

Did you guys see the Cowboys game? 

The Steelers did

[CLTbills]

5 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

Right after the big INT return and the first down after we went with a heavy package with first and goal on 8.  First down we try to run Gore wide lose two yards, second down almost the identical play and result but if you look at the replay it almost looked like Gore was thinking about pulling up to throw a pass.  Has Gore ever thrown a pass in his NFL career?  Dabol play calling puzzles Me since to throw out of a run like that the RB needs to go,deeper and not attack the LOS resulting in a loss of yards if he doesn’t throw the ball.  Would have been better to toss it out of bounds if play was blown up than losing critical yards.  We lost 10 yards on that series and had to settle for a FG.

Had John Brown ever thrown one before he did to Singletary in Dallas?

[SectionC3]

4 hours ago, Sundancer said:

I

Next play was a delayed handoff to Motor for a loss of 1. Next play was fg. That 3 play sequence sucked. 

 

 

It was all about the HB option pass.  The draw on 3rd was an attempt to be safe (no sack) and maybe catch them napping.  

 

BTW, for as much as that goal line sequence didn’t work out so well, the play call on the Kraft TD was brilliant.  3WR left hold one safety, Singletary angle route holds LB, Allen’s eyes hold other safety, Kroft wins and and Allen makes an easy, safe throw in a tight spot with probable pressure.  Just brilliant. 

[RichRiderBills]

5 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

It was definitely a pass and the Steelers played it well with the coverage in the end zone.

 

I have no issue with the calls because they used the first run to set up the halfback pass attempt.  It was a cute play and I prefer that they just man up and make some plays, but sometimes you get an easy score because of tendencies and I think they were taking a shot to mess with their tendencies and it did not work.

 

 

 

Its such a lousy call that close in because coverage are so condensed that close in. Has to happen so quick. Its a narrow window to execute , and even so defenders can adjust to dropped coverages. Terrible call.  I'd rather have my QB throwing in the spot. There's a reason you dont see that often.

 

Daboll called a very mediocre game.

[TPS]

Once I realized it was a HB option from the replay and Collinsworth's saying so, I felt much better about the play call.  I sat there in disbelief muttering "what the hell are they doing running the same damn play on second--Frank Gore on the outside!?!?" 

I wonder if it would've had a better chance of success if they did it on the first down run?   

[Da webster guy]

The John Brown TD pass changed the entire game on Thankgiving.  It took the wind out of their sails and was the single most important play of our season.

 

I like Dabolls thought there:  we're well within FG range and can take a small loss on the play for the chance to have them bite on the run play and give us a wide open receiver in the end zone.  

 

Reasonable risk/reward choice imo

[CNYfan]

The series at the 7:55 mark of the 4th qtr was also bad.  Three runs took two minutes off the clock.

 

Too conservative for me.