Don Otreply Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Just as silly as your comment that Duke Williams is the only receiver who can catch contested passes. Apparently you have little to no confidence in players like John Brown & Cole Beasley, who may not be perfect, but have been very good players for us. Nuthin but luv, you say? That's what you call luv? As a “big bodied receiver, yes he is the only one, that fits the description, re focus man, , as to nuthin but luv, I was directing that toward you, follow along... you are nothing if not persistent my friend, i’m off to dinner, be back mañana, Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 hours ago, Steptide said: This is my thinking too. While Duke may not be a deep threat, I do think he can make some of those contested catches on the sideline 10 yards downfield, and also in the red zone Yep. 51 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Honestly. The guy had super limited snaps and his last play was a huge one when he got hurt. Not sure about the separation thing. Think he banged someone's wife. Well he must not have done it correctly then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I know this is the CFL and rules are different as well as talent level, but most of these passes are deep passes. I refuse to believe he can't be a deep threat. Also watch the catch at 2:12, that is exactly what he can do compared to our other smaller recievers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, ngbills said: How many games has he played in the NFL? That is a reach to call him dependable and shown success in the NFL. He has barely played. At this point he is barely NFL talent yet on these board he is a dependable, proven, #1 WR that can help win games for you. Huh? What is with your exaggerations? No one called him a #1 receiver. Most people are simply saying he provides the offense something they lack. A big target that can and has made contested catch. Its called having some versatility instead of having just a bunch of small speed guys. 1 hour ago, ngbills said: Yes people have said he is a #1 in essence by saying he is the guy you throw the ball to on the last play of the game. He has played in 3 games. Not sure what the definition of dependable is? I would think it at least is someone you suit up every week. And in the games he had one decent game and in the other tow despite receiving over 50% of the snaps in each caught 1 ball. Calling him dependable makes it sound like he came out and had at least average games, not 1 catch. Those are substantiated facts. Say hi to Duke for me... Foster has 10 games. In 7 games he has zero catches. In 3 games he has 1 catch each. McKenzie and Foster are essentially the same player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: Honestly. The guy had super limited snaps and his last play was a huge one when he got hurt. Not sure about the separation thing. Think he banged someone's wife. He may very well have tasted the fruit of another ?, the thing I like about him is he only appears to need about a body width to make a catch when he is tightly covered. On his TD catch he has his defender beat in four step off the line of scrimmage, and makes an easy catch on a well thrown ball. Baldy does a film breakdown on that play, he makes it plain how he beats his coverage for the score, check it out. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Don Otreply said: They can have both, if they would just choose to. Go Bills!!! Agree they have speed guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: What is with your exaggerations? No one called him a #1 receiver. Most people are simply saying he provides the offense something they lack. A big target that can and has made contested catch. Its called having some versatility instead of having just a bunch of small speed guys. Foster has 10 games. In 7 games he has zero catches. In 3 games he has 1 catch each. McKenzie and Foster are essentially the same player. Come on. Many on this thread are saying if Duke is in the game we win and he catches the ball thrown to Brown etc. One guy said he just throws his arms in the air and its a TD. Catches everything his way. How he will to NE and stick it to us. None of that is reality. He had a decent game and otherwise has not been good enough. Yes, this team could use a big WR. Does not mean it has to be Duke as there are plenty that are simply better than him. Edited December 13, 2019 by ngbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steptide said: I know this is the CFL and rules are different as well as talent level, but most of these passes are deep passes. I refuse to believe he can't be a deep threat. Also watch the catch at 2:12, that is exactly what he can do compared to our other smaller recievers OMG!!!This has been done before. We've seen the videos already. Did you see the video of the catch over Tre White in practice? Edited December 13, 2019 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Dear Coach, please activate Duke already. Please, I beg of you. It's getting crazy over here. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dopey said: OMG!!!This has been done before. We've seen the videos already. Did you see the video of the catch over Tre White in practice? OK.... And... You're saying his experience isn't relevant, or that his previous play doesn't apply in the NFL? I'm not following Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Steptide said: OK.... And... You're saying his experience isn't relevant, or that his previous play doesn't apply in the NFL? I'm not following Ya see, if he’s not the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice, he should be kicked to the curb, don’t ya understand that the things that he has already done in the CFL and the NFL are not repeatable at any time in his future? Those things basically never happened... (sarcasm included) i’m Starting to think we got a bunch of pissed off Zay Jones fans here, ? Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Steptide said: OK.... And... You're saying his experience isn't relevant, or that his previous play doesn't apply in the NFL? I'm not following Not following?!? It's pretty evident what I'm saying. Videos of Duke have been posted here already. Pretty sure coach has seen them too. In my defense, I did put up a post asking, no begging coach to activate him. We'll see if he listens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, Dopey said: Not following?!? It's pretty evident what I'm saying. Videos of Duke have been posted here already. Pretty sure coach has seen them too. In my defense, I did put up a post asking, no begging coach to activate him. We'll see if he listens. I do not recall, and apologize in advance. One of the NFL Games Duke was doing well in , the announcer , whom i do not recall, was speaking about how he squeezed the ball when catching. Showed replays and making that point how Duke catches the ball. Very hard for defenseman to break his grip once in his hands. it was truly fun to watch. and very true. For all his faults? he gets and puts the ball away like few others and he blocks pretty badazz Love the Duke Hope he gets some game time this year Go Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Has their been a CFL receiver from the last 10-15 years who has been productive in the NFL? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The o-line sucked. Plain and simple. They got over powered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, jrober38 said: Has their been a CFL receiver from the last 10-15 years who has been productive in the NFL? Joe horn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 This team is allergic to tall receivers and TEs that can actually catch the ball man Dawson Knox drops a lot of passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Joe horn He first played for the Chiefs 23 years ago. Has there been anyone since? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, jrober38 said: He first played for the Chiefs 23 years ago. Has there been anyone since? Not that I can think of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 16 hours ago, jrober38 said: Has their been a CFL receiver from the last 10-15 years who has been productive in the NFL? Haven't you been reading?! Duke caught a TD vs. Tennessee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 17 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: I do not recall, and apologize in advance. One of the NFL Games Duke was doing well in , the announcer , whom i do not recall, was speaking about how he squeezed the ball when catching. Showed replays and making that point how Duke catches the ball. Very hard for defenseman to break his grip once in his hands. it was truly fun to watch. and very true. For all his faults? he gets and puts the ball away like few others and he blocks pretty badazz Love the Duke Hope he gets some game time this year Go Bills Don't deny he has decent hands. Any issues we have had with drops have been by Zay and Knox. Duke replaced Zay and had 1 decent game, then benched after 2 sub-par games and an injury. Duke is not replacing Knox. Throughout all these posts, the theme for anyone apposed to Duke getting the nod is that he doesn't offer enough to sit someone else. It's not just us, it's the coaching staff that I trust and has taken us to the record we have right now. As a couple of posters noted, we didn't lose to Baltimore because Duke didn't play. If Josh hits a couple of passes that were available in the 1st half, we stand a good chance to win. Those were not contested balls, they were way off and even Duke wasn't catching those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 16 hours ago, jrober38 said: Has their been a CFL receiver from the last 10-15 years who has been productive in the NFL? The NFL doesn't tend to miss on Offensive players very often these days. Pre 2000 it happened all the time, usually over racism or just plain stupidity in scouting. Defensively is where some players have been overlooked like Cameron Wake etc. But that's what makes Duke's case interesting. Talent wasn't a problem, it seems to NFL teams were scared off by the "character" incidents at Auburn. I don't think the Rams gave him a chance in 2016. What's happening now is something really odd.Duke gets a small opportunity with the Bills and makes the most of it in the preseason and they cut him. He gets brought back off the practice squad and performs well and catches most of the throws his way, scores a game winning TD , gets hurt in a game and disappears of the face of the earth. In spite of the fact that other players brought into replace him have completely failed to do anything. Its also weird because the Bills Offense is screaming for a big body on contested throws or Josh's high throws. I would love the local media to ask McD about Duke but so far I haven't seen any explanation. Just a weird situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: He first played for the Chiefs 23 years ago. Has there been anyone since? Well, DW limited game time in the NFL has been successful, why they don’t continue to use him is an unanswered question. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 19 hours ago, Dopey said: Dear Coach, please activate Duke already. Please, I beg of you. It's getting crazy over here. ...think it would be a good idea to have that size and someone who will go up to fight for the ball vs Steelers defense..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Dopey said: Don't deny he has decent hands. Any issues we have had with drops have been by Zay and Knox. Duke replaced Zay and had 1 decent game, then benched after 2 sub-par games and an injury. Duke is not replacing Knox. Throughout all these posts, the theme for anyone apposed to Duke getting the nod is that he doesn't offer enough to sit someone else. It's not just us, it's the coaching staff that I trust and has taken us to the record we have right now. As a couple of posters noted, we didn't lose to Baltimore because Duke didn't play. If Josh hits a couple of passes that were available in the 1st half, we stand a good chance to win. Those were not contested balls, they were way off and even Duke wasn't catching those. I feel it really just comes down to matchups as Daboll sees them. If I. Mac is in there, i expect sweeps and trickery. we did not see much of that against Ravens. as Balt shut it down asap. That was a game i would have thought Dimarco Smith Knox and Williams would have been keys to the game.. But i know i am just a homer Fan who has my owmd preferences from week to week how to play offense. and and well aware from my "couch" i cannot see what McBeanes and Company see or wish to see. To others i preach patience. We are limited to what we can do on the O line and Baltimore quickly limited Bills Offenses options. Steelers have some defensive similarities. perhaps this game we go for chunk plays and self aware dump offs and check downs to keep the chains active ? Buddy at work said "go deep early" I said nope if it does not work they put everyone in the box and nothing works. Play the horizontal game. Hope Duke finds a home here. if not someplace else in the NFL Cheers Dopey 3 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Well, DW limited game time in the NFL has been successful, why they don’t continue to use him is an unanswered question. Go Bills!!! His last game he played dropped a key ball or two. been awhile so not sure details. The following week i thought, McD must have been pretty pissed, and have not seen him since. I agree with above ^^ it is just a bit odd trust the Process . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Not that I can think of Neither can I. I mean, he ran 4.72 at the combine. Guys with that type of speed typically don't make it in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Neither can I. I mean, he ran 4.72 at the combine. Guys with that type of speed typically don't make it in the NFL. Jerry Rice ran a 4.71. Just saying, just saying. Not comparing Duke to Rice by any means obviously, but Jerry Rice, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald would all like a word with you, sir. Edited December 14, 2019 by Nelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 We should have a thread (preseason) predicting who our WR heartthrob will be next year. There always seems to be a guy on the fringe of the roster who has vocal supporters. I’m NOT saying they aren’t right sometimes, but who is next years guy? Cause it’s always someone. Like clockwork. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Augie said: We should have a thread (preseason) predicting who our WR heartthrob will be next year. There always seems to be a guy on the fringe of the roster who has vocal supporters. I’m NOT saying they aren’t right sometimes, but who is next years guy? Cause it’s always someone. Like clockwork. Drew Haddad, Martin Nance, and Da'Rick Rodgers say hello! Edited December 14, 2019 by Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 2:19 PM, ngbills said: Come on. Many on this thread are saying if Duke is in the game we win and he catches the ball thrown to Brown etc. One guy said he just throws his arms in the air and its a TD. Catches everything his way. How he will to NE and stick it to us. None of that is reality. He had a decent game and otherwise has not been good enough. Yes, this team could use a big WR. Does not mean it has to be Duke as there are plenty that are simply better than him. Who on our roster? This is about this year. Duke is literally the ONLY big bodied sure handed receiving threat this team has. Unfortunately, that's including Tight Ends since Knox is Mr. Unreliable when it comes to catching the damn football. Duke has more catches and TDs than Foster does this year on just over half the targets. I like Foster, but he and McKenzie are interchangeable in this offense if Allen can't hit him on the deep balls and McKenzie is more elusive. Just activate Duke and use him situationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Logic said: Drew Haddad, Martin Nance, and Da'Rick Rodgers say hello! But did any of them lead the CFL in receiving? I know it's meaningless, but it's still pretty cool. Plus only Da'Rick also had an NFL TD, so there's a tiny bit of understandable magic to Duke and I'm on board. But yeah, totally down to pick the next practice squad WR heart throb, it is a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Nelius said: Jerry Rice ran a 4.71. Just saying, just saying. Not comparing Duke to Rice by any means obviously, but Jerry Rice, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald would all like a word with you, sir. Jrober38 did say "typically". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, Dopey said: Jrober38 did say "typically". Cris Carter, Chad Johnson, Hines Ward, Brandon Marshall, and Brandon Lloyd for honorable mention? Lots of slow 40 times for a lot of good receivers. If anything, it seems far more rare for the 4.3 burners to turn into anything more than gadget players, let alone a Hall of Famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, Nelius said: Cris Carter, Chad Johnson, Hines Ward, Brandon Marshall, and Brandon Lloyd for honorable mention? Lots of slow 40 times for a lot of good receivers. If anything, it seems far more rare for the 4.3 burners to turn into anything more than gadget players, let alone a Hall of Famer. Duke has no speed, is not at all quick and has about the same vertical leap as Cody Ford. He has nice body control and very good ball skills and is very physical. He's basically an undersized and slow receiving tight end. You are comparing him to WR's who were smooth and sudden and had a lot of traits Duke does not have beyond just being slower in the 40 than most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) No, I am not REMOTELY saying Duke Williams is on the level of one current 1st ballot HOFer and one future 1st ballot HOFer... but... When was the last time Buffalo had AND utilized a well known surehanded AND big bodied WR or TE? Pete Metzelaars???? I'm talking surehanded in the manner that Gronk's scouting report describes him, which is the description of "consistent hands and plucks the ball." Gonzales was the same player throughout his career. Is there any more important attribute as a guy who catches the football? Guys, the Bills have the HIGHEST drop percentage in the NFL through 13 games BY FAR!!! Has the Bills organization been overvaluing lesser important skillsets over the last 2+ decades? I feel like off the top of my head I can go through a BUNCH of NFL teams and find guys very recently that fit this category: Detroit had Megatron San Diego had Gates Tampa has Mike Evan's Pat's had Gronk Cardinals have Fitz Cleveland had Gordon (saw Pats and now Seahawks follow) Bengals have AJ Green Bears then Eagles had/have Jeffery Saints have Michael Thomas Saints then Eagles had/have Jimmy Graham Chiefs have Kelce (had Gonzalez) Falcons have Julio (had Gonzalez) Panthers have Olsen Honestly, do we have this guy on the roster? I truly think Knox could be that guy if he could learn to catch the damn football, but not right now. Maybe he gets with the jugs machine and wildly improves next year... happened with Gonzalez in the aforementioned show by his own admission. Truthfully, right now the closest guy we have is Duke Williams, who's inactive every week. This all just seems like a bad recipe for a team with a young QB who's been repeatedly advertised as "inaccurate." Again, the Bills have the 2nd highest total number of drops in the NFL but have the highest drop % in the NFL!!! This has been seemingly a trend with this team as we care about "versatility" and "athleticism"--see Charles Clay. Those are great traits unless they exist without the ability to reliably finish the play. I hope Knox becomes this guy next year, but he sucks for reliability right now. Time to activate Duke and start throwing it to him. Get a true #1 next year, but let's make sure we have all our best options actually active to start utilizing them so we can make some damn noise this year...and it starts Sunday!!! Edited December 14, 2019 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) That is a bit of a reach, no? p.s. Buffalo has Knox Edited December 14, 2019 by buffaloboyinATL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Good lord this is so ***** stupid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) Every time I watch Tom Brady play I feel like we need to bring up Davis Webb. I mean both players throw the ball with their right arm. Am I doing this right? Edited December 14, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: That is a bit of a reach, no? p.s. Buffalo has Knox Knox can't catch. That's one of just 2 critical components 7 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Good lord this is so ***** stupid Stop being such a whiny cotton headed ninny muggins. I'm looking at this year. Duke can be cut in the offseason for all I care so long as we take care of the prerequisite qualifications. Stop focusing on your misconception that I'm comparing Duke Williams with Gonzalez and Gronk--which I'm not--and start focusing on our most disturbing issue... HIGHEST DROP PERCENTAGE IN THE NFL Edited December 14, 2019 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Every time I watch Tom Brady play I feel like we need to bring up Davis Webb. I mean both plays throw the ball with their right arm. Am I doing this right? Wow. Really idiotic. Especially now in a league that's pretty obviously veering strongly away from the statuesque QB and in a year when Brady blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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