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 Allen had a bad game but what is he supposed to do on that last play?  The play before, Morse and his linemates allowed a jailbreak blitz down the middle and it wasn’t the first time that had happened today.  He was justified in getting the ball out immediately.

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I just wish we had a QB and an offensive coordinator.    

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Just now, suorangefan4 said:

 

Yep. I've rewinded it many times and Beasley easily was running away from him right after that screen grab.

 

And there wasn't another Ravens DB on that side of the field either. The one that started there followed McKenzie to the middle of the field. Easy TD if he throws to Cole.


Thanks. I’ve got everyone telling me they know exactly what happened because I posted a screenshot when clearly I would have had to have watched the video in order to make that assessment and take the screen grab. You would think anyone disagreeing with this would actually go back and watch the video however they can find it before they make a counter argument.

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, let’s put it this way.  Josh hits him and he gets tackled short, and you get to put a circle around Brown down by the end zone and say “TD” and second - guess Josh for “checking down”.

 

There is plenty to criticize in Josh’s game today as well as other aspects, but I don’t think you can chalk that one up as a sure TD

Plenty of dropped passes and whiffed blocks didn't help.

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Need help from the cardinals right now. This season can’t end without playoffs now and there a realistic chance that we end up 10-6 or even 9-7. Hopefully that’s enough. Need some help today

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14 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

Squandered opportunity. Allen has to be better if you want to beat the best teams in the league. 

 

Lamar did not explode but he did just enough. That was the difference. 

 

 

The only thing Lamar did was make a couple throws around the los that went for big gains.  He threw a 10 yard pass with blown coverage that 250 pound TE out ran our whole defense 60 yards for a TD.  The difference in the game really was the Josh fumble in our own redzone because our line couldn't block for crap.  Daboll has no answer for a blitz.  He just doesn't.  We cant run screens or quick slants.  Even when we try they are blown up at the los.

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I mean, Allen had quite a few bad plays today, especially in the first half.  He rebounded nicely, but it's not like there's a shortage of stuff to criticize about his game today.  

 

He absolutely delivered on what would have been the game-tying play.  That's was a great pass.  Sometimes the defense makes an even better play.

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I guess Baltimore should have given up when they lost to the Browns.

 

Or maybe, today sucked and was a wakeup call that we still aren't great at beating blitzes against teams with strong defenses, that we can learn from this and make some noise in the playoffs.

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Always hated the all red jerseys ever since that Jets game.

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Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 Allen had a bad game but what is he supposed to do on that last play?  The play before, Morse and his linemates allowed a jailbreak blitz down the middle and it wasn’t the first time that had happened today.  He was justified in getting the ball out immediately.

Daboll needs to call run or Screen then. 

 

How he could not see this upstairs is beyond me. 

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1 minute ago, Slack_in_MA said:

With all the blitzing, how can the coaching staff explain the lack of targets to the TEs on hot routes? Are they that bad? What purpose does Tyler Kroft serve?

 

Absolutely.    Just strange. 

 

The spread offencese they ran all day does no favors for the OL as well...unless the ball comes out of Allen's hand quickly (which it didn't most of the day).   

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1 minute ago, Mopreme said:

Looks like Beazley was in position to at least get a 1st down. 

This is a lose-lose situation in regards to fan 20/20 hindsight.

 

If he throws short of the sticks and Beasley doesn't make it, fans will freak out that he didn't throw to the sticks.

 

If he misses the throw to the sticks, fans will freak out that he missed the underneath guy.

 

The real criticism here is that Brown's route should've been squared off at the sticks to create separation and get the 1st down, not the touchdown.

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Team loss. Drops -- by Knox, Singletary, and Beasley -- were all big. When we all stop seeing red and actually analyze this game, we'll see a lot of positives. The Bills did not play well on offense but still had the best team in the NFL sweating it out at the end. This was a good game between two of the top teams in the NFL.

 

The Bills can play with anyone. That gives them a chance to go to the Super Bowl once the playoffs begin. Probably not this year, but it's possible. They lost to the top two teams in the conference 16-10 and 24-17, and I think they're better than everyone else.

 

This game changes if one or more of those incomplete deep balls are successful.

 

Pressure on the Bills a little bit now to go win in Pittsburgh. By the end of the day, the Steelers and Titans might only be a game back from the Bills with two tough games coming up for Buffalo.

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1 minute ago, SDS said:


The problem with your scenario is that there was no one there to tackle him short. It’s sort of key to your argument.

Oh well. There were many plays left on the field today by the offense . Drops, bad pass pro, etc. pressure was getting through all day, so not going to be too critical of that one play. Went to his best wideout and his mind was made up at that point. They should have made plays earlier in the game. Certainly had opportunities. 

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1 minute ago, SDS said:


1.  That’s what I was trying to show. The defender missed the ball completely. It hit Brown right in the hand.
 

2.  I half a second earlier Cole was moving left to right and he stopped, cut and went the other direction and dropped that guys jockstrap onto the field

Given the lack of time Allen had all afternoon to let receivers make moves, I can't completely blame him for not wanting to wait.  😉      It was a quick decision.   Personally I'm glad he went for the score.  I just don't think the WRs were helping him much.   I was saying on the 3rd down he shoulda just ran a QB draw. I had no faith someone would catch any pass. 

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Didn't expect to win this game. Defense did better than anticipated so it hurts that offense didn't play better. Ravens are a good defense and the pass protection was terrible and too many really bad drops. 

 

Learning game for Josh, we'll bounce back just have to win 1 of 3.

 

This is not a super bowl team, Ravens are 

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2 minutes ago, MDH said:


Did I miss a “need a new QB post somewhere”? or “need an entirely new OLine” one?

 

This type of hyperbole makes discussion so frustrating. People are pointing out players who had poor games, I’m not sure how that equates to them not wanting those players.
 

 


I guess you weren’t in the game threads

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Just now, LeGOATski said:

This is a lose-lose situation in regards to fan 20/20 hindsight.

 

If he throws short of the sticks and Beasley doesn't make it, fans will freak out that he didn't throw to the sticks.

 

If he misses the throw to the sticks, fans will freak out that he missed the underneath guy.

 

The real criticism here is that Brown's route should've been squared off at the sticks to create separation and get the 1st down, not the touchdown.


Yes - or he should’ve stutter stepped coming off the line.  It was a really poor route by Smoke - it was easy for the CB to defend.

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1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Always hated the all red jerseys ever since that Jets game.

No doubt,

 

Burn the fing red uni's , good grief...

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5 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

If I go the rest of my life without hearing that announcing crew it wont be long enough. 

 

For real. That broadcast was terrible - between Fouts, Eagle and and lack of replays, it was just awful...

 

 

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3 minutes ago, 12+83=6 said:

Look.  I am not going to get into a p****** contest with someone who can't see the offense/Allen for what it is.  I have seen your posts before, and no matter what, you are going to make some half-a** comment trying to counter the obvious.  

 

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9 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

 Painful loss! Josh was terrible in the first half. Our receivers were terrible in the second half just when Josh was starting to get his game going. Defense was damn good. Just one blown play that, unfortunately, resulted in a touchdown.  Why no screen passes or draw plays to counter their rush?  

Josh did play better in the 2nd half. Those drops by "what felt like everyone" killed us. Defense gave up only 17 points to maybe the best team in the NFL. When this season will our offense pu our defense. Just once?

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2 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

For real. That broadcast was terrible - between Fouts, Eagle and and lack of replays, it was just awful...

 

 

Fouts is a moron

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Tough opponent and we did not really embarrass ourselves as a team.

 

We aren't quite there, and the holes we all know we have on this team on offense are there still. No taller jump ball receiver (on the field), and poor o-line blocking, painful drops at some key times in games, and Allen escaping the pocket too soon once he loses faith in his pocket.

 

Defense - played well enough, lights out in many ways except for one key coverage error.

 

I think this game turned on some key plays, strip-sack given up by Knox, long TD given up by Poyer, and some pretty poor punts that gave our defense too many short fields to defend. There were a few plays where our receivers needed to make a play for Allen and they didn't - in a tight game like this they have to step up.

 

Allen has masked some poor pass protection by our o-line the past few weeks, this week against this defense as fast as it is with solid tackling vets he could not get that creative on his rollouts or runs - probably a bit gimpy too. On that strip sack he took a pretty good late forearm to the face while on the ground, and numerous other painful shots and then Morse (I think) stepped on his foot to injure his ankle. Allen was not accurate, and rarely looked comfortable or in a rhythm from the get-go. He never really had a chance to get settled into the game because he kept getting hit, sacked, and had to run for his life; he started to hear the footsteps before they were really there.

 

Allen bailed on the pocket too early, but if he hung around he may have made more plays, but also would have taken a lot more sacks and may have also gotten knocked out of the game, so I have mixed feelings about blaming him for bailing early. The o-line needs to hold up better.

 

This team is a few pieces away, but we just took arguably the best team in the NFL down to the wire - no shame, and there are things they should learn from this game. Daboll should really look at some of the plays that Roman has come up with. Allen is not Jackson, but I am sure there are Baltimore running plays we could incorporate into our offense. We need to get better TE's and use them more - especially down near the goal line, or activate a receiver that can high-point the ball.

 

Daboll loves his speedy smurfs, but that quick out pass to McKenzie did not work all day and he kept going to it. There are times you just have to rip up a play instead of literally wasting 3 downs going back to a play that did not work the first time you tried it. Baltimore was good at matching our sideline to sideline speed and were playing a lot of press. That opened things up in the red zone and Daboll was smart to call the legal pick play and to have Beasley in motion for the 2 point try - great calls.

 

Mixed results on our screens today, the long one called back with a hold on Spain was bogus. Spain had his hands inside the defender and the defender had his facemask, but we had more than a few calls go our way too.

 

 

 

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