Jerry Sullivan on our podcast: Anecdote about McDermott

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I can not speak for the location of Nextmanups laryngial apparatus, but in saying it happened at a press conference, he is contradicting the info in the podcast.

At about 29:30 or so - Sullivan says that Pat Freeman was the only journalist who witnessed it but there were multiple people around who witnessed it (presumably, not journalists).

 

It strains credulity to think it happened at a press conference but Pat Freeman was the only journalist who witnessed it, and there has been absolutely no coverage of it.

 

 

 

...doesn't THAT key word leave Nefarious Jerry out of the equation?....just askin'........

[BillsFanSD]

1.  I liked Sully.  I know that's an unpopular opinion here, but I thought his assessment of the Bills tended to be accurate and honest.  I don't live in Buffalo and I'm just talking about his columns -- I haven't followed him since he left the D&C (?).

 

2.   I don't care if McDermott is a jerk, a control freak, or whatever.  Most NFL HCs are . . . unbalanced to put it charitably.  If the guy wins, he can cuss out all the reporters he wants and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

[zevo]

Who ***** cares...all I care about are results...and to this point we have gotten them

[london_bills]

16 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

1.  I liked Sully.  I know that's an unpopular opinion here, but I thought his assessment of the Bills tended to be accurate and honest.  I don't live in Buffalo and I'm just talking about his columns -- I haven't followed him since he left the D&C (?).

 

2.   I don't care if McDermott is a jerk, a control freak, or whatever.  Most NFL HCs are . . . unbalanced to put it charitably.  If the guy wins, he can cuss out all the reporters he wants and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

It's the winning that matters. These reports only have power when losses start happening 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

On 11/23/2019 at 9:41 AM, JGMcD2 said:

He did go off on him.... but this was not the first instance of Fairburn overstepping his boundaries. There are consequences for your actions. 

 

Folks in media are constantly worried about their next story, breaking news, etc. that they don’t really think of the bigger picture. Believe me. Tons of friends who work in the news, an ex-girlfriend, and people I’ve interacted with professionally. All they’re worried about is content and a deadline. They forget about what they wrote shortly after they publish it. 

It seems to me that journalists/reporters are all about breaking news, rarely about the impact on individuals, businesses and families.  At the same time, they seem to be, on occasion, some of the softest people in the world. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

33 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...doesn't THAT key word leave Nefarious Jerry out of the equation?....just askin'........

 

Jerry left himself out....he never claimed to have witnessed the incident himself.  In fact, he was snarky and dismissive about the whole concept of open practice and said "I never go to the things".

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Jerry left himself out....he never claimed to have witnessed the incident himself.  In fact, he was snarky and dismissive about the whole concept of open practice and said "I never go to the things".

 

 

 

...LMAO!!...Jerry?..snarky?.....since when??..........

[Royale with Cheese]

Sully is that guy that's a **** talker who then mocks those who take issue with that.  We all know that type of guy.  

Story probably happened but as well know with any word of mouth, especially since this was an incident with a media guy....there will be some exaggeration.  

 

And so what?  We saw how close the team is and that's under the direction of McDermott.  You can see the team follows his lead and that's all I care about.

As a player, I would love it if my coach showed that passion with protecting his players.  

 

Fairburn is in a competitive alpha male industry in which tempers happen.  This isn't the only incident with a coach, I'm sure of that.  

[oldmanfan]

Sullivan is a has been trying to stay relevant.

[stosh64]

Poor, poor jerry.  Why lie to cast a negative light on something so trivial??

 

 

Here are the replies...If jerry is full of ***** about this what else is he full of ***** about.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by stosh64

[yall]

I hope they have some kimmelweck rolls to go with his beef.

[oldmanfan]

26 minutes ago, stosh64 said:

Poor, poor jerry.  Why lie to cast a negative light on something so trivial??

 

 

Here are the replies...If jerry is full of ***** about this what else is he full of ***** about.

 

 

No he’s not being negative.  He’s a liar.  Sullivan deliberately lied about this.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

33 minutes ago, stosh64 said:

Poor, poor jerry.  Why lie to cast a negative light on something so trivial??

 

 

Here are the replies...If jerry is full of ***** about this what else is he full of ***** about.

 

 

 

That's just a sick Burrrrrrrn. 

 

And the rest of us go "yeah, Jerry, if you can't tell it straight about what they're feeding you in the press box, why should you get the benefit of the doubt that you're telling it straight about ANYTHING?  I bet that spread's what they fed the Prisoners at Stasi HQ."

[Doc]

42 minutes ago, stosh64 said:

Poor, poor jerry.  Why lie to cast a negative light on something so trivial??

 

 

Here are the replies...If jerry is full of ***** about this what else is he full of ***** about.

 

 

 

I guess #fakenews isn't limited to just politics...

[BillsVet]

4 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

I see it as having 4 possibilities:

 

Everything happened EXACTLY how Sullivan said and there was no spin

Nothing happened at all, completely false

It happened but was exaggerated

It happened but Sullivan soft pedaled it

 

Which seems most realistic?  

 

Whatever happened everyone has bad days.  I doubt McD has been100% nice to every person he has met in his life every time he has encountered them. If the in your face described were McD's true personality, wouldn't we have heard at least a few more stories?  OTOH, there are about 3,648,216 stories where Jerry Sullivan has spun things negatively.  I'll go with Occum's Shaver here.  Also the term physical intimidation can be subjective and I'm guessing the 5'8" 114 pound Sullivan's threshold is low.

 

The other thing I wonder about is whether the "relatively young" reporter that "grizzled vet" Sullivan is seemingly trying to protect/defend appreciates his name getting flung around like this solely for the benefit of Sullivan's gadfly street cred.

 

Sullivan tweeted this morning that the food offered to media to OBD was very thin.  Someone followed up by showing that the food for media was quite substantial.  

 

In the past I've taken Sullivan's criticism of the team as true, but this type of distortion calls into question what his agenda is.

 

I'll keep an open mind on this situation and not conclude anything.  

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Sullivan tweeted this morning that the food offered to media to OBD was very thin.  Someone followed up by showing that the food for media was quite substantial.  

 

In the past I've taken Sullivan's criticism of the team as true, but this type of distortion calls into question what his agenda is.

 

I'll keep an open mind on this situation and not conclude anything.  

The conclusion is simple based on the pictures above.  Sullivan lies.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

59 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Sullivan tweeted this morning that the food offered to media to OBD was very thin.

Sounds like a case of biting the hand that (truly) feeds you.  Why don’t the media go and buy something like the rest of the fans do?

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Maybe make up personalized snack packs.  Most reporters gets bagel, danish, beverage.  Sullivan gets hard tack and water.  ?

[bbb]

Sully thinks he's such a hero - and that he and Bucky were the voice of the people.  And, he points to John Murphy's show as propaganda.  I hate that show, too - because it is propaganda.............But, a good journalist like Larry Felser and Mark Gaughan after him - they weren't pushovers but they weren't aholes.  There's a huge amount of land in between Murphy and Sully.  

 

I agreed with a lot of what Sully said about today's media at the beginning.  The host talked about there not being unbiased news anywhere in this country - so he gets it from the CBC and BBC...............Sully talked about his trusted news sources being the NY Times, WaPo, NPR, CNN and MSNBC.......................OK - no bias there!  LOL  

[eball]

Hahaha was that Mike Rodak himself throwing shade at Sully in response to the press box food tweet??

[MAJBobby]

On 11/23/2019 at 1:05 AM, gomper said:

I've been asked by the mods to time stamp the relevant Bills part of the show. The first 25 minutes or so pertains to the state of journalism today. Feel free to skip if that's not your thing. 

 

However, at the 26:00 mark, Jerry recounts a recent tale about what a control freak McDermott is. I have independently verified that this indeed happened. 

 

I should have been clearer in my original post. If it gets locked, I'm only doing what others asked me to do. Happy Holidays everyone! 

 

Listen to Jerry Sullivan Joins the Show - No Holds Barred Edition by RogCast SportsPOD - Buffalo, NY on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/rogcastsports/jerry-sullivan-joins-the-show-no-holds-barred-edition

 

no Jerry we will not listen to your dumbass podcast because you cannot find meaningful employment elsewhere 

[Warcodered]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

?

 

 

[bbb]

Nice tweet, Marcel!

 

I don't even know what Sully is talking about............He would be the first one complaining about the lack of journalism ethics if they were cheering in the press box.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

Perhaps they were all enjoying the quiet contentment that comes with a full stomach, thanks to a nice hospitality table...

Edited November 25, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, bbb said:

Sully thinks he's such a hero - and that he and Bucky were the voice of the people.  And, he points to John Murphy's show as propaganda.  I hate that show, too - because it is propaganda.............But, a good journalist like Larry Felser and Mark Gaughan after him - they weren't pushovers but they weren't aholes.  There's a huge amount of land in between Murphy and Sully.  

 

I agreed with a lot of what Sully said about today's media at the beginning.  The host talked about there not being unbiased news anywhere in this country - so he gets it from the CBC and BBC...............Sully talked about his trusted news sources being the NY Times, WaPo, NPR, CNN and MSNBC.......................OK - no bias there!  LOL  

 

The interesting thing is that it's not even quite that clear cut with Murphy.  Yes, he's essentially a paid Bills PR rep, but he sometimes asks 'Zo Alexander some pretty tough questions that 'Zo answers honestly on "The Lo Down" segment.  Now he doesn't ask "Imma try to embarass you on video" stuff of 'Zo, which IMO is fair when 'Zo is apparently doing the show gratis as a way to build a journalism resume, but it's not all fluff and rah-rah and some good stuff comes out - and not always what Murphy expects!

 

One of my favorite Bills pieces.

[ndirish1978]

So Sullivan's "big story" on a podcast no one has heard of is a second-hand account of something that happened to someone else? This guy is just begging for attention; he's a subpar writer and realizes that his only niche is to troll the fans so he can get clicks to remain employed.

[Doc]

16 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

So Sullivan's "big story" on a podcast no one has heard of is a second-hand account of something that happened to someone else? This guy is just begging for attention; he's a subpar writer and realizes that his only niche is to troll the fans so he can get clicks to remain employed.

 

Sounds familiar...

[Richard Noggin]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Sounds familiar...

Yep, except for the numerous first-hand accounts corroborating and even furthering the complaints in question, from sources across the political spectrum. That is, IF we're talking about the same thing.

 

Anyways, Sullivan's breakfast lie/omission is really the most simple and damning example of his lack of integrity. Funny how that works. Social media is a useful tool for fools to reveal themselves. 

 

Sounds familiar...

[BillsVet]

41 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

So Sullivan's "big story" on a podcast no one has heard of is a second-hand account of something that happened to someone else? This guy is just begging for attention; he's a subpar writer and realizes that his only niche is to troll the fans so he can get clicks to remain employed.

 

I don't think he's a sub-par writer, but he's definitely got an axe to grind about a lot of things and it's spilled over into coverage of the Bills and perhaps Sabres. 

 

It's tiresome to see people making stuff up to validate their own opinion.  To me that's journalistic malpractice, even if it comes down to distorting what the team did for the media.  Besides, who the heck complains about free food at a game?  And, I highly doubt anything's changed under the Pegula's in this regard all of a sudden for Sullivan to report on Twitter.

 

 

[BillsFan4]

On 11/24/2019 at 12:25 PM, stosh64 said:

Poor, poor jerry.  Why lie to cast a negative light on something so trivial??

 

 

Here are the replies...If jerry is full of ***** about this what else is he full of ***** about.

 

 

In the bottom 2 photos, You can actually see the one little table Jerry Sullivan took a picture of (with the toaster and donuts on it). 

 

I guess he just didn't notice the much bigger table table filled with food sitting right next to the table he took a picture of... ?

[thebandit27]

That there is a dude with an agenda.

 

You can say a lot about the Bills, but their facilities have improved a bajillion fold since the Pegulas bought the team.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Yep, except for the numerous first-hand accounts corroborating and even furthering the complaints in question, from sources across the political spectrum. That is, IF we're talking about the same thing.

 

Anyways, Sullivan's breakfast lie/omission is really the most simple and damning example of his lack of integrity. Funny how that works. Social media is a useful tool for fools to reveal themselves. 

 

Sounds familiar...

The first part of your response is clearly wrong. Come to PPP to find out why.

[Royale with Cheese]

What an absolute dbag.   I mean seriously.

Sullivan is a living troll.

Edited November 25, 2019 by Royale with Cheese

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

That there is a dude with an agenda.

You can say a lot about the Bills, but their facilities have improved a bajillion fold since the Pegulas bought the team.

 

Judging by the clips of the Visitors locker room in some of the postgame reports, there would be some exceptions ?

 

They might have got a new coat of grey paint

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Judging by the clips of the Visitors locker room in some of the postgame reports, there would be some exceptions ?

 

They might have got a new coat of grey paint

 

I have made my position on that topic quite apparent: it's a total dump and gives a really bad impression to visiting players who the team may eventually want to court as FAs.

[bbb]

That Buffalo Rumblings seems to think that was actually a positive post by Sully?  

 

 

 

Who would follow Sully close enough to know that he's always complaining about a lack of a toaster in a press box??  Is Rumblings being sarcastic?  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

20 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

I guess he just didn't notice the much bigger table table filled with food sitting right next to the table he took a picture of... ?

The reason he is considered to be a ‘columnist’, and not a ‘reporter’.  A reporter relates information and facts, a columnist opines.