Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Quote Aggressiveness (AGG%) Aggressiveness tracks the amount of passing attempts a quarterback makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion. AGG is shown as a % of attempts into tight windows over all passing attempts. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#aggressiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 These 2 dummies, Nate and Joe on the pregame are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: But to think Allen isn’t holding back the offense, based on his play, I don’t know what you’re watching. Allen holds back the offense to some degree, as does Daboll, and the offensive line, and the entire supporting cast around him. I don't know what you expect. The offense is doing about as well as you could hope given the overall talent level. Guarantee you next year Beane will go all out to find a true #1 receiver. Edited November 17, 2019 by HappyDays 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Why did we bring Yeldon here? And also why wouldn’t you just have kept Murphy if this guy was going to sit every week. We have almost nothing on offense and this guy can catch the ball out of the backfield and be a legitimate 3rd option in the passing game. You are paying a veteran RB to sit every week. It’s senseless As insurance before the draft. He evidently was good enough to make the team but not to make the active Sunday squad every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5ths the charm Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, clayboy54 said: True, but it seems to go way over the top around here. People say stuff to let it out. Other teams have little in terms of knowledgeable fans. If we didn't care we wouldn't share! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, ILBillsfan said: Could also be the tell tell that WR's are not getting good separation and the Bills still need that stud #1 WR the posters are asking for Could be. I know that Allen has missed some open ones. Every QB does. People act as if its every play though because they see one or two plays from some dude posting all22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: True confession time: Last week may be my fault. I purchased a bottle of "Josh" label wine that Friday. Then I left it in the cellar on Sunday. After consultation with the Best Minds found in the Shoutbox (not to be confused with Best Minds Anywhere ?), it was determined that the correct course of action is not to return the bottle, but to open it and drink every drop prior to the 4th Q. I shall sacrifice my liver to the cause of Squishing the Fish! You're all welcome. Imma drinkin..... 2017 vintage, to match his last college ball It's not bad. In fact, it's a lot better than I thought it would be. It's OK. It's actually pretty good sometimes Might even evolve to "damn good" after a few glasses. 3 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This made me laugh out loud. What does this even mean? Tom Brady basically plays like a little girl, and that seems to have been plenty good enough over the years. We don't need Josh to go Super Hero and kill the opposing team with his bare hands. I'm just asking that he complete some passes! He needs to make smarter decisions and not panic like a child. He needs to not let the little things affect his fragile confidence which affects the rest of the game. He has to stop regressing. child like qualities: 1. making better decisions 2. not to overreact and panic 3. Dont let the little things get him down 4. Don’t let his low confidence affect future drives. Edited November 17, 2019 by Kiva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: They come from nextgenstats, which is an official NFL site. It's called AGG%. I have no idea what his or their completion percentage is on those throws. That wasn't your argument so don't try to change it. You said Allen would not throw a ball until a receiver was open and that can't really be debated. I just proved your statement false. Changing the argument doesn't make your statement correct. Nice try at changing the "debate" though. Oh jeez, I said Allen holds back the offense because he lacks in areas top QBs are proficient in, including throwing receivers open. He waits until receivers are open before throwing it, because that’s where the vast majority of his attempts and completions come from. A stat saying Allen throws into a tight window 14% of the time lacks a lot of context, it’s just a naked stat. It’s higher than those other QBs you referenced, but is it because he fails to see another open player during the same play? Is he completing those tight window passes? Look, I’d love to see Allen succeed, he’s QB of my team, but let’s not act like the offensive struggles are not a product of QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Imma drinkin..... 2017 vintage, to match his last college ball It's not bad. In fact, it's a lot better than I thought it would be. It's OK. It's actually pretty good sometimes Might even evolve to "damn good" after a few glasses. How is it? Does it finish well? LOL Edited November 17, 2019 by ColoradoBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Imma drinkin..... 2017 vintage, to match his last college ball It's not bad. In fact, it's a lot better than I thought it would be. It's OK. It's actually pretty good sometimes Might even evolve to "damn good" after a few glasses. Well now you must make amends to get rid of the curse. You have to find a box of Flutie Flakes and eat them with the wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: As insurance before the draft. He evidently was good enough to make the team but not to make the active Sunday squad every week. Too bad, because he's a good receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, 5ths the charm said: People say stuff to let it out. Other teams have little in terms of knowledgeable fans. If we didn't care we wouldn't share! I am here for this passion for the Bills. It just never ceases to amaze me how definitive and final so many of these judgements are. How the heck should any of us know how these decisions and performances will pan out. We don’t even know what the pay designs really are. So in the end, it becomes a fools endeavor to try to act like we know whether or not a player or coach is good or an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kiva said: He needs to make smarter decision and not panic like a child. He needs to not let the little things affect his fragile confidence which affects the rest of the game. He has to stop regressing. Welcome to the board, look forward to more of your expert analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, Mark Vader said: Too bad, because he's a good receiver. I know, personally I feel that in the long run he could be better active than DiMarco but you know................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Oh jeez, I said Allen holds back the offense because he lacks in areas top QBs are proficient in, including throwing receivers open. He waits until receivers are open before throwing it, because that’s where the vast majority of his attempts and completions come from. A stat saying Allen throws into a tight window 14% of the time lacks a lot of context, it’s just a naked stat. It’s higher than those other QBs you referenced, but is it because he fails to see another open player during the same play? Is he completing those tight window passes? Look, I’d love to see Allen succeed, he’s QB of my team, but let’s not act like the offensive struggles are not a product of QB play. What you spoke was wrong. Now you try and twist it into something that wasn't what you said. I am done with the conversation about it. You said he doesn't throw to receivers that aren't open. I showed that he does 14% of the time. I also showed the good QBs that do it less than him. Does Allen have a lot to work and improve on? Yes. Is he as good as those other QBs at this point? No However, what you said was wrong period I am done now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Could be. I know that Allen has missed some open ones. Every QB does. People act as if its every play though because they see one or two plays from some dude posting all22. film room is pretty good and objective imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: Less than an hour to kickoff... time to crank-up the hate! It’s ok Allen will have a CAREER numbers TODAY!!!! 1st 300 yard passing game 4TD’s including a 65 yard ? for a TD GOOOO BIIIIIIlLL$ Edited November 17, 2019 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Just Joshin' said: Welcome to the board, look forward to more of your expert analysis. Thanks man. Happy to contribute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Off to my club, let's get back to business and win! GO BILLS!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Get the W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: What you spoke was wrong. Now you try and twist it into something that wasn't what you said. I am done with the conversation about it. You said he doesn't throw to receivers that aren't open. I showed that he does 14% of the time. I also showed the good QBs that do it less than him. Does Allen have a lot to work and improve on? Yes. Is he as good as those other QBs at this point? No However, what you said was wrong period I am done now. Okay, he throws to covered receivers 14% of the time, who knows the result of those plays or if there were other receivers open during the same play. I didnt twist anything, but there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Imma drinkin..... 2017 vintage, to match his last college ball It's not bad. In fact, it's a lot better than I thought it would be. It's OK. It's actually pretty good sometimes Might even evolve to "damn good" after a few glasses. Solid vino there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kiva said: He needs to make smarter decisions and not panic like a child. He needs to not let the little things affect his fragile confidence which affects the rest of the game. He has to stop regressing. child like qualities: 1. making better decisions 2. not to overreact and panic 3. Dont let the little things get him down 4. Don’t let his low confidence affect future drives. What the actual hell have you been watching? *Looks at post count* Oh, that answers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Lets go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kiva said: He needs to make smarter decisions and not panic like a child. He needs to not let the little things affect his fragile confidence which affects the rest of the game. He has to stop regressing. child like qualities: 1. making better decisions 2. not to overreact and panic 3. Dont let the little things get him down 4. Don’t let his low confidence affect future drives. Yes, fragile is how I would describe the QB with the most 4th quarter comebacks in the league this season...if I were a fool 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 ...just curious...has McDermott totally divorced the offensive side of the ball leaving it in Dabumble's hands?.......if so are you guys ok with that?.....I'll hang up now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Yes, fragile is how I would describe the QB with the most 4th quarter comebacks in the league this season...if I were a fool It’s the rest of his game that’s the problem. Not necessarily fragile, more a maturity issue. Edited November 17, 2019 by Kiva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Chaos said: Before the last game pretty much no Bills fan knew who Preston Williams was. Now he is a significant loss. Hopefully we don't create any more Dolphins short term superstars like Preston Willams or Jay Ajayi. This isn't true, people here were talking about how impressive he was i the preseason. He was a real find for them. Excellent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, Kiva said: It’s the rest of his game that’s the problem. There are parts of his game that need clear improvement; your analysis is among the worst assessments of anything I've ever seen. No offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Foster active over Duke again, *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloTX Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 As long as the commentator doesn't jinx again...should be aaaaaa okay. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Putin said: It’s ok Allen will have a CAREER numbers TODAY!!!! 1st 300 yard passing game 4TD’s including a 65 yard ? for a TD GOOOO BIIIIIIlLL$ We can only hope... GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, freddyjj said: Speedy recovery. DO NOT DO JAMESONS WITH VICODIN. BTDT Done with the heavy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Okay, he throws to covered receivers 14% of the time, who knows the result of those plays or if there were other receivers open during the same play. I didnt twist anything, but there you go. FFS his DVAR is 30th among 33 QBs rated at Football Outsiders at a NEGATIVE 230. Trubisky is only 25th with a negative 55 rating, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: There are parts of his game that need clear improvement; your analysis is among the worst assessments of anything I've ever seen. No offense Blind faith is cool...? Im more of an eye test fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 It's really not a joy to have the haters crying all over the place already. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Okay, he throws to covered receivers 14% of the time, who knows the result of those plays or if there were other receivers open during the same play. "Allen doesn't throw to covered receivers enough." "Yes he does, here's proof." "Why doesn't Allen throw to his open receivers enough?" And around and around we go... Edited November 17, 2019 by HappyDays 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just now, HappyDays said: "Allen doesn't throw to covered receivers enough." "Yes he does, here's proof." "Why doesn't Allen throw to his open receivers?" And around and around we go... Exactly. This is why I rarely get involved in those kind of discussions anymore. Prove one thing wrong and it just changes to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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