This loss could be the start of the collapse (schedule talk)

[Boatdrinks]

28 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

We might have a running game but we will never know as long as a 36 yo Gore who now runs a 4.80 40 is getting majority of the carries. After watching replays there is no ***** way other teams are afraid that Gore will beat them. He can’t beat a DT to the edge on a sweep and looks like he is wearing cement shoes. 

 

My expectations are extremely tempered. This offense has zero elite talent

Singletary got the majority of the carries, but 8 isn’t going to cut it for a whole game. Gore is the RB2, but he can’t get to the edge. 

[Seven-N-Nine]

58 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said:

 

I will bet you 10,000$ right now, that the Bills are not finishing 1-6 or worse.

10,000. Cash.

That would be a terrible gamble, but by all means, go ahead

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

Played well compared to whom?  JP Losman?  Trent Edwards?  Ryan Fitzpatrick when FitzMagic is MIA?  EJ Manuel?  Kyle Orton?  Tyrod Taylor after his promising first season as a starter?  The scariest part of this loss was that it was like a replay of so many crappy losses with any of the above crappy QBs.

 

 

If Daboll is a failure, why does McDermott get a pass???  Daboll is his second OC in three seasons.  McDermott's philosophy -- strong defense, barely functional offense charged with not losing the game -- hasn't been a successful strategy in the NFL in this century. 

 

 

Point 1: McDermott and Beane's "process" appears to be the very same one that the Bills have been employing for the last twenty years: the pursuit of mediocrity with the promise of "wait until next year".

 

Point 2: Take your own advice and watch other games.  Both Kyle Allen and Mason Rudolph are playing considerably better than Josh Allen, not just today but since they've become regular starters.  Give an honorable mention to Jags' rookie QB Gardner Minshew, too.

 

 

lol Rudolph has led his team to all of ten points and took a safety . He’d be run out on a rail. He’s not very good. PIT running game, WRs and D are pretty solid though. 

[Warren Zevon]

WIll the Phins be favored next week?

[Gunsgoodtime]

2 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

Am I the the only one who thought Josh played well with the plays he was given by a suspect o coordinator? His progression is really all that matters in the big picture.

Yes, you are the only one.  Josh continues to make bad throws and cant hit a wide open deep pass to save his life

[eanyills]

10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

lol Rudolph has led his team to all of ten points and took a safety . He’d be run out on a rail. He’s not very good. PIT running game, WRs and D are pretty solid though. 

Connor is out. Pittsburgh running game is rubbish and their WR group has been struggling badly all year.

 

Their offensive weapons aren’t very good right now.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, eanyills said:

Connor is out. Pittsburgh running game is rubbish and their WR group has been struggling badly all year.

 

Their offensive weapons aren’t very good right now.

Compared to the Bills, they’re not bad. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

Or the beginning of our resurrection!

[BuffaloButt]

3 hours ago, Junyto said:

It's over the Bills are who we ?thought they were. 

Really need a comma after it's over!

[dayman]

31 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

Holy cow! Folks are going crazy following a loss calling for McD's job? That's crazy talk. We're in year two after a complete team overhaul. We're 6-3 with a reasonable chance of getting to the post season.  We're certainly better than last year.  We may or may not win a bunch more games this year, but I certainly don't see this team collapsing.  We have a promising young QB who is decent and getting better.  We have several winnable games left on the schedule. We have $85M in cap space next year which can be used to help sign an extra play maker or two on each side of the ball and also maintain good depth.  The process hasn't led to 19-0 this year, but it does appear to be working, despite the unfortunate loss today.

 

 

Did the process include trading up to to draft another bust at QB? If we cut right down to the point that's really what everything we talk about revolves around and it's just obviously the truth now if we are honest with ourselves...this isn't 1985 it's 2019...you know what's up with your QB pretty quick. We know what's up with ours--we need a new one. We have a QB that can't pass. He's ok at throwing it hard though...at least there is that! 

Edited November 11, 2019 by dayman

[John in Jax]

3 hours ago, Junyto said:

It's over the Bills are who we ?thought they were. 

Have been saying this for a few weeks now....and it's 100% correct. The 6-2 record was a mirage.

[SoTier]

17 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

Holy cow! Folks are going crazy following a loss calling for McD's job? That's crazy talk. We're in year two after a complete team overhaul. We're 6-3 with a reasonable chance of getting to the post season.  We're certainly better than last year.  We may or may not win a bunch more games this year, but I certainly don't see this team collapsing.  We have a promising young QB who is decent and getting better.  We have several winnable games left on the schedule. We have $85M in cap space next year which can be used to help sign an extra play maker or two on each side of the ball and also maintain good depth.  The process hasn't led to 19-0 this year, but it does appear to be working, despite the unfortunate loss today.

 

 

I'm not impressed with being marginally "better" than a 6-10 tire fire, and after three seasons, it's clear that "the process" is simply a new package wrapped around the same mediocrity that the Bills have been peddling for the last two decades.  

 

7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

lol Rudolph has led his team to all of ten points and took a safety . He’d be run out on a rail. He’s not very good. PIT running game, WRs and D are pretty solid though. 

 

lol the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Rams ... and Rudolph played well within the limits that Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh coaching staff have set for him. He's not continually missing open WRs or making poor passes.

 

 

[John in Jax]

3 hours ago, MDH said:

I see WRs running open down field and across the middle and the QB missing by a mile on long throws and throwing consistently low and behind WRs over the middle. He’s almost always a split second slow on his throws as well. This last critique I’ll forgive because he’s a young QB and the game moves fast for young QBs.

 

The inaccurate throws aren’t a product of being young.

I agree...saw this today too. And on a handful of plays, when he was on the run/out of the pocket, his field vision went completely to crap, as he almost always picked the wrong guy...the tightly covered guy....to throw to! 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

lol the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Rams ... and Rudolph played well within the limits that Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh coaching staff have set for him. He's not continually missing open WRs or making poor passes.

 

 

They won due to their defense and the coaching staff is better than the Bills. Can’t agree on Rudolph though. He made a lot of mistakes, took a safety and had a fumble returned for a TD. He’s a mediocrity at best, but credit goes to the Steelers organization overall. Many teams would win 2-3 games after losing their QB for the season. 

[SoTier]

 

21 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Compared to the Bills, they’re not bad. 

 

Compared to the Bills, they're offensive juggernauts.  Their defense is pretty good, too, and unlike the Bills defense, they thrive on creating TOs and scoring off them.

[John in Jax]

3 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

It has to be on Dabol. Critical play calling has killed us all year. Key word critical. And I don't want to hear about checking out of plays. Garbage scheme. 

6-10 = collapse

LOL. Uh huh. You think that if we had Aaron Rodgers as QB this year, the results would be the same (with the same plays as Allen has run)? Get real. A LOT of this falls directly to the QB, which by FAR, is the most important player on the field.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, SoTier said:

 

 

Compared to the Bills, they're offensive juggernauts.  Their defense is pretty good, too, and unlike the Bills defense, they thrive on creating TOs and scoring off them.

Their defense is better than the Bills , yes. Their offense still only scored 10 points, but I like the WRs, running game and overall scheme better than Dabolls. 

2 minutes ago, John in Jax said:

LOL. Uh huh. You think that if we had Aaron Rodgers as QB this year, the results would be the same (with the same plays as Allen has run)? Get real. A LOT of this falls directly to the QB, which by FAR, is the most important player on the field.

Sure, the results would probably be better with one of the most talented QBs in the NFL today. Short of trading for one of those, Daboll needs to go. The talent level isn’t quite there, but his schemes and game plans make little sense. 

[ILBillsfan]

3 hours ago, FUTURIST said:

 

Dallas beat the Eagles.  They are a physical team.  They will run all over the Bills.  The Bills can not beat a physical team.

You think The Bills DVOA on off/Deff is bad go take a look at Dallas they are right there with the Bills on who have you really beat.  Philly is it

[SoTier]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

They won due to their defense and the coaching staff is better than the Bills. Can’t agree on Rudolph though. He made a lot of mistakes, took a safety and had a fumble returned for a TD. He’s a mediocrity at best, but credit goes to the Steelers organization overall. Many teams would win 2-3 games after losing their QB for the season. 

 

I'm not saying Rudolph will be better than Allen long term or was a better prospect than Allen -- Rudolph was a third round pick in the same draft as Allen  -- but he's had all of 6 starts, winning 4 of them, throwing for 10 TDs, 4 INTs, and 3 fumbles.   Part of his success is better coaching and part of it is also better support, including a better OL, better running game, and better receivers, but part of it is that he's actually making good passes with some regularity.   He may very well crash and burn before the end of the season but right now, he's playing better than Allen hands down.

 

I've said this before, and I'll repeat it: the way the Bills have built this offense, they've set up Allen to fail.   They've given him minimal support in terms of coaching and providing talent to help him, thrown him to the wolves, and then expect him to sink or swim.  Today he looked like he's struggling against a rip current.  

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

I'm not saying Rudolph will be better than Allen long term or was a better prospect than Allen -- Rudolph was a third round pick in the same draft as Allen  -- but he's had all of 6 starts, winning 4 of them, throwing for 10 TDs, 4 INTs, and 3 fumbles.   Part of his success is better coaching and part of it is also better support, including a better OL, better running game, and better receivers, but part of it is that he's actually making good passes with some regularity.   He may very well crash and burn before the end of the season but right now, he's playing better than Allen hands down.

 

I've said this before, and I'll repeat it: the way the Bills have built this offense, they've set up Allen to fail.   They've given him minimal support in terms of coaching and providing talent to help him, thrown him to the wolves, and then expect him to sink or swim.  Today he looked like he's struggling against a rip current.  

I don’t see Rudolph making better plays or better passes and he’s making plenty of mistakes. He is working with a better supporting cast imo and better coaches. 

[stuvian]

haushka makes a few kicks and this thread would never have been born 

 

We have no tall red zone threat 

[dayman]

9 minutes ago, stuvian said:

haushka makes a few kicks and this thread would never have been born 

 

We have no tall red zone threat 

 

In fairness, the entire point of this thread was how important this game was...so of course I would not have made it had we won today. Not sure what your point you are trying to make. 

[Boatdrinks]

Not even sure if it would be right to consider a collapse, rather than a product of the schedule. The second half has better, more talented teams than the first. A lot of fans would say they expect the team to lose most of those games because the team isn’t that good. So it’s not  a collapse so much as a predictable outcome of the schedule playing itself out. 

[ThurmasThoman]

1 hour ago, leonbus23 said:

 

Sure! Why not!

 

I'll have my attorney send over the paperwork. 

How about if they finish with 7 wins or less, I will agree to the mods banning my IP address and user name, forever.

And if they finish with 8 wins or more, you do the same.

You said that you could honestly see them going 6-10 this year, so why not?

[dayman]

23 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said:

How about if they finish with 7 wins or less, I will agree to the mods banning my IP address and user name, forever.

And if they finish with 8 wins or more, you do the same.

You said that you could honestly see them going 6-10 this year, so why not?

 

I would be more entertained if you both but 10k on the line...personally

[iinii]

7 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

We should start Barkley?

Watch out, that kind of talk is frowned upon. Good thing you didn’t start a thread with that.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

We are not collapsing. We should have, could have won today. We are not great yet and so can lose to teams we shouldn't and beat teams we shouldn't i guarantee we win a game against a better team before this year is out.

 

 

[BuffaloMatt]

14 hours ago, John in Jax said:

LOL. Uh huh. You think that if we had Aaron Rodgers as QB this year, the results would be the same (with the same plays as Allen has run)? Get real. A LOT of this falls directly to the QB, which by FAR, is the most important player on the field.

So we are good with the third and three deep ball to Beasely when the Bills are mid-field to completely kill a drive late in the game. (that is only one example as I'm trying not to barf up my breakfast). That call reeked of desperation. AND the game has to be called to the  players you have not Aaron Rodgers. Dabag opened the year with trying to make Allen Marcia Brady with that NE*/Alabama spread BS. An OC that has chops develop schemes around their talent. Whatever talent that may be. Maybe he should try to run the Veer!

 

[HeHateMe]

15 hours ago, eanyills said:

Connor is out. Pittsburgh running game is rubbish and their WR group has been struggling badly all year.

 

Their offensive weapons aren’t very good right now.

 

Their D vs our O is not a good match-up.  Might have a better chance if our D plays the whole game...

[Phil The Thrill]

18 hours ago, dayman said:

Not going to complain (in this topic anyway) about all the specifics that were so wrong with this game but the short of it is that today really highlighted all of our shortcomings in 1 game and resulted in us losing against a bad football team. Sure, the Browns added talent but they showed exactly why they don't win today very clearly and we basically out-Browns'd them anyway. 

 

So, to put in context how important this loss was to us: 

 

@Miami - Almost beat us at home recently and plays much better with Fitz at QB. We'll probably win but could easily lose. 

vBroncos - 50/50 at best...odds are the Broncos beat us. They're at least good enough to beat the Browns. 

@Cowboys - Obvious loss

vRavens - Obvious loss

@Steelers  - 50/50 at best, not a game we are likely to win on the road. 

@NE - Obvious loss

v.Jets - Again, we could easily lose. Probably win though. 

 

Bottom line is we're looking at a 9-7 records assuming we take care of business against Jets, Miami, and spit with Broncos/Steelers. We have to do that AND either sweep the Steelers/Broncos match-ups or beat one of the vastly superior teams (Ravens, Pats, Cowboys) to get to 10. 

 

Today was a terrible loss. 6-3 for now but the cakewalk schedule is about to heat up. 

Funny how many picked KC-TEN or PIT -LAR or MIA-INDY as “obvious losses.”  It doesn’t work that way

[CoudyBills]

19 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

7-9

Agreed, but I can see a way to 6-10 pretty easily.  They are not a good team at all.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

by this logic The following teams are DOOMED

 

New Orleans, Kansas City, Indy, Panthers, Rams and Cowboys 

 

 

 

[BillsfanAZ]

After last season did anyone think we would be talking about playoffs while being 6-3 with only suffering one lopsided loss? Yeah me either. 

[billsfan714]

Im starting to think my 7-9 prediction was pretty close.  Might be off by a game or 2 at most.  5 of 6 wins so far against teams that will most likely be drafting 1-5.   Thats who we are better than.

[Fan in San Diego]

Every one of our remaining games are winnable. The Ravens looks like the toughest match up.

[Iron Maiden]

2 minutes ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Every one of our remaining games are winnable. The Ravens looks like the toughest match up.

We play the Ravens at home...@NE and @Dallas on Thanksgiving are tougher IMO....