Hebert19 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/grading-nfls-next-generation-of-quarterbacks-josh-allen-kyle-allen-rebound-gardner-minshew-struggles/ Not sure this has been posted but it seems someone looks at allen as doing better than the rest and pretty favorable overall. Guess the sky may not be falling. Edited November 6, 2019 by Hebert19 Update title 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) Thanks for posting. It all seems fair, across all QB’s. As I’ve stated here multiple times, I think Josh is going to be a great QB and this reenforces that others (non-homers) are seeing what I’m seeing: a raw QB who is improving. He was not only the right Josh, he IS the right QB. Edited November 6, 2019 by TroutDog 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Interceptions are down and he makes plays in the 4th quarter. Completion percentage is higher and accuracy is better. He still has some scratch your head throws at times. He's fine and progressing nicely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 Ya. Compared to EJ losman Edward's etc we should be doing cartwheels. Issue is that people are comparing him to mahomes. He is a gamer that loves buffalo what else do you need. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 We have a nicely developing QB, a good defense, a coach that squeezes performance out of every player, a GM with knowledge and a plan. We are 6-2. Yet, people boo and people complain constantly. We won 6 games last year and now the fans complain about the quality of the wins. ?? I cannot believe the negativity from Bills Mafia. Bring back the 12th man. 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Ya. Compared to EJ losman Edward's etc we should be doing cartwheels. Issue is that people are comparing him to mahomes. He is a gamer that loves buffalo what else do you need. Who is comparing him to Mahomes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) This is going to upset someone Edited November 6, 2019 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 56 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Thanks for posting. It all seems fair, across all QB’s. As I’ve stated here multiple times, I think Josh is going to be a great QB and this reenforces that others (non-homers) are seeing what I’m seeing: a raw QB who is improving. He was not only the right Josh, he IS the right QB. I absolutely agree with you. Is it weird that I think the fact he is raw as a positive? If this is him raw, his ceiling could be absolutely insane. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, noacls said: Who is comparing him to Mahomes? You’re kidding right? You must be new around these parts.. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, noacls said: Who is comparing him to Mahomes? All the folks who are still salty that we traded down and didn't draft him 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Interceptions are down and he makes plays in the 4th quarter. Completion percentage is higher and accuracy is better. He still has some scratch your head throws at times. He's fine and progressing nicely. Agreed. Just need more trust in him from the OC. Needs more freedom to sling it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 32 minutes ago, noacls said: Who is comparing him to Mahomes? Ok Watson. Anyone we didn't draft in last 4 years that are playing well is basically the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 But I thought Allen was terrible. Now I just don't know what to believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 I thought it was a pretty objective review of each QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: This is going to upset someone #nextmanup 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I thought it was a pretty objective review of each QB. Agree. And even took a real look at Jackson. Yes hes exciting but hes still more RB than QB right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) Well, its nice to see that grade on Josh, but consider that Trapasso is a Bills fan and used to edit Buffalo Rumblings and contributes to the Buffalo News. Perhaps a bit biased? Hmmmm.... EDITED: Or more likely, better informed, since he probably follows Allen and the Bills more closely than other national media guys... https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-trapasso-b5a9a511 Edited November 6, 2019 by Lurker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: Well, its nice to see that grade on Josh, but consider that Trapasso is a Bills fan and used to contribute to the Buffalo News. Perhaps a bit biased? Hmmm.... https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-trapasso-b5a9a511 Good catch. Was still very good analysis of all IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Ya. Compared to EJ losman Edward's etc we should be doing cartwheels. Issue is that people are comparing him to mahomes. He is a gamer that loves buffalo what else do you need. It’s only an issue because he’s not nearly as good. It’s easy to say he’s better than EJ but it’s still a pathetically low bar to set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: It’s only an issue because he’s not nearly as good. It’s easy to say he’s better than EJ but it’s still a pathetically low bar to set. Every silver lining has its cloud.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Every silver lining has its cloud.... The truth is a hard pill to swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bangarang said: It’s only an issue because he’s not nearly as good. It’s easy to say he’s better than EJ but it’s still a pathetically low bar to set. You do realize Andy Reid is the reason Mahomes is successful, right? Alex Smith? First round bust? Remember him? Or how about the last couple games with Matt freaking Moore? The simple folk on this board just can't seem to grasp there's a lot more to football than individual talent. Which is strange, because that's what makes football so great. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: The truth is a hard pill to swallow. I have no problem with the actual truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Lurker said: Well, its nice to see that grade on Josh, but consider that Trapasso is a Bills fan and used to edit Buffalo Rumblings and contributes to the Buffalo News. Perhaps a bit biased? Hmmm.... https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-trapasso-b5a9a511 It’s a small world, all these guys are connected in some way with other sports reporting organizations, not that he isn’t a fan, but that’s the world of sports reporters for the most part. A pretty good write up over all imo. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The truth is a hard pill to swallow. That is rich coming from you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The truth is a hard pill to swallow. Or maybe you’re just not quite there in your assessment. Could happen ya know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Luka said: You do realize Andy Reid is the reason Mahomes is successful, right? Alex Smith? First round bust? Remember him? Or how about the last couple games with Matt freaking Moore? The simple folk on this board just can't seem to grasp there's a lot more to football than individual talent. Which is strange, because that's what makes football so great. Speaking of simple folk, it’s pretty ignorant to say only one thing, or person in this case, is responsible for a QB’s success or lack thereof. Edited November 6, 2019 by Bangarang 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) lets just see how he progresses. its too early to tell. you cannot say he will be a franchise QB, and you can't say he is a bust Trubisky led his team to 12 wins, avg 220 ypg and threw for 20+ TD's and now fans are burning his jersey. Edited November 6, 2019 by Tesla03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I have no problem with the actual truth... And yet, you do 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: That is rich coming from you. Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Speaking of simple folk, it’s pretty ignorant to say only one thing, or person in this case, is responsible for a QB’s success or lack thereof. See my previous post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: And yet, you do Care to elaborate? No. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Or maybe you’re just not quite there in your assessment. Could happen ya know. not quite where in my assessment? What are you talking about? Just now, K-9 said: No. Typical coming from you 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: See my previous post above. What about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: not quite where in my assessment? What are you talking about? Not gonna tell you, ? Okay, It’s about QB assessment, the reason we are posting in this thread, ya might be wrong, is what i’m sayin, Edited November 6, 2019 by Don Otreply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: And yet, you do And yet, I don’t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) Imo if Allen doesn't have major progress by the end of next year and we still are a middle of the pack team/offense I'd really think about getting rid of Mcdermott and his staff and letting Allen work with an offensive minded HC that can groom him into a top QB. as it stands right now no one on this staff has experience with developing QB's. you can only get so far in this league with a conservative defensive minded HC. At the very least find Allen a top OC bc 8 weeks in and Daboll looks like he is really holding this team back. think about it this way. would you want Allen + New HC or Mcdermott + New QB. Edited November 6, 2019 by Tesla03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Typical coming from you Better to laugh at you with an actual response post. Your post just wasn’t worth the positive rep point. Edited November 6, 2019 by K-9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, K-9 said: Better to laugh at you with an actual response post. You’re post just wasn’t worth the positive rep point. You would think he would be in bed by now. Tomorrow is a school day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Hebert19 said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/grading-nfls-next-generation-of-quarterbacks-josh-allen-kyle-allen-rebound-gardner-minshew-struggles/ Not sure this has been posted but it seems someone looks at allen as doing better than the rest and pretty favorable overall. Guess the sky may not be falling. I don't believe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, Luka said: You do realize Andy Reid is the reason Mahomes is successful, right? No. I did not realize this nor do I find it even remotely close to accurate. Andy Reid is a very good offensive mind and the Chiefs have a ton of talent. Matt Moore and Alex Smith look pretty good in the system. Pat Mahomes looks like a transcendent player in the mold of an Aaron Rodgers. I think you're seeing what you want to see. Prior to Mahomes, Andy Reid NEVER once had a 30 TD passing season from a QB. This guy put up 50! There's no reason to spin the truth to fit a narrative as Mahomes has nothing to do with Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Luka said: You do realize Andy Reid is the reason Mahomes is successful, right? Alex Smith? First round bust? Remember him? Or how about the last couple games with Matt freaking Moore? The simple folk on this board just can't seem to grasp there's a lot more to football than individual talent. Which is strange, because that's what makes football so great. Alex Smith and Matt Moore are decent game managers who's ceiling makes them Wild Card contenders at best. Mahomes instantly upgraded then from a WC team to a Super Bowl contender with some of the most ridiculous throws I've ever seen. Reid has a lot to do with Mahomes development but he''s so talented he'd be successful even if he started as a rookie with the '02 Texans. Edited November 6, 2019 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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