Motorin' Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Year G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Rate Sk 1 9 7 1-6-0 95 197 48.2 1043 6 3.0 9 55.4 13 2 16 16 11-5-0 294 557 52.8 3762 24 4.3 17 75.9 28 3 16 16 8-8-0 301 522 57.7 3244 24 4.6 18 77.0 25 4 16 16 10-6-0 297 529 56.1 3336 23 4.3 20 73.9 27 Edited October 28, 2019 by Motorin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 If I could read that chart id vote 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: If I could read that chart id vote Can you read it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 You'd be crazy if you didn't let Josh's career pan out. You never know what he'll turn out to be, but he's absolutely good enough to keep him around to find out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Depends on what else is available. Those stats put me in the same place as Bortles, Winston, Mariota, etc. You could do worse, but should you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Way to many hypothetical posts on this board lol We will have an answer at that time. I also read in another post it was time to fire MCD.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Can you read it now? I've never had any luck reading charts like that on these forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Depends on what else is available. Those stats put me in the same place as Bortles, Winston, Mariota, etc. You could do worse, but should you? These are Eli Manning's first 4 years. He won the Super Bowl the next year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: I've never had any luck reading charts like that on these forums I had to turn my phone sideways and it worked better. Vertical it looks like numbers in a blender. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I am voting yes because though I can’t read the chart the book was and remains Allen has growth to make but has a high ceiling. 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I had to turn my phone sideways and it worked better. Vertical it looks like numbers in a blender. For the Win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Motorin' said: These are Eli Manning's first 4 years. He won the Super Bowl the next year. That still seems like too long ago to be comparable. And that was before the wage scale, so they were much more financially committed. He was on a 6 year contract as a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) I'm not gonna vote because those won't be the types of stats he is consistently putting up by year 4. Guess who's stats these are below after 16 games. Note the 2nd QB on the list, that was after his 3rd year of starting. QB #3 was his 2nd full year as a starter. 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22 109 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3 1 15 15 280 469 59.7 3,513 7.5 18 23 46 280 75.4 32 98 3.1 2 5 2 16 522 318 60.9 32.6 3,303 6.3 206.4 19 3.6 24 4.6 66T 37 5 30 199 72.2 I'm sure I could continue on, but the people who love to find reasons to hate Josh Allen despite the improvement he is showing on the field will continue to hate Josh Allen despite the improvement he is showing on the field. Edited October 28, 2019 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11-5 this year and 8-8 next year.....well thanks for ruining the 2020 season for me. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The Bills will have to decide on his 5th year option after year 3. Anyway, the TD to INT ratio doesn’t look good , and the completion % is too low as well. They’d probably be looking for some competition at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 No, I don’t want Eli Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 If you can have a strong defense and running game those numbers are fine. If its going to cost you between 28- 32 million per. I would move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Year G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Rate Sk 1 9 7 1-6-0 95 197 48.2 1043 6 3.0 9 55.4 13 2 16 16 11-5-0 294 557 52.8 3762 24 4.3 17 75.9 28 3 16 16 8-8-0 301 522 57.7 3244 24 4.6 18 77.0 25 4 16 16 10-6-0 297 529 56.1 3336 23 4.3 20 73.9 27 Nailed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 i hate it when people do this. the game has changed a ton in the last 15 years.... comparing stats is silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 If Josh Allen has the same stats after 3 seasons as he does after 1.5 then you cut him. He can't gain any ***** yards for a year and a half? Are you kidding me? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Motorin' said: These are Eli Manning's first 4 years. He won the Super Bowl the next year. Eli had some lucky throws to help the Giants win the two Superbowls. However, the Giants Dline played a big roll in limiting Brady and Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Looking at cumulative stats since 2015 (when I started tracking), Eli is in the same ballpark as Jameis, Bortles, Tannehill, Flacco, and Mariota. They're all guys you'd love to move on from, but know you could do worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: Way to many hypothetical posts on this board lol We will have an answer at that time. I also read in another post it was time to fire MCD.. Isn't that what fans discussing teams always is? What if they did this? What if they signed that guy? Mystifies me why some have issues with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The Bills will have to decide on his 5th year option after year 3. Anyway, the TD to INT ratio doesn’t look good , and the completion % is too low as well. They’d probably be looking for some competition at the very least. ...and when do we get to decide on the prolific OC Daboll?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Isn't that what fans discussing teams always is? What if they did this? What if they signed that guy? Mystifies me why some have issues with that I don't have an issue with discussing signing guys etc I find that is a reasonable topic to discuss now at this time --trades etc, making the team better . That’s relevant. I just don’t t see the point of this particular topic when it's so far down the road. Edited October 28, 2019 by loveorhatembillsfan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, Bangarang said: No, I don’t want Eli Manning. You don't want 2 SB wins? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 he has the same stats as Goff I’ll hang up and listen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 All I know is the gunslinger is being coached out of him and I hate it. Let him sling it. The inability to strike fast sucks. It's admirable to have such long drives, but it is hard to rely on those. Need more chunk plays and deep shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I would exercise the 5th year option. I would not offer him a long term deal at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Nope, nope, and NOPE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Real McCoy said: You don't want 2 SB wins? Here is where this discussion turns stupid. First of all, you can't guarantee Allen would win us 2 SBs despite being a horrible turnover machine. Second, back in 2007 QBs were still getting massive rookie contracts so the incentive to stick with a guy you just paid $60mil to was greater than it is today. Bad QBs have won SBs before. It doesn't mean I should want to put up with a bad QB simply because some other bad QB won it all a decade ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I read that chart in matrix language, and Josh Allen is “the one” - so I voted yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: All I know is the gunslinger is being coached out of him and I hate it. Let him sling it. The inability to strike fast sucks. It's admirable to have such long drives, but it is hard to rely on those. Need more chunk plays and deep shots Gunslinger, He cah SLING it, just can't HIT very much! He's not the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: All I know is the gunslinger is being coached out of him and I hate it. Let him sling it. The inability to strike fast sucks. It's admirable to have such long drives, but it is hard to rely on those. Need more chunk plays and deep shots I dont think the gunslinger is being coahed out of him. I think most dc's are allowing him those small percentage deep shots. I dont think Allen is accurate enough to hit them consistently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Here is where this discussion turns stupid. First of all, you can't guarantee Allen would win us 2 SBs despite being a horrible turnover machine. Second, back in 2007 QBs were still getting massive rookie contracts so the incentive to stick with a guy you just paid $60mil to was greater than it is today. Bad QBs have won SBs before. It doesn't mean I should want to put up with a bad QB simply because some other bad QB won it all a decade ago. No, the whole discussion is stupid, but that's just me. Guy has barely played a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: Here is where this discussion turns stupid. First of all, you can't guarantee Allen would win us 2 SBs despite being a horrible turnover machine. Second, back in 2007 QBs were still getting massive rookie contracts so the incentive to stick with a guy you just paid $60mil to was greater than it is today. Bad QBs have won SBs before. It doesn't mean I should want to put up with a bad QB simply because some other bad QB won it all a decade ago. Eli was a good Quarterback who was also a bad Quarterback. If you said a guy was gonna have a middling career but get hot twice would you take it? Sure. You might as well take Flacco while you are at it. That should not be the standard we hold Josh to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The middle of year two (actually the beginning of year two based upon # of starts) is NOT the time to guess what we’d do under some hypothetical numbers conjured up for the end of year 4, IMO. I just hope we continue to see progress, and that it’s adequate to know he’s “the guy”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: You don't want 2 SB wins? you can primarily thank the DL for those wins not Eli . though i give him credit for the circus throw and catch to get help the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Eli was a good Quarterback who was also a bad Quarterback. If you said a guy was gonna have a middling career but get hot twice would you take it? Sure. You might as well take Flacco while you are at it. That should not be the standard we hold Josh to. Flacco went the playoffs and won a sb in his first 5 years. He just hasnt had a very productive career since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Eli was a good Quarterback who was also a bad Quarterback. If you said a guy was gonna have a middling career but get hot twice would you take it? Sure. You might as well take Flacco while you are at it. That should not be the standard we hold Josh to. I hate these comparisons so much. 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Eli was a good Quarterback who was also a bad Quarterback. If you said a guy was gonna have a middling career but get hot twice would you take it? Sure. You might as well take Flacco while you are at it. That should not be the standard we hold Josh to. I hate these comparisons so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chris66 said: Flacco went the playoffs and won a sb in his first 5 years. He just hasnt had a very productive career since. That is kind of my point. If the question is just would you take a QB who wins a SB then of course you would. Eli and Flacco at their peak were both top 10 guys though I would argue spent more of their career outside the top 10 than in it. If that is Josh's career at the end of course it is a success. But if you end up with a non top 10 guy and you are just hoping each one is the year where you strike lightening in a bottle and it all comes together then that is not a very good strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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