Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: QB and RB. Yes, they have those. And both play well at times. But when it comes to the difference in winning the SB - neither played well in the SB and neither are playing well now. Gurley just isn’t reliable with his health. I would have said a player on each line. If I had to pick one, OL. I think Goff is the kind of QB where an extra 200 mSec to throw the ball makes all the difference to results, and upgrading the OL might help Gurley too. You do have a point on the RB though. This is just nuts though. They're freakin' 3rd and 3, do they think the Seasnakes and 9ers are going to back off and let them through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: QB and RB. Yes, they have those. And both play well at times. But when it comes to the difference in winning the SB - neither played well in the SB and neither are playing well now. Gurley just isn’t reliable with his health. To be honest, after perusing their stats, they need alot! Run D is good and pass rush decent, the rest not so much. And, McVay's offense doesn't look good anywhere right now. Edited October 16, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: I’d venture they plan on signing him. Like they did with Sammy? that team loves giving away draft picks. Dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, MJS said: Wow. Rams going crazy and doing dumb things. Absolutely horrible trade. this boards been saying it for several years but I recall watching them in the big game despite having a shaky qb and injured star rb. I’m not saying model after everything they do but maybe there’s some sense to it. things probably hit the fan when their qb contract catches up to them and he’s not great... but if he does step up they will be relatively fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 What a stupid move I'm glad those idiots are not in our front office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I’d venture they plan on signing him. Like Watkins - that cost them a bunch and they still lost him. Did not recover the sunk costs. Plus it led to a panic trade of a first for a WR the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: QB and RB. Yes, they have those. And both play well at times. But when it comes to the difference in winning the SB - neither played well in the SB and neither are playing well now. Gurley just isn’t reliable with his health. The Rams look to have regressed in many ways this year. Gurley's career has taken a turn ala Terrell Davis. McVay is having a harder time reading defenses for Goff. The OL is playing like crap. The defense has not been what it was last year also. It's like the team as a whole has taken a step back. Factor in that Seattle and SF have gotten better then you have a team that has to actually fight for position within their division, let alone their conference. I think they were exposed in the SB and the better teams they face are using that blueprint. Edited October 16, 2019 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Virgil said: I mean, they did go to the Super Bowl last year.... You could argue that Gurley being less than himself and Goff taking a step back is what’s hurting this season. in a super tight window that is already closing on them, and I don't think Ramsey opens it back up.. Maybe he delays the shutting, but those picks missing speeds it up just as much. 3 minutes ago, mannc said: He is arguably the best CB in the league. It's a premier position, arguably worth even more than a top edge rusher. That's worth 2 firsts. There were apparently multiple teams willing to give that up for him. He is at times- he hasn't been the past 2 seasons. He's also a headcase. I think he's probably worth the payment, but for the Rams it doesn't make sense. Also, I disagree about the Edge Rusher comment. I don't think that's accurate in today's NFL where number 1 WR's are a thing of the past. A shutdown CB locking out a WR only impacts part of the play. An edge rusher getting to the passer, hitting him, disrupting rhythm, getting sacks, etc. impacts the entire play. 1 minute ago, Logic said: As far as the Rams go...I think all these years of not drafting their own young blue chip players are going to bite Les Snead in the ass. You can't just keep trading away picks for star players forever. First of all, collecting stars does not a great team make. Secondly, you can't pay everyone. Thirdly, at some point, you need to replenish your roster with young, cheap labor. Snead can't play this game forever with his draft picks. As far as the Jaguars go...it's hard to argue with getting two 1st round picks in exchange for a cornerback who has made it clear he wants out. I DO find it funny sometimes, however, how easily teams are willing to part with supremely talented players. Especially lately. Everyone calls it a win for the Jaguars, but draft picks don't mean squat if you don't know what to do with them. In order for the Jags to "win" the trade, they actually need to use their picks wisely. That part's not always so easy. Maybe owners are waking up to the fact that there's two kinds of crazy- intentional, controlled crazy (think TO, Randy Moss, etc) where it's about creating a persona and being known or getting their way, and then there's crazy crazy... AB crazy. Ramsey seems more the second to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Alot to not like about this deal. Establishes you get yourself off a team if you're a big enough diva. It also sets a ridiculous market for a CB. And, one that will undoubtedly get paid as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 They should win the NFC. If not that’s just a big time fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: They should better win the NFC. If not that’s just a big time fail. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 All the jokes about trading White, but honestly with what McD does with DB's, i'd take 2 firsts for White without batting an eye. Throw a 6th to the skins for Norman and watch McD return him to an all-pro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Like they did with Sammy? that team loves giving away draft picks. Dumb ill again point to them winning their conference last year. plenty of day two draft picks don’t work out. They moved on, got a replacement, and received a 3rd round compensatory pick. Essentially they traded back 35 spots on day 2 of the following year to try to fill a hole there. (I’m aware of Gaines but seemed ready to move on from him) Id be fine with that choice here. Worst case is what happened, best case you get a good guy cheap. Edited October 16, 2019 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 McVay feeling desperate? I thought they blew their wad in FA last year lol...still need to pay Fowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, CajunBillsBacker said: That’s the price of difference makers these days. The Bills would never trade like that and the results show. I would have given up 3 1sts for Khalil Mack back then in a heart beat. Well...they did for Cornelius Bennett. That may be before your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I will say... As much as I think it's a bad trade for the Rams, I do feel sorry for whatever OC's have to gameplan a defense that has both Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Like Watkins - that cost them a bunch and they still lost him. Did not recover the sunk costs. Plus it led to a panic trade of a first for a WR the next year. Didn’t really cost them THAT much. a late second and a corner they couldn’t rely on for a 6, a year of Sammy on a rookie deal and a 3rd round comp pick? Doubt anyone lost sleep over it. Edited October 16, 2019 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Soon to be the #1 DB hit too.... Two questions- can they get out of Gurley's money yet? and how on earth can they afford all of that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Maybe owners are waking up to the fact that there's two kinds of crazy- intentional, controlled crazy (think TO, Randy Moss, etc) where it's about creating a persona and being known or getting their way, and then there's crazy crazy... AB crazy. Ramsey seems more the second to me. Fair enough, and I don't disagree. What I DON'T like, however, and what I fear is setting a dangerous precedent, is this notion that as soon as you decide you don't want to play for your current team for whatever reason, you just start acting like a jerk, refusing to show up for work, making a scene on social media, and creating a big distraction for your team. It worked for AB (I mean, for a minute at least), it worked for Ramsey, it worked for Minkah Fitzpatrick. Players are more and more willing to do whatever it takes to get traded, even if it means losing money and causing huge distractions to their teams. Owners, meanwhile, as you point out, seem more and more willing to oblige the players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: ill again point to them winning their conference last year. plenty of day two draft picks don’t work out. They moved on, got a replacement, and received a 3rd round compensatory pick. Essentially they traded back 35 spots on day 2 of the following year to try to fill a hole there. (I’m aware of Gaines but seemed ready to move on from him) Id be fine with that choice here. Worst case is what happened, best case you get a good guy cheap. Yeah, the Sammy deal was no where near as bad in comparison. I mean, this team isn’t going to make the playoffs. Pick this year will prob be mid teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Logic said: Fair enough, and I don't disagree. What I DON'T like, however, and what I fear is setting a dangerous precedent, is this notion that as soon as you decide you don't want to play for your current team for whatever reason, you just start acting like a jerk, refusing to show up for work, making a scene on social media, and creating a big distraction for your team. It worked for AB (I mean, for a minute at least), it worked for Ramsey, it worked for Minkah Fitzpatrick. Players are more and more willing to do whatever it takes to get traded, even if it means losing money and causing huge distractions to their teams. Owners, meanwhile, as you point out, seem more and more willing to oblige the players. I think it's a sign of our society honestly... Just complain till you get your way. Social media is just a microphone for idiots. Edited October 16, 2019 by whatdrought 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: Yeah, the Sammy deal was no where near as bad in comparison. I mean, this team isn’t going to make the playoffs. Pick this year will prob be mid teens. If they are actually truly past their window it gets ugly. If they have 1-2 years left it’s “meh” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They should win the NFC. If not that’s just a big time fail. They're gonna struggle to get to the playoffs, much less win their division, much less win the NFC If the playoffs were held today, they'd be what, 4th or 5th in the line for 2 Wildcard slots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lurker Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: And the lack of talent infusion from 2017-19 is starting to show on the field. Two more years of that and they'll be just another also-ran... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 This makes AFC weaker so I like it. Buuuut Jax in 2 years has 4 1st rd picks f*******! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: They're gonna struggle to get to the playoffs, much less win their division, much less win the NFC I don’t see how they’re not the third best team in their division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, r00tabaga said: This makes AFC weaker so I like it. Buuuut Jax in 2 years has 4 1st rd picks f*******! Relax. They gotta know what to do with 'em. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 McVay knows the History of the NFL very well, he's way smarter than his age. This has been done before by Joe Gibbs and Bobby Beathard, they made very few 1st round picks while making regular Superbowl and playoff runs in the 80's. Redskin 1st rounders under Gibbs: When you look at the fail rate for 1st rounders it makes sense. The difference is the salary cap, we'll see how they maneuver that going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I’d venture they plan on signing him. They have a many large contracts on their roster and they will either need to franchise him or offer him the moon to guarantee he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaxx Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) I say this is good new for us. Best CB out of the AFC and no guarantee that the Jags hit on those 1st rounders. Edited October 16, 2019 by BillsFanForReal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, r00tabaga said: This makes AFC weaker so I like it. Buuuut Jax in 2 years has 4 1st rd picks f*******! As someone said up thread, gotta do something with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Rams will regret this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Aireskoi said: McVay knows the History of the NFL very well, he's way smarter than his age. This has been done before by Joe Gibbs and Bobby Beathard, they made very few 1st round picks while making regular Superbowl and playoff runs in the 80's. Redskin 1st rounders under Gibbs: When you look at the fail rate for 1st rounders it makes sense. The difference is the salary cap, we'll see how they maneuver that going forward. That was pre-salary cap. edit- sorry, I see you said that. Edited October 16, 2019 by SWATeam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Jimmy G threw for 243 yards, 0 td's, and an interception... I don't think Cornerback fixes what ails them. Yep. The 9ers were much more physical than the Rams in that game. The game was decided along the line of scrimmage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: trade Peters, get Ramsey. If true, whoa!. 2 1sts and a 4th tho? yikes! And..........then you need to PAY THE MAN! Too rich for my blood. I love McD’s scheme where we can get some CB’s who can do the job without TOTALLY breaking the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Yep. The 9ers were much more physical than the Rams in that game. The game was decided along the line of scrimmage. Rams OL was a strength last year (until the SB) but has been pretty bad this year from what I’ve seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Poking around Rams’ boards, this move isn’t popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmbchiefs66 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Rams are gonna be garbage for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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