The Red King Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I always wondered why successful challenges cost something. You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful. But even if you got all three right, that's all you get. Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful. I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team? I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned? Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 If they were to do this, then they would have to go to one challenge a game. There is already way too much replay in the NFL, I am adamantly against having anymore. Hate the PI challenge rule and am glad the officials are basically nullifying it by never overturning anything. I’m far more in favor of reducing coaches challenges. I don’t think a successful one should get you anything at all. I believe it should be two challenges in a game, regardless of the outcome. To balance this out I would be willing to make everything reviewable though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I agree and have always thought this. However, if that becomes the case then I think they should have fewer automatic reviews. Every turnover, every scoring play and all plays inside of two minutes are already subject to automatic review and that’s 80% of the plays you would want reviewed to begin with. i would just give the team as many reviews as they have timeouts and that’s it. Successful reviews cost nothing. Failed reviews cost a timeout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 It's to limit it's use people complain enough about the challenges we have now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 They don't want to slow down the game. And it almost never happens when you get 3 challenges right anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Even more replays??? Woo-hoo.....sign me up!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, Warcodered said: It's to limit it's use people complain enough about the challenges we have now. There also has to be a limit on how embarrassed the refs become for being wrong so often. OK, maybe not..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo in Pa Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 To have a head coach have to this with all he has to do during a game is insane. Why is it up to the coach to correct the incompetent refs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Eliminate all challenges, zero replay review, hire better referees and train them properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, The Red King said: I always wondered why successful challenges cost something. You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful. But even if you got all three right, that's all you get. Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful. I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team? I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned? Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. ? I agree and have always felt this should be the case. From 1999 to 2016, 37% of replays have been successful, 43% in 2015-2016. So, using those higher numbers, in 57% of the games, there likely would not be any additional replay. Seeing as there were only an average of 1.3 replays per game, not four as would be the case if both teams used both replays, I see the actual impact as minimal. But, it just seems fair that if the refs screw up the call and are successfully challenged, the team should not be penalized by losing one of their challenges. https://operations.nfl.com/the-game/history-of-instant-replay/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 57 minutes ago, The Red King said: I always wondered why successful challenges cost something. You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful. But even if you got all three right, that's all you get. Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful. I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team? I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned? Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. ? I've always thought this was the case. If you challenge successfully, it should never cost you a challenge and it shouldn't cost you a timeout. You should not be penalized for having assisted the officials in making the correct call. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I've always thought this was the case. If you challenge successfully, it should never cost you a challenge and it shouldn't cost you a timeout. You should not be penalized for having assisted the officials in making the correct call. And to say nothing of the additional advertising revenue your stoppage of play generates for the league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Coaches would use challenges as time-outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 It makes you only challenge significant calls. I'm not sure the number, but it is VERY rare to ever get 2 challenges changed in your favor so I'm fine with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Bills2ref said: If they were to do this, then they would have to go to one challenge a game. There is already way too much replay in the NFL, I am adamantly against having anymore. Hate the PI challenge rule and am glad the officials are basically nullifying it by never overturning anything. I’m far more in favor of reducing coaches challenges. I don’t think a successful one should get you anything at all. I believe it should be two challenges in a game, regardless of the outcome. To balance this out I would be willing to make everything reviewable though The only problem with this scenario is that it assumes the refs are getting the calls correct. But they are uniformly bad across the league. Coaches need some way to counteract how bad the refs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 My rule would be as follows. Each team gets one challenge per half. Every successful challenge earns one more. Your first failed challenge is your last challenge of the half. If Al Riveron continues to refuse to overturn blown calls on pass interference, they might as well repeal the option to challenge pass interference. If coaches know there is no overturn blown penalty calls and they only get one challenge, they'll just stop challenging them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Bills2ref said: If they were to do this, then they would have to go to one challenge a game. There is already way too much replay in the NFL, I am adamantly against having anymore. Hate the PI challenge rule and am glad the officials are basically nullifying it by never overturning anything. I’m far more in favor of reducing coaches challenges. I don’t think a successful one should get you anything at all. I believe it should be two challenges in a game, regardless of the outcome. To balance this out I would be willing to make everything reviewable though They should go to the college rule. Where the booth just calls down the challenge and there can be as many reviews as are needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Yup i've been saying this for a while. If the coach challenges all 3 and gets all 3 right, he should get infinite challenges until he's either out of timeouts or he loses a challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Watkins90 said: They should go to the college rule. Where the booth just calls down the challenge and there can be as many reviews as are needed. The NFL wants the 1pm games over without overlap to the 4ish games, moving some games to 425 has mostly helped another 10 minutes for triggered replay would upset this it all evens out with bad calls, fans who complain will never be happy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 hours ago, The Red King said: I always wondered why successful challenges cost something. You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful. But even if you got all three right, that's all you get. Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful. I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team? I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned? Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. ? I’ve always thought that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I think the nfl is great just the way it is!!! And I love watching it every week!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr. Football said: I think the nfl is great just the way it is!!! And I love watching it every week!! it was best when I was 11 back in 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 hours ago, The Red King said: I always wondered why successful challenges cost something. You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful. But even if you got all three right, that's all you get. Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful. I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team? I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned? Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. ? Yeah, I've often thought that. The problem is that it could lead to too many challenges. Challenges can help correct mistakes, but they also lengthen games and can often themselves prove to be mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Geo in Pa said: To have a head coach have to this with all he has to do during a game is insane. Why is it up to the coach to correct the incompetent refs? Because nobody corrects all the incompetent coaches and players. If fans could correct bad playcalls, poor game management and player mistakes, the games would go on for weeks. The refs do a damn good job, for human beings at ground level. Edited October 15, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bills2ref said: If they were to do this, then they would have to go to one challenge a game. There is already way too much replay in the NFL, I am adamantly against having anymore. Hate the PI challenge rule and am glad the officials are basically nullifying it by never overturning anything. I’m far more in favor of reducing coaches challenges. I don’t think a successful one should get you anything at all. I believe it should be two challenges in a game, regardless of the outcome. To balance this out I would be willing to make everything reviewable though So you want "everything" to be reviewable except the PI which is now reviewable but turned into a joke by the officials and the NFL. Edited October 15, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Scrap the entire system and live with calls on the field. Instant replay and reviews have just as much subjective nuance built into them as calls on the field, and you are never, ever going to "get it right" all the time anyway. The system just ruins games and bogs them down worse than they already are bogged down by commercials. Scrap it! It's crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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