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I always wondered why successful challenges cost something.  You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful.  But even if you got all three right, that's all you get.  Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful.  I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team?  I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned?  Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. 🤔

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If they were to do this, then they would have to go to one challenge a game. There is already way too much replay in the NFL, I am adamantly against having anymore. Hate the PI challenge rule and am glad the officials are basically nullifying it by never overturning anything. I’m far more in favor of reducing coaches challenges. I don’t think a successful one should get you anything at all. I believe it should be two challenges in a game, regardless of the outcome. To balance this out I would be willing to make everything reviewable though 

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I agree and have always thought this. However, if that becomes the case then I think they should have fewer automatic reviews. Every turnover, every scoring play and all plays inside of two minutes are already subject to automatic review and that’s 80% of the plays you would want reviewed to begin with.

 

i would just give the team as many reviews as they have timeouts and that’s it. Successful reviews cost nothing. Failed reviews cost a timeout.

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They don't want to slow down the game. And it almost never happens when you get 3 challenges right anyway.

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Even more replays???   Woo-hoo.....sign me up!!! 

 

 

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Just now, Warcodered said:

It's to limit it's use people complain enough about the challenges we have now.

 

There also has to be a limit on how embarrassed the refs become for being wrong so often. 

 

 

 

OK, maybe not.....

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To have a head coach have to this with all he has to do during a game is insane. Why is it up to the coach to correct the incompetent refs? 

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Eliminate all challenges, zero replay review, hire better referees and train them properly.

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25 minutes ago, The Red King said:

I always wondered why successful challenges cost something.  You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful.  But even if you got all three right, that's all you get.  Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful.  I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team?  I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned?  Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. 🤔

 

I agree and have always felt this should be the case. From 1999 to 2016, 37% of replays have been successful, 43% in 2015-2016. So, using those higher numbers, in 57% of the games, there likely would not be any additional replay. Seeing as there were only an average of 1.3 replays per game, not four as would be the case if both teams used both replays, I see the actual impact as minimal. But, it just seems fair that if the refs screw up the call and are successfully challenged, the team should not be penalized by losing one of their challenges.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-game/history-of-instant-replay/

 

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57 minutes ago, The Red King said:

I always wondered why successful challenges cost something.  You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful.  But even if you got all three right, that's all you get.  Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful.  I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team?  I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned?  Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. 🤔

I've always thought this was the case.  If you challenge successfully, it should never cost you a challenge and it shouldn't cost you a timeout.   You should not be penalized for having assisted the officials in making the correct call. 

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2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I've always thought this was the case.  If you challenge successfully, it should never cost you a challenge and it shouldn't cost you a timeout.   You should not be penalized for having assisted the officials in making the correct call. 

And to say nothing of the additional advertising revenue your stoppage of play generates for the league!

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Coaches would use challenges as time-outs.

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It makes you only challenge significant calls.  I'm not sure the number, but it is VERY rare to ever get 2 challenges changed in your favor so I'm fine with this.

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6 hours ago, Bills2ref said:

If they were to do this, then they would have to go to one challenge a game. There is already way too much replay in the NFL, I am adamantly against having anymore. Hate the PI challenge rule and am glad the officials are basically nullifying it by never overturning anything. I’m far more in favor of reducing coaches challenges. I don’t think a successful one should get you anything at all. I believe it should be two challenges in a game, regardless of the outcome. To balance this out I would be willing to make everything reviewable though 

 

The only problem with this scenario is that it assumes the refs are getting the calls correct.  But they are uniformly bad across the league.  Coaches need some way to counteract how bad the refs are. 

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My rule would be as follows.  Each team gets one challenge per half.  Every successful challenge earns one more.  Your first failed challenge is your last challenge of the half.  If Al Riveron continues to refuse to overturn blown calls on pass interference, they might as well repeal the option to challenge pass interference.  If coaches know there is no overturn blown penalty calls and they only get one challenge, they'll just stop challenging them anyway.

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7 hours ago, Bills2ref said:

If they were to do this, then they would have to go to one challenge a game. There is already way too much replay in the NFL, I am adamantly against having anymore. Hate the PI challenge rule and am glad the officials are basically nullifying it by never overturning anything. I’m far more in favor of reducing coaches challenges. I don’t think a successful one should get you anything at all. I believe it should be two challenges in a game, regardless of the outcome. To balance this out I would be willing to make everything reviewable though 

They should go to the college rule. Where the booth just calls down the challenge and there can be as many reviews as are needed. 

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Yup i've been saying this for a while.  If the coach challenges all 3 and gets all 3 right, he should get infinite challenges until he's either out of timeouts or he loses a challenge

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1 minute ago, Watkins90 said:

They should go to the college rule. Where the booth just calls down the challenge and there can be as many reviews as are needed. 


The NFL wants the 1pm games over without overlap to the 4ish games, moving some games to 425 has mostly helped

 

another 10 minutes for triggered replay would upset this

 

it all evens out with bad calls,  fans who complain will never be happy

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, The Red King said:

I always wondered why successful challenges cost something.  You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful.  But even if you got all three right, that's all you get.  Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful.  I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team?  I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned?  Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. 🤔

 

I’ve always thought that too 

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1 minute ago, Dr. Football said:

I think the nfl is great just the way it is!!! And I love watching it every week!! 


it was best when I was 11

 

back in 1977

 

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7 hours ago, The Red King said:

I always wondered why successful challenges cost something.  You get two challenges, and a third if those two were successful.  But even if you got all three right, that's all you get.  Get the first wrong and the second is your last, even if it's successful.  I know people worry about slowing down the game, but if the refs screwed up a ruling shouldn't it be overturned without it somehow counting against the challenging team?  I mean, if the refs blow four big plays in a Bills' game, shouldn't they all be overturned?  Just wondering if it wouldn't be better to say a coach can continue to issue challenges until they fail two, or something like that. 🤔

 

 

Yeah, I've often thought that. 

 

The problem is that it could lead to too many challenges. Challenges can help correct mistakes, but they also lengthen games and can often themselves prove to be mistakes.

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7 hours ago, Geo in Pa said:

To have a head coach have to this with all he has to do during a game is insane. Why is it up to the coach to correct the incompetent refs? 

 

 

Because nobody corrects all the incompetent coaches and players. If fans could correct bad playcalls, poor game management and player mistakes, the games would go on for weeks. The refs do a damn good job, for human beings at ground level.

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8 hours ago, Bills2ref said:

If they were to do this, then they would have to go to one challenge a game. There is already way too much replay in the NFL, I am adamantly against having anymore. Hate the PI challenge rule and am glad the officials are basically nullifying it by never overturning anything. I’m far more in favor of reducing coaches challenges. I don’t think a successful one should get you anything at all. I believe it should be two challenges in a game, regardless of the outcome. To balance this out I would be willing to make everything reviewable though 

 

So you want "everything" to be reviewable except the PI which is now reviewable but turned into a joke by the officials and the NFL.

 

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