CodeMonkey Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Correct. We rather take the intentional grounding over the INT. That INT probably happened because of the earlier IG call. The real culprit is Allen trying to make plays out of nothing when plays are blown up. Instead of going down he back pedals 10-15 yards to try to make a play. Unless we can coach that out of him, the end result of those plays will be a throw away at best with the occasional miracle completion for a first down. Yeah that clearly seems to be the root cause of nearly all of his mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, TheProcess said: Easy to say with the benefit of knowing the outcome. I love Josh, but people would be killing him right now if it wasn’t for the final drive. People are going to kill him regardless. And it is easy to say because it’s true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, TheProcess said: Easy to say with the benefit of knowing the outcome. I love Josh, but people would be killing him right now if it wasn’t for the final drive. But that's the point. He engineered that final drive with both his arm and legs. HE OVERCAME HIS FAILURE. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Pass protection has been bad, but Allen needs to play smarter ball. Take off or throw it away, etc. How does a guy with his cannon not get the ball to the line of scrimmage btw? Just learn from the mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Well, the Patriots opponents, after today could be 0-9...what's your point? You think the Bills = Pats huh . Well then should be a great game next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: Nothing disingenuous about it. You think 3-0 against 0-9 teams is a sign of greatness it seems,. I do not. They don't need to beat NE, nor did I say they needed to. But playing against a quality opponent will show what they are more than beating bottom feeders. You don't agree, that's fine. 1. The Jets team we played was 100 times better than the team they have fielded the last two weeks. They are playing a third string QB. And haven't had CJ Mosley. 2. Bills haven't played Miami the only team in the league playing at a historically bad level. Patriots have. 3. Bengals are not as bad as their 0-3 record. They took Seattle down to the wire just as they did us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hsker4life Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: Nothing disingenuous about it. You think 3-0 against 0-9 teams is a sign of greatness it seems,. I do not. They don't need to beat NE, nor did I say they needed to. But playing against a quality opponent will show what they are more than beating bottom feeders. You don't agree, that's fine. You aren’t wrong in calling the teams we’ve beaten “bottom feeders”, but referring to the Pats as simply “a quality opponent” underscores them immensely. They are the defending champions, look like the best team in the league, and are led by arguably the greatest QB and the greatest HC of all-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Hsker4life said: You aren’t wrong in calling the teams we’ve beaten “bottom feeders”, but referring to the Pats as simply “a quality opponent” underscores them immensely. They are the defending champions, look like the best team in the league, and are led by arguably the greatest QB and the greatest HC of all-time. I agree. Which is why that game will be a good barometer for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 The O-line looked bad after Feliciano left with an injury. It was a huge difference. I heard he calls the oline plays. That might have something to do with Allen getting pressured so much in the second half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: But that's the point. He engineered that final drive with both his arm and legs. HE OVERCAME HIS FAILURE. Oh I agree. I’m on his side. I said let’s see how he responds in the game thread. But let’s not act like he would’ve been given the benefit of the doubt around here from some TBD’ers if he failed. People are just waiting in the shadows to say “I told ya so...accuracy...etc” as soon as they get an opportunity. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: But that's the point. He engineered that final drive with both his arm and legs. HE OVERCAME HIS FAILURE. He is a gamer for sure. I can't imagine anyone would think otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, TheProcess said: Oh I agree. I’m on his side. I said let’s see how he responds in the game thread. But let’s not act like he would’ve been given the benefit of the doubt around here from some TBD’ers if he failed. People are just waiting in the shadows to say “I told ya so...accuracy...etc” as soon as they get an opportunity. Dude, I know this. People here are stuck on their pre-draft evaluations and can't see what's in front of them. First it was completion %. Now that's over 60%, they move on to "buT MuH dUMb PlaYz!" It is what it is. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: Nah, really just one stupid play. Allen played well aside from the interception. Even the intentional grounding call was driven by good decision-making and would go uncalled nine times out of ten. That gets called 10 out of 10 times. There wasn't anyone in the area and he didn't even get it close to the line of scimmage. He keeps rolling into pressure after he either holds it too long or just abadons a clean pocket. I'm glad he can break free from tackles, but that won't always be the case. Very mixed game imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: What is the combined record of the teams NE has beaten? Patriots blow out the bad teams. Bills squeak by them. That's the difference. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: You think the Bills = Pats huh . Well then should be a great game next week I think the Bills are a good team and certainly capabable of beating the Patriots if they do not beat themselves. You think the Patriots are Gods. Perhaps you are on the wrong message board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, CodeMonkey said: He is a gamer for sure. I can't imagine anyone would think otherwise. That he is, but it doesn’t have to be one or the other. Look, I love the guy, and no one was celebrating harder than me over here at the result, but he can be a gamer and have some things we’d like to see cleaned up. It’s all part of the process, but he is doing a really good job overall. Been a fun ride so far for a change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: I think the Bills are a good team and certainly capabable of beating the Patriots if they do not beat themselves. You think the Patriots are Gods. Perhaps you are on the wrong message board? The Bills struggled to find any type of consistency against at least 2 of the worst defenses in football right now. Their half time adjustments have been very poor as well. Those are things that can not happen against the Pats. Both teams are 3-0 against bad opponents, but only one team has years of success to look to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I think the Bills are a good team and certainly capabable of beating the Patriots if they do not beat themselves. You think the Patriots are Gods. Perhaps you are on the wrong message board? Always hilarious when some think you need to be a 100% homer to be a fan of a team Any given sunday and all that. Particularly in a collision sport where one injury can completely change a game. Gods ... no. A particularly strong team at the moment, yes. Edited September 22, 2019 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Trogdor said: That gets called 10 out of 10 times. There wasn't anyone in the area and he didn't even get it close to the line of scimmage. He keeps rolling into pressure after he either holds it too long or just abadons a clean pocket. I'm glad he can break free from tackles, but that won't always be the case. Very mixed game imo. It's only because the ball didn't make it to the line of scrimmage. He could have thrown it away earlier but it was simply a case of the defender was on him and stopped the ball from going farther. It had nothing to do with a receiver in the area on that particular play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 it’s nice to have a team that you get the feeling of “we got this” when they walk out down by a few points in the 4th quarter, again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Trogdor said: The Bills struggled to find any type of consistency against at least 2 of the worst defenses in football right now. Their half time adjustments have been very poor as well. Those are things that can not happen against the Pats. Both teams are 3-0 against bad opponents, but only one team has years of success to look to. The past has nothing to do with this year. They are 3-0, actually a good team, and still learning. Enjoy and quit whining.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's only because the ball didn't make it to the line of scrimmage. He could have thrown it away earlier but it was simply a case of the defender was on him and stopped the ball from going farther. It had nothing to do with a receiver in the area on that particular play. That's a good point, but still a play that gets called. Thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipkid Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jerboski said: Allen is a gamer and has heart no doubt but the bonehead pick has to stop, he has made that mistake numerous times now and the intentional grounding cost us 3 points at least, all in all he still learning and a work in progress. I agree the OL in pass block was atrocious today Agreed on all counts but the three points—a 47/48 yarder into that wind isn’t a gimmee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 The O-line offered minimal protection. How many yards was he responsible after plays broker down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Correct. We rather take the intentional grounding over the INT. That INT probably happened because of the earlier IG call. The real culprit is Allen trying to make plays out of nothing when plays are blown up. Instead of going down he back pedals 10-15 yards to try to make a play. Unless we can coach that out of him, the end result of those plays will be a throw away at best with the occasional miracle completion for a first down. Right, because really good QBs never make bad decisions or throws when trying to make something out of nothing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: The past has nothing to do with this year. They are 3-0, actually a good team, and still learning. Enjoy and quit whining.... That might be true if NE changed coaches and QBs. I am enjoying the wins, but I'm not such a homer that I miss all of the weaknesses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: Always hilarious when some think you need to be a 100% homer to be a fan of a team Any given sunday and all that. Particularly in a game where one injury can completely change a game. Gods ... no. A particularly strong team at the moment, yes. That definitely describes the majority on this board. For whatever reason. Or at least the "vocal" ones. I think there are a lot more sensible fans here than we think. They just don't post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: The O-line offered minimal protection. How many yards was he responsible after plays broker down? At what point is it his fault? How many seconds do you think they have to give him for it to be a good blocking job? He seemed to have more than enough time on a lot of his plays today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Trogdor said: That might be true if NE changed coaches and QBs. I am enjoying the wins, but I'm not such a homer that I miss all of the weaknesses. I guarantee the weaknesses are not lost on the head coach. Which should only make the team better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: Nah, really just one stupid play. Allen played well aside from the interception. Even the intentional grounding call was driven by good decision-making and would go uncalled nine times out of ten. I think he had a fair amount of good and a fair amount of bad. The pick throw seemed less a reaction to the grounding play than to the awful decision he made to throw across his body while under duress to sweeney in the red zone in the first half. He got lucky and it was a catch, but that was a ball that should NEVER have been thrown. He’s a cocky player, which i like, but he’s gotta eliminate the stupid. One other issue: the next deep ball he completes will be his first of the season. He’s 0-4 or 0-5 on those throws this year, and he’s either missing by a fair amount or throwing into double coverage. Great final drive, of course. Edited September 22, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Patriots blow out the bad teams. Bills squeak by them. That's the difference. Bills haven't played the historically bad Dolphins or the Jets with their 3rd string QB. That could also be part of the difference too. Oh and maybe we aren't as good as the six time super bowl champion dynasty Patriots too which would be totally understandable in Josh Allen's second year and less than one full season starting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Trogdor said: That might be true if NE changed coaches and QBs. I am enjoying the wins, but I'm not such a homer that I miss all of the weaknesses. Nobody is overlooking their weaknesses. Some of us just prefer to not look for ONLY the weknesses... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 My definition of a franchise QB is that they can carry the team on their back when required and lead them to a win. I think that is the 3rd/4th comeback victory in 14 starts for Allen. He is not a finished product and can still explode but he continues to develop. Kinda the anti-EJ. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Nobody is overlooking their weaknesses. Some of us just prefer to not look for ONLY the weknesses... And some prefer to not look at ONLY the strengths. Simple as that really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: Always hilarious when some think you need to be a 100% homer to be a fan of a team Any given sunday and all that. Particularly in a collision sport where one injury can completely change a game. Gods ... no. A particularly strong team at the moment, yes. Always hilarious when you fall back on labeling people homers who fail to agree with you. Maybe you are just wrong. That's ok, you know. Everyboy is from time to time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Right, because really good QBs never make bad decisions or throws when trying to make something out of nothing... Why are you arguing with me? You are missing my point. I'm fine with those plays. Just pointing out that they are the culprit and we will have to live with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I would like him to diagnose the play faster and get the ball out. Also we haven’t really seen a lot of deep passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Patriots blow out the bad teams. Bills squeak by them. That's the difference. I agree. I don't think the Bills are in the same tier as New England. Yet. Just saying that "Well, look at who they've played" works both ways. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 40 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: He was clutch when he needed to be clutch. I will take that trait 100/100 times. Agree. He's learning how to win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: It's a pattern. He's being doing it since his days at Wyoming. I suspect you were a gloomy cuss in the womb. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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