Browns DE Chris Smith’s Lamborghini crashed on 90W this morning, after he reported a tire blew, girlfriend killed

[Rocket94]

6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

and how it cascades to the one left to pick up the pieces. Takes a hell of a lot of strength.

 

Oh yeah! 

[MJS]

Horrible. Yet another example (in an endless stream of examples) of why there should be no tolerance for drunk driving. Lock them up and throw away the key.

[bigK14094]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So if I got it, the tire blew, they got out of the car and were standing waiting for help, and another car struck and killed her?

 

Yikes.  Awful.

That is why you don't stand by the car.  Get 50 feet away from the highway....across the ditch if necessary, and watch what happens.  Don't be near the car.

Lambo....maybe north of 80?

[Don Otreply]

That is really sad news, heart goes out to him and her family, 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, bigK14094 said:

That is why you don't stand by the car.  Get 50 feet away from the highway....across the ditch if necessary, and watch what happens.  Don't be near the car.

 

Without knowing the locale, I’m not judging.

 

As general advice yours is sound,  but there are highways with no good place to go and others where getting away from your car gets you into another package of issues 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, bigK14094 said:

That is why you don't stand by the car.  Get 50 feet away from the highway....across the ditch if necessary, and watch what happens.  Don't be near the car.

Lambo....maybe north of 80?

 

 

Nope - you stay right in the car as long as the car is not on fire.  Wait for the emergency team to help slow down the traffic and get them to move over.

 

The instinct is to get out and check things out, but you are safest in the car surrounded by metal.

 

What a tragedy and you just hate to see this - my heart goes out to them.

[CowgirlsFan]

Incredibly sad..

 

Condolences to one and all.

[Bookie Man]

Terrible, heartbreaking. Prayers and condolences to the families involved. ❤️

[whatdrought]

9 hours ago, RU5781 said:

Oh man...just saw the woman who hit her was drinking. She blew a 0.08. 

 

Send her away. I know the guilt of living with this is a punishment in of itself, but she needs to be locked up for a long time. 

 

Why are so many people in our society so damn selfish? 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

11 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Browns DE Chris Smith’s Lamborghini crashed on 90W this morning, after he reported a tire blew. Police say Smith and his girlfriend, Petara Cordero, were standing in the berm when another car hit and killed Cordero.

 

Thats terrible, died for nothing. People need to pay attention when they're driving.

 

 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Thats terrible, died for nothing. People need to pay attention when they're driving.

 

 

Very tragic indeed, her family will never have peace for the rest of their lives because of such a selfish, senseless, and careless act.  

We need affordable driverless car, there are just far too many distracted/drunk/and just downright terrible drivers out there.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Very tragic indeed, her family will never have peace for the rest of their lives because of such a selfish, senseless, and careless act.  

We need affordable driverless car, there are just far too many distracted/drunk/and just downright terrible drivers out there.

 

i dont trust driverless cars either, i believe someone got hit and killed by one last year.  

 

a little off topic but what we really need is a full roll cage designed into cars so way less people die in car accidents.

 

 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

i dont trust driverless cars either, i believe someone got hit and killed by one last year.  

 

a little off topic but what we really need is a full roll cage designed into cars so way less people die in car accidents.

 

 

It's a catch 22, because of incidents like this I don't trust drivers either.  I get that the technology isn't perfect yet, but once it get's "close enough", hopefully it becomes a standard option so if somebody is drunk and makes the poor decision to drive, atleast hopefully they are smart enough to turn on auto pilot.  

 

[CSBill]

I'd bet $100 the driver was on their cell phone.

[Beast]

13 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Agreed. Title is poorly written and misleading.

 

This story sucks all the way around. Someone reported drivers BAC was .08. I remember a recent thread where several posters claim that having that BAC is harmless, with some claiming that they drive more safely when they have been drinking. Quit it. This stuff is senseless, selfish, and stupid. 

 

Condolences to the deceased and her family. 

 

Nobody said it was harmless. The argument was that texting and driving is just as, if not more,  dangerous.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[Sig1Hunter]

1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Nobody said it was harmless. The argument was that texting and driving is just as, if not more,  dangerous.

I wasn’t just referring to your weirdly worded “poll” where you strangely tried to minimize DUI by pitting  it against texting...

 

There have been other threads where posters chimed in and claimed DUI was not really a big deal. I can justify in my mind those responses as from someone who’s just plain ignorant. Yours? You claim to be/have been a cop...so, it was just weird. 

[teef]

1 hour ago, Sig1Hunter said:

I wasn’t just referring to your weirdly worded “poll” where you strangely tried to minimize DUI by pitting  it against texting...

 

There have been other threads where posters chimed in and claimed DUI was not really a big deal. I can justify in my mind those responses as from someone who’s just plain ignorant. Yours? You claim to be/have been a cop...so, it was just weird. 

do you really think that's what he was trying to do?  come on...

 

 

people just have to realize you can't be anywhere near the side of a road.  a lot of drivers  just aren't paying attention.  I knew a man who lost his grandson this way.  in this instance, the kids saw an accident, pulled over to help, and was hit by a distracted driver, (driver who didn't see him, etc).

Edited September 12, 2019 by teef

[Patrick Duffy]

19 minutes ago, teef said:

do you really think that's what he was trying to do?  come on...

 

 

people just have to realize you can't be anywhere near the side of a road.  a lot of drivers  just aren't paying attention.  I knew a man who lost his grandson this way.  in this instance, the kids saw an accident, pulled over to help, and was hit by a distracted driver, (driver who didn't see him, etc).

Agree. I lost my g/f in 2002 from this.She was baby sitting a couple of 6 or 7 yr old kids and they left their bikes close by the road, she went to go get them and an older couple basically just destroyed her. Something I'll never forget. So you never know when someone may not be paying attention, drunk, of just and older driver who probably has no business behind the wheel anymore.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[teef]

15 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Agree. I lost my g/f in 2002 from this.She was baby sitting a couple of 6 or 7 yr old kids and they left their bikes close by the road, she went to go get them and an older couple basically just destroyed her. Something I'll never forget. So you never know when someone may not be paying attention, drunk, of just and older driver who probably has no business behind the wheel anymore.

oh man duff.   that's tragic.  the elderly is something that needs to be dealt with as well, and this is someone who has parents that will turn 80 this year.  a couple of months ago my wife and i were driving down a main road, probably going 55-60.  there's a large office park on that road, and we had the green light.  well...we watched a gentleman who was well into his 80s drive towards the light a bit too fast.  this guy had no intention on slowing.  instead of stopping at his red light, he just turned in front of us full speed.  we could see the entire thing happening so we could avoid it, but i would have slammed right into his drivers side, and likely killed him considering how frail he was.  the guy had no business driving.  he wasn't texting, i can't imagine he had been drinking...he was just incapable.  

[Ramza86]

Yikes man...yikes....

[Captain Hindsight]

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[Sig1Hunter]

1 hour ago, teef said:

do you really think that's what he was trying to do?  come on...

 

 

people just have to realize you can't be anywhere near the side of a road.  a lot of drivers  just aren't paying attention.  I knew a man who lost his grandson this way.  in this instance, the kids saw an accident, pulled over to help, and was hit by a distracted driver, (driver who didn't see him, etc).

Yes, I do. And, his comments in the thread further proved that his goal was to further that narrative. 

 

Not interested in derailing the topic at hand though, so I will just say this (like I said in his thread): stop drinking and driving, stop texting and driving. They are both incredibly unsafe, selfish, and destructive behaviors. 

[teef]

11 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Yes, I do. And, his comments in the thread further proved that his goal was to further that narrative. 

 

Not interested in derailing the topic at hand though, so I will just say this (like I said in his thread): stop drinking and driving, stop texting and driving. They are both incredibly unsafe, selfish, and destructive behaviors. 

then you totally misconstrued what he was getting at.  i agree with the second comment though.

 

edit: i don't think you're derailing this thread at all.  it's a good conversation.  i think in the thread you referenced, the op was just trying to show how dangerous texting is, and how potentially it's more dangerous that drinking and driving.  now we all know that drinking and driving is bad, so let's not let anyone be outraged, but texting can be so much worse.  a least a couple of time a week i'm sure we all see people driving on the shoulder for a few seconds, or dangerously leaning into someone else's lane.  when you drive by what are they doing?   texting.  i'm willing to be we all encounter far more distracted drivers do to texting day to day than an actual drunk.  they are both bad, but texting is far more prevalent.  

Edited September 12, 2019 by teef

[GG]

3 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Yes, I do. And, his comments in the thread further proved that his goal was to further that narrative. 

 

Not interested in derailing the topic at hand though, so I will just say this (like I said in his thread): stop drinking and driving, stop texting and driving. They are both incredibly unsafe, selfish, and destructive behaviors. 

 

I don't know what thread you guys are referring to, but frequency should also be taken into account, and on that matter, the risks are much higher for texting drivers because that's a much more frequent phenomenon on the roads these days.

[teef]

6 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I don't know what thread you guys are referring to, but frequency should also be taken into account, and on that matter, the risks are much higher for texting drivers because that's a much more frequent phenomenon on the roads these days.

oh...GG beat me to it.

[GG]

1 minute ago, teef said:

oh...GG beat me to it.

 

Yup, don't know how many times I'm looking at a driver ahead of me thinking, boy that's waaay too early in the day to be this drunk.  Then I pass her  and see one hand on the wheel and eyes fully glued to the phone.

[dollars 2 donuts]

18 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-mourn-loss-of-petara-cordero-girlfriend-of-browns-de-chris-smith

 

 

"Smith and Cordero recently celebrated the birth of their daughter, Haven Harris Smith. Smith was excused from the Browns-Colts preseason game so that he was able to attend the birth."

 

Dear Goodness.

 

[teef]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Yup, don't know how many times I'm looking at a driver ahead of me thinking, boy that's waaay too early in the day to be this drunk.  Then I pass her  and see one hand on the wheel and eyes fully glued to the phone.

it's a least 2-3 times a week.  on occasion you'll see the same driver do it multiple times down the same stretch of road.  they realize they're all over the place, correct themselves, then go right back to texting.  

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, teef said:

do you really think that's what he was trying to do?  come on...

 

 

people just have to realize you can't be anywhere near the side of a road.  a lot of drivers  just aren't paying attention.  I knew a man who lost his grandson this way.  in this instance, the kids saw an accident, pulled over to help, and was hit by a distracted driver, (driver who didn't see him, etc).

 

 

This is not to take attention away from both subjects, drunk driving and texting, as they are both terribly dangerous.  However, throw on top of that those of us that know what it is like to drive on the 90 around Cleveland (went to school in Akron in the 90s)...man, it is dangerous even without any distractions...let alone being on the road itself outside of a car.

Edited September 12, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts

[teef]

11 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

This is not to take attention away from both subjects, drunk driving and texting, as they are both terribly dangerous.  However, throw on top of that those of us that know what it is like to drive on the 90 around Cleveland (went to school in Akron in the 90s)...man, it is dangerous even without any distractions...let alone being on the road itself outside of a car.

i feel the stretch of the 90 between rochester and syracuse is like that too.  it's insanity.  everyone is flying, and no one is leaving space between cars.  you'll be going 80 and someone is half a car length from your bumper.  you'll leave a bit of space of safety, and someone just cuts in to go one car ahead.  if one person make a mistake, there's always a big pile up.  we got caught in one in july when coming back from the thousand islands.  just sat in traffic for over an hour because of a multiple car pile up.

[Sig1Hunter]

55 minutes ago, teef said:

then you totally misconstrued what he was getting at.  i agree with the second comment though.

 

edit: i don't think you're derailing this thread at all.  it's a good conversation.  i think in the thread you referenced, the op was just trying to show how dangerous texting is, and how potentially it's more dangerous that drinking and driving.  now we all know that drinking and driving is bad, so let's not let anyone be outraged, but texting can be so much worse.  a least a couple of time a week i'm sure we all see people driving on the shoulder for a few seconds, or dangerously leaning into someone else's lane.  when you drive by what are they doing?   texting.  i'm willing to be we all encounter far more distracted drivers do to texting day to day than an actual drunk.  they are both bad, but texting is far more prevalent.  

I  agree that texting is more prevalent, and I agree that it causes a lot of crashes. Some fatal, most of the fender bender type that are inconveniences. My point is, and the supposed question posed in the poll, is which one is more likely to cause you to die. An impaired driver is more likely to cause death. Anecdotal evidence notwithstanding, the objective statistics prove this. Impaired drivers are often driving at higher speeds, with decreased inhibitions/increased risk taking, impaired decision making / judgement skills, impaired visual perceptions, etc etc. Medical studies have proven (and documented findings in medical journals) that significant physical and cognitive impairment exists at BACs of .05. This is my point. I’m an not arguing that texting and driving laws shouldn’t be more stringent and that they aren’t a scourge on the highways of the country.

[RememberTheRockpile]

 

 

 

 

Here is an account from local news source.

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The 47-year-old woman who struck Cordero at about 2 a.m. told Cleveland police officers she’d been drinking before the fatal crash, police said. Investigators are awaiting the results of toxicology tests to determine whether the woman’s blood-alcohol content was over the legal limit of 0.08 percent.

The woman had not been charged by Wednesday afternoon, police said. She was released from custody after receiving medical treatment at Fairview Hospital.

Smith and Cordero were heading west on I-90 near the West 140th Street exit ramp in his 2019 Lamborghini. Smith told police that a tire on his vehicle blew out, which caused the vehicle to veer left and strike the center median wall. Smith and Petara exited the vehicle and were standing on the north shoulder of I-90 West.

A short time later, the woman in a 2017 Mazda 3 approached the disabled Lamborghini. The Mazda veered to the right side of it, striking the open passenger side doors and then Cordero.

 

From this story we know the driver of the Mazda had been drinking but don't know if she was over the legal limit. Even if below the legal limit there is going to be some impairment of reaction time. Also worth noting is the accident occurred at 2:00 a.m. If the driver of the Mazda had been awake since 7:00 a.m. she would have been awake for 19 hours. There is plenty of research showing sleep deprivation can reduce reaction time as significantly as alcohol.

 

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After 17–19 hours without sleep, corresponding to 2230 and 0100, performance on some tests was equivalent or worse than that at a BAC of 0.05%. Response speeds were up to 50% slower for some tests and accuracy measures were significantly poorer than at this level of alcohol. After longer periods without sleep, performance reached levels equivalent to the maximum alcohol dose given to subjects (BAC of 0.1%).

 

From the article the Lamborghini hit the center median which would be south shoulder but Smith and Petara were standing on the north shoulder when she was hit. Sounds like the car ended up back toward the north shoulder. The only thing that makes sense to me is the car came to rest mostly in the right lane facing west. The driver of the Mazda to avoid hitting the Lamborghini swerved right attempting to go around it on the north shoulder. So why wouldn't the Mazda driver swerve left instead? Maybe there was already a car on her left or maybe she was behind another car that swerved left and slammed on the breaks. It's all speculation, we just don't know. 

[teef]

9 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

I  agree that texting is more prevalent, and I agree that it causes a lot of crashes. Some fatal, most of the fender bender type that are inconveniences. My point is, and the supposed question posed in the poll, is which one is more likely to cause you to die. An impaired driver is more likely to cause death. Anecdotal evidence notwithstanding, the objective statistics prove this. Impaired drivers are often driving at higher speeds, with decreased inhibitions/increased risk taking, impaired decision making / judgement skills, impaired visual perceptions, etc etc. Medical studies have proven (and documented findings in medical journals) that significant physical and cognitive impairment exists at BACs of .05. This is my point. I’m an not arguing that texting and driving laws shouldn’t be more stringent and that they aren’t a scourge on the highways of the country.

i hear with what your saying, but what's worse, an impaired driver, or a driver who isn't even looking at the road?  that's the problem with texting.  it starts as a few quick looks at the phone, and slowly it turns into texting full sentences, and people completely not having eyes on those around them.  they're both terrible, but i'd almost rather take my chances with someone impaired and trying to drive vs someone who's essentially driving blind.

 

i get it's a weird scenario to talk about, but i think his point was to show how texting can be just as, if not more dangerous than drinking and driving.

[Sig1Hunter]

20 minutes ago, teef said:

i hear with what your saying, but what's worse, an impaired driver, or a driver who isn't even looking at the road?  that's the problem with texting.  it starts as a few quick looks at the phone, and slowly it turns into texting full sentences, and people completely not having eyes on those around them.  they're both terrible, but i'd almost rather take my chances with someone impaired and trying to drive vs someone who's essentially driving blind.

 

i get it's a weird scenario to talk about, but i think his point was to show how texting can be just as, if not more dangerous than drinking and driving.

Again, I submit an impaired driver is more dangerous. But that’s my opinion. Ive personally investigated hundreds of fatal traffic crashes. The amount of those that were due to texting I can count on one hand. The amount that were the result of alcohol/drug impairment is probably 30x greater. On the flip side, I’ve investigated thousands of non fatal traffic crashes. It is more even with texting/distraction being a factor with alcohol being a factor (40/60ish) in these less traumatic impacts. But, again...that’s just my experience. This experience, along with training, has led me to formulate my opinion. 

[GG]

You guys are now arguing different things and are both correct.  Texting accidents are more frequent, but less severe.  DUI accidents are the inverse.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

sad deal.

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, teef said:

i feel the stretch of the 90 between rochester and syracuse is like that too.  it's insanity.  everyone is flying, and no one is leaving space between cars.  you'll be going 80 and someone is half a car length from your bumper.  you'll leave a bit of space of safety, and someone just cuts in to go one car ahead.  if one person make a mistake, there's always a big pile up.  we got caught in one in july when coming back from the thousand islands.  just sat in traffic for over an hour because of a multiple car pile up.

 

 

I don't get it, teef.  Seriously, I just don't.

Maybe I am just old and maybe just from being a parent, but life is just so damn precious.  it's ridiculous to lose any of us over avoidable situations.

[teef]

16 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Again, I submit an impaired driver is more dangerous. But that’s my opinion. Ive personally investigated hundreds of fatal traffic crashes. The amount of those that were due to texting I can count on one hand. The amount that were the result of alcohol/drug impairment is probably 30x greater. On the flip side, I’ve investigated thousands of non fatal traffic crashes. It is more even with texting/distraction being a factor with alcohol being a factor (40/60ish) in these less traumatic impacts. But, again...that’s just my experience. This experience, along with training, has led me to formulate my opinion. 

completely understand.

[teef]

17 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

I don't get it, teef.  Seriously, I just don't.

Maybe I am just old and maybe just from being a parent, but life is just so damn precious.  it's ridiculous to lose any of us over avoidable situations.

i think it's age and being a parent both.  i just don't take the stupid chances i once did.  it never got me there any faster, and i have far more to lose at this point.

[Fan in San Diego]

Wow, life can be brutal. Prayers for everyone involved there.