Returntoglory Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, DCofNC said: Umm, what part of $30M guaranteed money was voided and he gets $9M guaranteed says to you it didn't cost him a cent? If he gets hurt or the Pats decide they don't want to deal with his ***** anymore, it will hurt more, but right now he's got 20M in limbo. Money never had is money never lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..if I remember correctly, both Elway & Eli somewhat manipulated who they would play for............ Yes, they did, but they didn't do it by being tools and behaving badly to the team on the practice field 4 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: Money never had is money never lost. He's betting on himself that if he has another great year, someone will ante up and he'll get even more. Whereas in Oakland with Carr throwing to him, maybe not so much. Carr said he worked with AB more than anyone in the off-season, and it's possible that influenced AB's interest in playing for the Raiders - for the worse. Maybe AB could tell that Carr simply was not of the same quality of QB he's accustomed to? 11 minutes ago, Dopey said: Thanks for the explanation. I was thinking more along the line of "AB planned to do this in order to get where he wants", which I don't agree with. Thanks again. I think we'll be able to tell which explanation is correct by mid-season. If AB is a model citizen in NE and we never hear about him breaking team rules/he never acts out on SM, I will lean towards this was all planned. If he blows up, I will lean towards he can't help himself and NE "seized the day" to take a chance on adding a great WR 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Like someone else pointed out in another thread, if a star white player called a black GM the n word he would have been suspended by the league for at least a year. And as someone else replied to that comment, a white player, Riley Cooper, used the N word at a country music concert in a pretty derogatory fashion and then continued playing in the NFL for several years thereafter without any discipline. So there’s that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 It sets a precedent that will only work with the tip top elite players, anyone else who pulls this stunt is cut, will lose a ***** ton of $ and will be lucky to find another job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, they did, but they didn't do it by being tools and behaving badly to the team on the practice field He's betting on himself that if he has another great year, someone will ante up and he'll get even more. Whereas in Oakland with Carr throwing to him, maybe not so much. Carr said he worked with AB more than anyone in the off-season, and it's possible that influenced AB's interest in playing for the Raiders - for the worse. Maybe AB could tell that Carr simply was not of the same quality of QB he's accustomed to? I think we'll be able to tell which explanation is correct by mid-season. If AB is a model citizen in NE and we never hear about him breaking team rules/he never acts out on SM, I will lean towards this was all planned. If he blows up, I will lean towards he can't help himself and NE "seized the day" to take a chance on adding a great WR ...still shocked BB would pony up 9 Mil guaranteed (IF I read correctly)......this clown is one tick away from detonation...sure BB has tamed others, but a 9 mil roll of the dice?...at least when Richie returned here after the Miami fiasco, Overdorf crafted his deal as a "pay as you go on a per game basis".....screw up and he's gone with zero cap implications...be a good boy for all 16 and there are some lucrative incentives waiting for you...he did cash in.....BTW, think there will be a "Commish investigation" relative to personal conduct policy for threatening violence against Mayock?......throw in the "cracker comment" for good measure.....I'm guessing after Helmetgate, Rog does NOT have the red carpet rolled out.......2-4 game suspension would be.....NICE............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..if I remember correctly, both Elway & Eli somewhat manipulated who they would play for............ Yeah...but all they did was cry about it. They even brought their parents in to it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs0108 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 51 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..if I remember correctly, both Elway & Eli somewhat manipulated who they would play for............ So did Bo Jackson and Jim Kelly tried also... What’s your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Just now, bobs0108 said: So did Bo Jackson and Jim Kelly tried also... What’s your point. ...who the hell is trying to make a point Big Dawg?.....Jesus.......none have gone to the extent of AB though......SSWS....Soggy Sunday Wheaties Syndrome......SMH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, they did, but they didn't do it by being tools and behaving badly to the team on the practice field He's betting on himself that if he has another great year, someone will ante up and he'll get even more. Whereas in Oakland with Carr throwing to him, maybe not so much. Carr said he worked with AB more than anyone in the off-season, and it's possible that influenced AB's interest in playing for the Raiders - for the worse. Maybe AB could tell that Carr simply was not of the same quality of QB he's accustomed to? I think we'll be able to tell which explanation is correct by mid-season. If AB is a model citizen in NE and we never hear about him breaking team rules/he never acts out on SM, I will lean towards this was all planned. If he blows up, I will lean towards he can't help himself and NE "seized the day" to take a chance on adding a great WR He'd better adhere to the Coughlin rule: " if you're just on time to a meeting, you're late". He'd better get to meetings 1 hr early. I'd imagine if he's late 1 time for a meeting, he's gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) I bet Brown will behave in NE. He finally has his wish. The only thing that he loves as much as himself is being on a winning team. Belicheck is a master at micro managing players, and all Brown needs is a little positive reinforcement once in awhile. Edited September 8, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: AB carries himself like the president of the United States. This is the era of terrible people getting rewarded. Enjoy! I mean that’s the truth. You have to really good to do this. If Zay Jones keep doing stupid stuff after he tried to fight Jesus, he would have been out of the league. We have a reality tv host as President. This is America! He got cut by the Steelers. Is it though? You know much attention AB brought to the league? Stuff like this is good for business for leagues. The nfl, the richest and most demanding sport, has the worst contracts. If it gets to the NBA level where players gang up to form super teams I think fans will be unhappy. Particularly the smaller markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 13 hours ago, Doc said: The Raiders should have kept him on the team and told him to show up or be put on the "Did not report" list and let him twist in the wind. They were amazingly nice to him after he totally shafted them, even to the point of hurting themselves from a competitive standpoint as he's now on an opposing team. It was surprising to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: If it gets to the NBA level where players gang up to form super teams I think fans will be unhappy. Particularly the smaller markets. It’s much harder to do it in football but you are right. As entertaining as it is, it does kill the small market teams. at the same point, this is the same league that cuts you when you get hurt and doesn’t owe you anything. They need to something fast about the CBa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s much harder to do it in football but you are right. As entertaining as it is, it does kill the small market teams. at the same point, this is the same league that cuts you when you get hurt and doesn’t owe you anything. They need to something fast about the CBa. The next CBA negotiation is going to be something. I’m expecting a lost season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, Dopey said: He'd better adhere to the Coughlin rule: " if you're just on time to a meeting, you're late". He'd better get to meetings 1 hr early. I'd imagine if he's late 1 time for a meeting, he's gone. He will be there. Narcissists dont always believe that the rules apply to them, but he knows how to play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 If the Pats win the SB again, they should send a couple rings to Mayock and Gruden for being so stupid by just releasing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I bet Brown will behave in NE. He finally has his wish. The only thing that he loves as much as himself is being on a winning team. Belicheck is a master at micro managing players, and all Brown needs is a little positive reinforcement once in awhile. ...BB has tamed others.....and tried to tame others who did not comply and we sent packing......9 mil guaranteed?......being one tick away from FINAL detonation, here's to Pats choking on that number..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...BB has tamed others.....and tried to tame others who did not comply and we sent packing......9 mil guaranteed?......being one tick away from FINAL detonation, here's to Pats choking on that number..... I dont want to sound like a poor sport (do we use that phrase anymore?) I hope that he does screw up, but Brown likes to play games. He will probably behave for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanyills Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..if I remember correctly, both Elway & Eli somewhat manipulated who they would play for............ And there’s tons more. Randy Moss quit on the team and became a distraction. Carson Palmer refused to play for a team built to win now, thus tanking their window. Antonio Brown isn’t the first to manipulate the system. He just used a new means to do so. There will be more but I don’t think it’ll ever become common. AB looked really bad in all this and I think most players are generally cognizant of their public image not looking like a train wreck. Edited September 8, 2019 by eanyills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Would you have asked this question, if the bills got brown? answer NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, JinxedBill1 said: I think he did this to get released so he could be a free agent. Then when the pats called why not go get a ring? It’s not like I chalked up winning against them this year anyway. Advantage tho is no gronk. If gronk comes back it’s going to be another boring afc champion. You're assuming AB values the probability of getting a ring with New England this year (whatever that is, we know it's less than 1) over THIRTY NINE MILLION DOLLARS. I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I dont want to sound like a poor sport (do we use that phrase anymore?) I hope that he does screw up, but Brown likes to play games. He will probably behave for awhile. ...poor sport?...why?......he has sullied the sport......I'm an old school crustacean in year 57 of following the Bills and NFL.....and I admire those that RESPECT the game as well as those who have paved their way to megamillions today....Billy Shaw took time off from mixin' cement back in the 60's to play guard for the Bills at a whopping 18 grand a year.....enjoyed a post game beer and butt at his locker......and worked until age 66 mixin' cement for full SS benefits because his NFL pension was so lucrative (COUGH)....these are the stalwarts that paved the way for today's game financial absurdity....I do and will loathe the "gimme divas" forever.....this Allen kid is old school mindful, respectful and cognizant of those that have paved the way to today.....BEST quote was, "this is OUR team and OUR family".....he gets IT....you a poor sport?...NOT.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 When is the NFL gonna change its name to the NEFL? Also, Bill Cowher just said on the pre-game show that recording a phone call is illegal in California. Wonder if anything comes of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: You're assuming AB values the probability of getting a ring with New England this year (whatever that is, we know it's less than 1) over THIRTY NINE MILLION DOLLARS. I doubt it. I keep seeing that he lost anywhere from $21-$39 million. Assuming he will keep his head down and play well this year for the Pats, he is a FREE AGENT next season. He will get another contract and possibly ever more money on top of the $9-$15 mill he gets from the Pats. He didn't lose any money at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...poor sport?...why?......he has sullied the sport......I'm an old school crustacean in year 57 of following the Bills and NFL.....and I admire those that RESPECT the game as well as those who have paved their way to megamillions today....Billy Shaw took time off from mixin' cement back in the 60's to play guard for the Bills at a whopping 18 grand a year.....enjoyed a post game beer and butt at his locker......and worked until age 66 mixin' cement for full SS benefits because his NFL pension was so lucrative (COUGH)....these are the stalwarts that paved the way for today's game financial absurdity....I do and will loathe the "gimme divas" forever.....this Allen kid is old school mindful, respectful and cognizant of those that have paved the way to today.....BEST quote was, "this is OUR team and OUR family".....he gets IT....you a poor sport?...NOT.... Yes you are right. I got myself caught up in current trends and how many athletes approach the game today. It is definately more business like and sensationalized today. I have been a fan for 40+ years and I understand where you are coming from. Yes, Josh Allen's old school approach to the game is refreshing...there is still hope! Edited September 8, 2019 by Rocket94 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: You're assuming AB values the probability of getting a ring with New England this year (whatever that is, we know it's less than 1) over THIRTY NINE MILLION DOLLARS. I doubt it. Maybe you’re right. Maybe it’s just all about status to him. You know, he’s like an Instagram model. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said: Also, Bill Cowher just said on the pre-game show that recording a phone call is illegal in California. Wonder if anything comes of that. Two law firms get richer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 When I think of dangerous, I think of land mines and shrapnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 15 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Any player who gets traded for and does anything including being racist that he can to get out of the contract he just signed what’s to stop this from happening again? Cause we know once it was probably reported through back channels that the Pats wanted him he asked for his release right after his heartfelt team apology yesterday...potentially a CBA issue? It's no different than Elway, Manning or a host of other forced trade situations - just a lot more bizarre and less intellectually coherent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said: Maybe you’re right. Maybe it’s just all about status to him. You know, he’s like an Instagram model. Brown appears to be a real superficial character. Status and winning are very important to him. If he can hang with people that he perceives as winners, he will probably be on his best behavior. He also happens to be a very good football player. 8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: It's no different than Elway, Manning or a host of other forced trade situations - just a lot more bizarre and less intellectually coherent. Just a more circuitous route! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nitro Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Throw a tantrum and poor to get traded. Do not like the team traded to? Repeat process. Have agent contact the list of teams that you want to sign with ready. Precedent? Not sure others will go this route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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