billsfan1959 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: You forgot Kyle Orton He should be on a Wall of Shame for that 4th down slide.... 17 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: This is why nobody takes you seriously. In all fairness, that's not the only reason... Edited May 30, 2019 by billsfan1959 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 19 hours ago, Ben said: I'm kinda surprised Rueben Brown dosnt get mentioned more for this. He may be a little over rated but I think he made 8 pro bowls Memory is a funny thing... but I remember Brown as an overrated penalty machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: He should be on a Wall of Shame for that 4th down slide.... He did a great impersonation of a turtle under attack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 14 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Well, they have played 5 concerts at Rich/ RWS/ NEF . Not many bands can say that , so I’d have to agree they are worthy of the wall. Mick’s wisecrack during the 2015 show about staying in the “ Tom Brady suite “ at a local hotel with an under inflated pillow was hysterically on point. I never heard abut that, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 14 hours ago, uticaclub said: He was legitimately our best player for a few seasons What seasons were those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottaRun Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just because we have a wall doesn't mean someone has to go up on it. From that list I'd say Kyle Williams but it's too soon. Give it a few years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 ...anybody offer a guess as to why Butch has not made it?....think I remember the Ralph feuds with Saban and Cookie.......Saban did end up on the wall....but why the Butch snub??........ Records & Accomplishments: Byrd holds the Bills' career records for interceptions (40), interception return yards (666) and interceptions returned for touchdowns (5). He was a five-time American Football League All-Star, and was selected for the second team, All-Time All-AFL. Byrd is a 1980 inductee of the Boston University Hall of Fame, and in 2008 was selected to the Greater Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...anybody offer a guess as to why Butch has not made it?....think I remember the Ralph feuds with Saban and Cookie.......Saban did end up on the wall....but why the Butch snub??........ Records & Accomplishments: Byrd holds the Bills' career records for interceptions (40), interception return yards (666) and interceptions returned for touchdowns (5). He was a five-time American Football League All-Star, and was selected for the second team, All-Time All-AFL. Byrd is a 1980 inductee of the Boston University Hall of Fame, and in 2008 was selected to the Greater Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame. No idea why he has not made it. He is definitely deserving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Chris Kelsay ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, KRC said: No idea why he has not made it. He is definitely deserving. .....Saimes had similar stats and accomplishments and he made it............ In 1964, he had a career-high six interceptions and earned the first of his five American Football League All-Star Game appearances. He made The Sporting News All-AFL Team in 1964, 1965 and 1967. Former Pro Football writer and president of the Pro Football Writers Association, Larry Felser, calls Saimes "the finest open-field tackler in the league." He achieved All-American Football League honors five times, and is a member of the American Football League All-Time Team, the Buffalo Bills' Wall of Fame, and the Greater Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .....Saimes had similar stats and accomplishments and he made it............ In 1964, he had a career-high six interceptions and earned the first of his five American Football League All-Star Game appearances. He made The Sporting News All-AFL Team in 1964, 1965 and 1967. Former Pro Football writer and president of the Pro Football Writers Association, Larry Felser, calls Saimes "the finest open-field tackler in the league." He achieved All-American Football League honors five times, and is a member of the American Football League All-Time Team, the Buffalo Bills' Wall of Fame, and the Greater Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame. Saimes is another good choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 35 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: What seasons were those? 2005-2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 32 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...anybody offer a guess as to why Butch has not made it?....think I remember the Ralph feuds with Saban and Cookie.......Saban did end up on the wall....but why the Butch snub??........ Records & Accomplishments: Byrd holds the Bills' career records for interceptions (40), interception return yards (666) and interceptions returned for touchdowns (5). He was a five-time American Football League All-Star, and was selected for the second team, All-Time All-AFL. Byrd is a 1980 inductee of the Boston University Hall of Fame, and in 2008 was selected to the Greater Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame. Butch Byrd is on the AFL All Time Team - 2nd team status but hard to beat out Willie Brown; Butch not being on the wall is a poor reflection on the "process." 15 minutes ago, KRC said: Saimes is another good choice. George Saimes is the All AFL First Team Free Safety! Could not agree more! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Chris Kelsay ? You’re not helping...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, vorpma said: Butch Byrd is on the AFL All Time Team - 2nd team status but hard to beat out Willie Brown; Butch not being on the wall is a poor reflection on the "process." George Saimes is the All AFL First Team Free Safety! Could not agree more! ...interestingly they both had 7 year careers with Bflo (Saimes:1963-1969; Byrd: 1964-1970), so it's not length of service.....ironically they both finished their careers in Denver... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, uticaclub said: 2005-2008 So, you would rather have had Moorman than any of Fletcher, Crowell, Moulds, Evans, McGee, Clements, Milloy, Schobel and the list can be longer, in 2005? I won’t even get into the other years you mentioned because it is so silly. Can you imagine trading any of those players I just named for a punter like Moorman? ???? Edited May 30, 2019 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpsuit Jim Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I don’t know if anybody has mentioned this yet (and I’m too lazy to read the whole thread) but Reuben Brown made more ProBowls than Thurman, Reed, Kelly, and Simpson. Only Smith has made more ProBowls. But guards aren't sexy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Bobby Chandler#81 - my annual plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: You’re not helping...? ok then at least put his lunch pail on the wall..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 On 5/29/2019 at 6:31 PM, BillyWhiteShows said: Ryan Talbot and the crew at NY Upstate recently wrote an article ranking 10 ex Bills who deserve to be on The Wall Of Fame aka “the shield that guards the realm of men.” He is clear the list is only based on the on-field accomplishments. But you know how that goes. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/g66l-2019/05/ca1467fe036e4/whos-next-for-buffalo-bills-wall-of-fame-ranking-cornelius-bennett-kyle-williams-more.html To say the least - there are some interesting rankings. I feel that Aaron Shoebel is ranked too high and Fred Jackson and Kyle Williams are more deserving that Shoebel. I don’t really know enough about Butch Byrd. Eric Moulds and Reuben Brown are great choices The surprise to me is Cornelius Bennett ranked #1. For his on the field contributions, I would agree he should be ranked toward the top as next selection. But in 2019, I think Bennett would be a very tough sell given the fact that he pleaded guilty to misconduct over an incident that happened in downtown Buffalo. I think his selection would get a lot of backlash and that owner Kim Pegula would take a lot of heat. I’m not saying that I agree or disagree either way, but I don’t think it’s a likely move. If it was up to you, what former Bill would you place in the Wall? Would you bet 5k on a particular player or coach to make it this year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: So, you would rather have had Moorman than any of Fletcher, Crowell, Moulds, Evans, McGee, Clements, Milloy, Schobel and the list can be longer, in 2005? I won’t even get into the other years you mentioned because it is so silly. Can you imagine trading any of those players I just named for a punter like Moorman? ???? would we have won any more games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, uticaclub said: would we have won any more games? Boy, that’s a good comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Byrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 13 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...interestingly they both had 7 year careers with Bflo (Saimes:1963-1969; Byrd: 1964-1970), so it's not length of service.....ironically they both finished their careers in Denver... With Lou Saban if I am not mistaken! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Pancho 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Eric Moulds Cornelius Bennett 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 OJ Simpson On 5/29/2019 at 7:00 PM, 17years&waiting said: Can we get a couple of people taken off of the wall? You know, addition by subtraction? Remove Phil Hansen (I would also probably support removing Gilchrist and Lou Saban, as well) and I think you return the wall to more of a "Greatest contributors only". In no particular order, I think the following are deserving of being on the wall next: Butch Byrd, McKenzie, Moulds, R. Brown, K. Williams. Is that you Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) On 5/30/2019 at 5:00 PM, Binghamton Beast said: So, you would rather have had Moorman than any of Fletcher, Crowell, Moulds, Evans, McGee, Clements, Milloy, Schobel and the list can be longer, in 2005? I won’t even get into the other years you mentioned because it is so silly. Can you imagine trading any of those players I just named for a punter like Moorman? ???? Milloy does belong on the wall of fame. The Patriots wall of fame. Moulds is a yes but thats it. The other guys get a participation trophy. They either were not career guys here or go on the very good list. Clements grabbed the money and ran. Evans was a one trick pony. Schobel is close but no cigar. When I think of Fletcher I dont think Buffalo Bill. If he had one more contract here, I would say yes. Edited June 1, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Eric Moulds. Dude was the best WR we've had post Reed. He's a first ballot Hof'er with better QB play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Milloy does belong on the wall of fame. The Patriots wall of fame. Moulds is a yes but thats it. The other guys get a participation trophy. They either were not career guys here or go on the very good list. Clements grabbed the money and ran. Evans was a one trick pony. Schobel is close but no cigar. When I think of Fletcher I dont think Buffalo Bill. If he had one more contract here, I would say yes. So, you would have rather had Moorman than any of those guys I listed in 2005? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: So, you would have rather had Moorman than any of those guys I listed in 2005? Its hard to put a punter anywhere. Even if he was our best weapon for a time. Sad days. 4 hours ago, mob16151 said: Eric Moulds. Dude was the best WR we've had post Reed. He's a first ballot Hof'er with better QB play. Dude was better than Reed but didnt have the luxury of playing with a HOF QB for most of his career as you said. Edited June 1, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Maybe I'm just having a slow morning, but is there no mention of the Bills Wall of Fame(list of members) on their website? http://www.buffalobills.com Edited June 1, 2019 by LabattBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 6 hours ago, mob16151 said: Eric Moulds. Dude was the best WR we've had post Reed. He's a first ballot Hof'er with better QB play. ...have to disagree.....although he may not been in Blfo under the best circumstances, he burned every bridge he could on his way outta town....had his "publicist (WTF?)" state that "Eric is very upset his consecutive game catch streak was broken (nothing was thrown his way that game day)"....sounded like a "ME" guy on that day...my opinion and respect those that may differ.....why stay when a UFA if you're THAT unhappy??............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Byrd and Bennett (don't understand why Byrd isn't there already). McDole is an interesting case. I believe he belongs, as the strength of those 60's teams was the D ( the line, especially-- and only Sestak is there). He is also often mentioned on lists of best players not in the Pro FB HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...have to disagree.....although he may not been in Blfo under the best circumstances, he burned every bridge he could on his way outta town....had his "publicist (WTF?)" state that "Eric is very upset his consecutive game catch streak was broken (nothing was thrown his way that game day)"....sounded like a "ME" guy on that day...my opinion and respect those that may differ.....why stay when a UFA if you're THAT unhappy??............ That's fair,I'm just speaking from a talent and production viewpoint though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Lee Evans Terrence McGee Kyle Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Billy Buffalo ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) ..is Shane Conlan marginal?........... Conlan was selected as the No. 1 draft pick of the Buffalo Bills in the 1987 NFL Draft. After his rookie season, he was awarded the 1987 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. From 1988 to 1990, Conlan enjoyed three straight trips to the Pro Bowl. Conlan played with the Bills (1987–92), where he played in the first 3 of the Bills Super Bowl teams and the Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams (1993–95) before retiring from the NFL in 1995. Edited June 1, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 On 5/29/2019 at 3:31 PM, BillyWhiteShows said: Ryan Talbot and the crew at NY Upstate recently wrote an article ranking 10 ex Bills who deserve to be on The Wall Of Fame aka “the shield that guards the realm of men.” He is clear the list is only based on the on-field accomplishments. But you know how that goes. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/g66l-2019/05/ca1467fe036e4/whos-next-for-buffalo-bills-wall-of-fame-ranking-cornelius-bennett-kyle-williams-more.html To say the least - there are some interesting rankings. I feel that Aaron Shoebel is ranked too high and Fred Jackson and Kyle Williams are more deserving that Shoebel. I don’t really know enough about Butch Byrd. Eric Moulds and Reuben Brown are great choices The surprise to me is Cornelius Bennett ranked #1. For his on the field contributions, I would agree he should be ranked toward the top as next selection. But in 2019, I think Bennett would be a very tough sell given the fact that he pleaded guilty to misconduct over an incident that happened in downtown Buffalo. I think his selection would get a lot of backlash and that owner Kim Pegula would take a lot of heat. I’m not saying that I agree or disagree either way, but I don’t think it’s a likely move. If it was up to you, what former Bill would you place in the Wall? Cornelius Bennett or Butch Byrd and Howard Ballard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Another Fan said: Billy Buffalo ? Certainly belongs there. Skinned and fur tacked there to keep rain of other names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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