Robert Kraft Video Evidence Thrown Out by Judge

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Warcodered said:

The warrant was for prostitution its linked in the article along with the Judge's decision.

 

 

It was obtained on the premise that people were being held against their will after a health inspector tipped the cops of stuff she saw inside.

 

 

[Warcodered]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It was obtained on the premise that people were being held against their will after a health inspector tipped the cops of stuff she saw inside.

 

 

Is it somewhere in the warrant because I'm not seeing it.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

In other news, a local massage therapist has apparently won the state lottery....

[BillyWhiteShows]

1 minute ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

In other news, a local massage therapist has apparently won the state lottery....

 

Did she work in Niagara Falls, Canada in the late 1980’s?  I might know her.  Might.

Edited May 14, 2019 by BillyWhiteShows

[Augie]

59 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I say, "Good for him."

 

You were on tha same tape, weren’t you???    

 

 

It’s OK, we won’t judge. 

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Cause for celebration.  It is a great day for slave traders worldwide.  Thank God for technicalities, mistakes and limited resources.  Billionaires should have their needs fulfilled on a whim and maintain plausible deniability.

 

Look at it this way 4mer: now we know that owners can get away with breaking the law just like players can.  Even in the face of incontrovertible evidence (and not, say, needing to invent fantastic theories as to why a crime that didn't occur somehow still happened).

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Is it somewhere in the warrant because I'm not seeing it.

 

 

This is where the evidence gathering failed:  the order was "not sufficiently precise so as to minimize recordings not related to the crimes under investigation".

 

The court's ruling goes into greater detail as to how they failed at minimization.

 

      

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Look at it this way 4mer: now we know that owners can get away with breaking the law just like players can.  Even in the face of incontrovertible evidence (and not, say, needing to invent fantastic theories as to why a crime that didn't occur somehow still happened).

 

 

There you go doc!!  You always come around.

 

 

And "fantastic theories"?  Nah, just the same theories that everyone who commented on this case were telling you countless dozens of times....for weeks.

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, mikemac2001 said:

I don’t want to see the video idc anymore Everyone knows he did it and that’s the real damage 

 

But he’s gonna get out of all these charges

 

 

Yup and a lot of us dont care and I for one am glad it was thrown out.

50 minutes ago, JPP said:

LOL.....money talkes bull### walks......that was the plan from the getgo...thats why he decided to fight it.....Mastergate??  sorry mods...

They will give you a point.  They gave me a point for something a lot of people said.

[Gugny]

15 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

You were on tha same tape, weren’t you???    

 

 

It’s OK, we won’t judge. 

 

You ... ah so.

[4merper4mer]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Look at it this way 4mer: now we know that owners can get away with breaking the law just like players can.  Even in the face of incontrovertible evidence (and not, say, needing to invent fantastic theories as to why a crime that didn't occur somehow still happened).

This isn't really about Kraft.  He just made it famous.  I find it sad that people say "there was no slavery" because slavery can't be proven in a court of law.  Completely tossing logic aside in some weird absolution of a favorite footballs team's owner is pretty sad in its own right.  

 

I hope that that some day those women are free but sadly it probably won't happen.  This plight is not uncommon even in 2019 but it gets mocked in the interest  of rooting for the Patriots.  It is sad.

[Doc]

30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

There you go doc!!  You always come around.

 

And "fantastic theories"?  Nah, just the same theories that everyone who commented on this case were telling you countless dozens of times....for weeks.

 

Poor WEO, still lacking that insight I'm always talking about.  Because you see you're the only one who has come around.  All those years of female caning over players who try to fight their charges and lo and behold your hero Bobby Kraft gets caught and it's "well, this is what people do."  LOFL! 

 

 

18 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

This isn't really about Kraft.  He just made it famous.  I find it sad that people say "there was no slavery" because slavery can't be proven in a court of law.  Completely tossing logic aside in some weird absolution of a favorite footballs team's owner is pretty sad in its own right.  

 

I hope that that some day those women are free but sadly it probably won't happen.  This plight is not uncommon even in 2019 but it gets mocked in the interest  of rooting for the Patriots.  It is sad.

 

No it's not really about Kraft for me either.  I don't care about the pathetic charges he faced.  It was all about exposing hypocrisy, and the video tape.  Which I still hope gets released, "accidentally" of course.

 

But yes I see your point.  It's kind of like the pervert who has kiddie porn on his computer and claims innocence because he's not the one making/distributing it. 

[TheNorwoodStrangler]

I feel like this thread identifies who has and who has not been to a massage parlor.. 

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, TheNorwoodStrangler said:

I feel like this thread identifies who has and who has not been to a massage parlor.. 

Side note:. Going to one of those places even without a happy ending is cheating if you're married.  Also, so is the Sports clips etc. hot towel/shoulder massage.  

[Doc]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

Side note:. Going to one of those places even without a happy ending is cheating if you're married.  Also, so is the Sports clips etc. hot towel/shoulder massage.  

 

What if you go with your spouse?

[4merper4mer]

Just now, Doc said:

 

What if you go with your spouse?

You usually pay double for that action Cotton.

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Side note:. Going to one of those places even without a happy ending is cheating if you're married.  Also, so is the Sports clips etc. hot towel/shoulder massage.  

 

I got a hot towel massage just a few hours ago. My wife is pleased my hair is cleaned up before a family wedding in the Bahamas this weekend, and she didn’t have anything to do with the massage. She’d rather work. She approves. 

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, prissythecat said:

Does this mean Weo wins over Doc by KO lol?

 

 

 

That it’s now about weos love of kraft and not the case seems to indicate the official KO

[Doc]

26 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

You usually pay double for that action Cotton.

 

I do.  Because it's 2 massages.

 

7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

That it’s now about weos love of kraft and not the case seems to indicate the official KO

 

LOL!  When was it not about WEOs love of Kraft? 

 

[Mr. WEO]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Poor WEO, still lacking that insight I'm always talking about.  Because you see you're the only one who has come around.  All those years of female caning over players who try to fight their charges and lo and behold your hero Bobby Kraft gets caught and it's "well, this is what people do."  LOFL! 

 

 

 

No it's not really about Kraft for me either.  I don't care about the pathetic charges he faced.  It was all about exposing hypocrisy, and the video tape.  Which I still hope gets released, "accidentally" of course.

 

But yes I see your point.  It's kind of like the pervert who has kiddie porn on his computer and claims innocence because he's not the one making/distributing it. 

 

 

Poor, doc.  I tried so hard to prepare for this inevitable outcome.  But all you could say was "defending Kraft! defending Kraft!"

 

Kraft is no hero--I'v said that since the beginning.  You pretend otherwise, well...because you have to.  There is nothing else for you without that.

 

Oh, wait.  There will always be "Shady".   

[Doc]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

Poor, doc.  I tried so hard to prepare for this inevitable outcome.  But all you could say was "defending Kraft! defending Kraft!"

 

Kraft is no hero--I'v said that since the beginning.  You pretend otherwise, well...because you have to.  There is nothing else for you without that.

 

Oh, wait.  There will always be "Shady".   

 

I read what you say WEO.  It's the why I'm more interested in.  Again, insight.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I read what you say WEO.  It's the why I'm more interested in.  Again, insight.

 

 

It's something I can't give you doc.  And believe me, in a 90 plus thread I tried my best to make it simple for you.

 

Like I said...I tried to help you on this one...over and over.  But you wouldn't hear this loud train coming.   It was so easy, but your lack of insight blinded to you to what was inevitable. 

Edited May 14, 2019 by Mr. WEO

[Rocky Landing]

Most pressing question for this thread: How many pages are the mods going to let WEO, and Doc go at it this time???

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Most pressing question for this thread: How many pages are the mods going to let WEO, and Doc go at it this time???

 

 

They should be giving him a standing 8 count about  now

[Rob's House]

2 hours ago, daz28 said:

Pretty sure he engaged in illegal prostitution.  Also pretty sure it was recorded by camera surveillance.  Almost positive no one replying is an attorney.  Absolutely positive Kraft had sufficient funds to mount a great (il)legal defense.

Some of us don't really give ***** if some rich guy pays a willing participant for a tug. I find it odd that you do. I find it much more disturbing that there was a hidden police camera in that room. It's not surprising that it was suppressed. It's an unreasonable search.

Edited May 14, 2019 by Rob's House

[Formerly Allan in MD]

7 minutes ago, Estro said:

Good for him.  The whole bugging of the massage room is a blatant breach of privacy, IMO.  Then to drag his name through the whole trafficking mud when his circumstance had nothing to do with trafficking was an attempt to make the story a lot bigger than it was.  

Kraft was probably one of the few men who was indicted who had the money and legal advice to expose this case for what it was.......a whole lot of nothing.  

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[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

Some us don't really give ***** if some rich guy pays a willing participant for a tug. I find it odd that you do. I find it much more disturbing that there was a hidden police camera in that room. It's not surprising that it was suppressed. It's an unreasonable search.

The illegal video and "pretext" vehicle stops are going to spawn lawsuits from those who were taped. This was a gross overreach by the authorities. There will be additional repercussions for them and the taxpayers. 

 

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20190422/customers-videotaped-at-kraft-connected-spa-file-lawsuit

 

[metzelaars_lives]

This is an outrage! I REALLY wanted to see this video!!

[NoSaint]

57 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I read what you say WEO.  It's the why I'm more interested in.  Again, insight.

 

Could accuracy be the simplest answer? Like maybe he said the outcome was likely to be this simply because it was the  probable outcome?

 

real talk: have you ever conceded a point to him or is this as close as it gets?

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

This isn't really about Kraft.  He just made it famous.  I find it sad that people say "there was no slavery" because slavery can't be proven in a court of law.  Completely tossing logic aside in some weird absolution of a favorite footballs team's owner is pretty sad in its own right.  

 

I hope that that some day those women are free but sadly it probably won't happen.  This plight is not uncommon even in 2019 but it gets mocked in the interest  of rooting for the Patriots.  It is sad.

 

I don't mind seeing Kraft humiliated because he's a piece of sh-- and ***** the Pats*, but how exactly is prosecuting one particular john going to "free" these slaves?

[Putin]

4 hours ago, prissythecat said:

Video Evidenced Suppressed

 

Besides the video,   the bogus traffic stop used to identify Kraft was also thrown out

 

Bye bye Kraft charges?   Does this mean Weo wins over Doc by KO lol?

 

 

No it just means it’s Great to be rich ??

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

I do.  Because it's 2 massages.

 

Your wife gets her haircuts at Sports Clips?

[BuffaloBillies]

Probably taking it to small claims court.

Hey, it was cold in there, and he is 77.

[4merper4mer]

7 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

I don't mind seeing Kraft humiliated because he's a piece of sh-- and ***** the Pats*, but how exactly is prosecuting one particular john going to "free" these slaves?

I'm not saying it would.  My suspicion is that the police made a lot of mistakes but that their original case was about trafficking and that there probably was trafficking going on.  These women are very likely truly victims in ways none of us can imagine.  Pats fans on a Bills board getting gleeful that the case fell apart so they can brag on their team's owner is sad to me.

 

The police also may have naively thought that pent up losers like Kraft might have enough remorse to help by providing information/evidence once they learned of the women's plight.  

[Sherlock Holmes]

Son of a... well there goes my happy ending?

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I got a hot towel massage just a few hours ago. My wife is pleased my hair is cleaned up before a family wedding in the Bahamas this weekend, and she didn’t have anything to do with the massage. She’d rather work. She approves. 

I'm not judging.  People can have whatever relationship arrangements they want.  In that context cheating is probably the wrong word; just non-monogamous.  When the spouse is unaware.....cheating.

[KD in CA]

4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I'm not saying it would.  My suspicion is that the police made a lot of mistakes but that their original case was about trafficking and that there probably was trafficking going on.  These women are very likely truly victims in ways none of us can imagine.  Pats fans on a Bills board getting gleeful that the case fell apart so they can brag on their team's owner is sad to me.

 

The police also may have naively thought that pent up losers like Kraft might have enough remorse to help by providing information/evidence once they learned of the women's plight.  

 

Probably....but Kraft has nothing to do with trafficking.   People getting all invested in the case against Kraft smacks of the typical, meaningless "I'm doing something" gesture which is counter-productive to any efforts that might happening on behalf of those women who are victimized.

 

If we're worried about the women, what's the latest on the case against the owners of the brothel or the dudes who smuggled these girls into the country?

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, KD in CA said:

 

Probably....but Kraft has nothing to do with trafficking.   People getting all invested in the case against Kraft smacks of the typical, meaningless "I'm doing something" gesture which is counter-productive to any efforts that might happening on behalf of those women who are victimized.

 

If we're worried about the women, what's the latest on the case against the owners of the brothel or the dudes who smuggled these girls into the country?

The latest on that case is that none of the women speak English and that there were heavy indications that their families in China could be in danger if they talked.  They are probably living in another parlor as we speak.  But if WEO says no trafficking, there must be none. I'm sure there may have been better ways for the police to handle it in an ideal world like following the finances, etc.

 

I get what you're saying about Kraft and the others and although I'll admit I still find something very strange about multiple billionaires frequenting the same craphole, I don't really give a crap about his plight either way and certainly don't care about video release.  I find it sad that not one of these people stepped up in any way to help these women or acknowledge this real problem in the world once they "found out".  Sad.  Not surprising.  Maybe someday Harvey Weinstein will make a movie about it.

[stevestojan]

26 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

The latest on that case is that none of the women speak English and that there were heavy indications that their families in China could be in danger if they talked.  They are probably living in another parlor as we speak.  But if WEO says no trafficking, there must be none. I'm sure there may have been better ways for the police to handle it in an ideal world like following the finances, etc.

 

I get what you're saying about Kraft and the others and although I'll admit I still find something very strange about multiple billionaires frequenting the same craphole, I don't really give a crap about his plight either way and certainly don't care about video release.  I find it sad that not one of these people stepped up in any way to help these women or acknowledge this real problem in the world once they "found out".  Sad.  Not surprising.  Maybe someday Harvey Weinstein will make a movie about it.

“Prosecutors recently acknowledged in court that they have no evidence that any Orchids of Asia employee is a victim of sex trafficking.”

[KD in CA]

29 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

The latest on that case is that none of the women speak English and that there were heavy indications that their families in China could be in danger if they talked.  They are probably living in another parlor as we speak.  But if WEO says no trafficking, there must be none. I'm sure there may have been better ways for the police to handle it in an ideal world like following the finances, etc.

 

I get what you're saying about Kraft and the others and although I'll admit I still find something very strange about multiple billionaires frequenting the same craphole, I don't really give a crap about his plight either way and certainly don't care about video release.  I find it sad that not one of these people stepped up in any way to help these women or acknowledge this real problem in the world once they "found out".  Sad.  Not surprising.  Maybe someday Harvey Weinstein will make a movie about it.

 

So the whole investigation resulted in no ability to prosecute anyone who traffics women.   Great....so much for that.   Why continue to waste time and money chasing a john?  That's as stupid as chasing pot smokers for drug trafficking.

 

Multiple rich guys go there because it's Jupiter, FL and (until now) was an quick, anonymous place to get off.  Duh.   Being a rich, old man doesn't give them the ability to break up Chinese mob trafficking operations.

 

Stop arguing on behalf of the wrong and dumb just because WEO may not always be the most gracious poster.

 

[Prickly Pete]

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

How exactly were they supposed to distinguish between the two?

 

That's why they shouldn't being doing it...DUH