Brandon Beane WGR interviews 4/29

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 You disagree, fine.  But don't pretend you have more knowledge than they do over the process. 

 

I never claimed special knowledge. You're reading between lines, old man.

 

[BillsFan4]

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Keeps still image/screen shot of magnetic board. Helps for next year. Self-scouting. Tuesday they put up the magnetic board. Good reference point and try to learn for history. Miss on someone? Trends? Look back and Learn why guys make it. Exercise pre-draft - Ask scouts why each guy will fail. May slide to second for certain reasons.  5th / 6th ask scouts why will the guy make it?  Height/weight/skill - why will succeed? Small school/injuries/transfer? Eifert an example of a guy who was  a good pick at the time , but things happen, couldn’t have predicted.

 

Love that they self scout and try to improve their process every year. 

 

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The one thing that does not make sense there is Carolina trying to trade up for Ford. They drafted Greg Little right before us. 

 

He didn’t say anything about them trading up for ford. Just that they were both trying to trade up at the same time. 

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I never claimed special knowledge. You're reading between lines, old man.

 

Can I ask what you are claiming then?   They didn't see WRs worth the value; they didn't take them.  They signed three in free agency.  So you can't say they didn't address the position.  Just because they didn't do what you wanted them to doesn't mean they didn't address the position.

[TroutDog]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I’m struggling to remember the last Bills first round pick who made it to their second contract - Dareus?  And he gets an asterisk because they quickly dealt him.  Wood?

I believe your examples are correct. I attribute this to the turnover of the management and coaching staffs. 

 

Hopefully that is a thing of the past. It certainly feels as though it is.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Can I ask what you are claiming then?   They didn't see WRs worth the value; they didn't take them.  They signed three in free agency.  So you can't say they didn't address the position.  Just because they didn't do what you wanted them to doesn't mean they didn't address the position.

 

I'm claiming that they could have done better. Could have been in on ODB. Could have gone harder after AB. I'm comparing with what other teams have done for their rookie/young QBs, like the LAR, CHI, CLE.

Would you rather have ODB instead of Ed Oliver? I would. If you're telling me you'd rather have brown/beasley/foster than ODB and Landry I'm gonna have to question your knowledge, man.

 

 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I’m struggling to remember the last Bills first round pick who made it to their second contract - Dareus?  And he gets an asterisk because they quickly dealt him.  Wood?

McKelvin?

[cage]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

He did in free agency.  You don't just dial up #1 WRs in the mid rounds of the draft.  DK was the darling of many around here and he lasted until (edit) the end of the 2nd round*.  Ever think the GMs around the league know more than you?  Truth is even the league's worst GMs know more than just about everyone on this board.  

 

*-I originally said 3rd round-proof that the GMs know more than me too.  

 

Maybe not "dial up", but there's plenty there.  Who have been the biggest WRs in the league the past year?  Here are all the WRs who had 90+ catches last year:

Antonio Brown (R6), Michael Thomas (R3),  Adam Thielan (UDFA), JuJu Smith-Schuster (R3),  Stefon Diggs (R5), DeVante Adams (R2), Keenan Allen (R3), Tyreek Hill (R5)

 

While that's mixed in w/ Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins who were drafted in R1, the vast majority of the top stud WRs came later in the draft.  Its actually not even close

Edited April 29, 2019 by cage

[BillsFan17]

42 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You realize that means nothing, right?  How many GMs passed on Mahomes? Brady? Rodgers? Antonio Brown? I could go on.

 

 

So, if we get to cherry pick the successful ones, can we point out the amount that were passed on and never panned out?

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm claiming that they could have done better. Could have been in on ODB. Could have gone harder after AB. I'm comparing with what other teams have done for their rookie/young QBs, like the LAR, CHI, CLE.

Would you rather have ODB instead of Ed Oliver? I would. If you're telling me you'd rather have brown/beasley/foster than ODB and Landry I'm gonna have to question your knowledge, man.

 

 

ODB is a complete head case.  And if the reports are correct Brown did not want to come to Buffalo. 

 

The choice between Oliver and ODB is not a choice, one was a free agent and one was a draft pick.  Are you saying you would have traded a bunch of number one picks for ODB and ignored other things?  Not me.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

ODB is a complete head case.  And if the reports are correct Brown did not want to come to Buffalo. 

 

The choice between Oliver and ODB is not a choice, one was a free agent and one was a draft pick.  Are you saying you would have traded a bunch of number one picks for ODB and ignored other things?  Not me.

The cost for ODB (a proven weapon) was one first rounder and a third rounder. So it would have cost the Bills Ed Oliver and Singletary.

 

I'd take that deal 100/100 times.

 

[BillsFan17]

6 minutes ago, cage said:

 

Maybe not "dial up", but there's plenty there.  Who have been the biggest WRs in the league the past year?  Here are all the WRs who had 90+ catches last year:

Antonio Brown (R6), Michael Thomas (R3),  Adam Thielan (UDFA), JuJu Smith-Schuster (R3),  Stefon Diggs (R5), DeVante Adams (R2), Keenan Allen (R3), Tyreek Hill (R5)

 

While that's mixed in w/ Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins who were drafted in R1, the vast majority of the top stud WRs came later in the draft.  Its actually not even close

Ju-ju and Thomas were second rounders, get it right!!! Lol, all kidding aside, this is a very good post.

 

That being said, its important to also point out who the QBs were for those WRs you listed.

Edited April 29, 2019 by BillsFan17

[Nihilarian]

All I know is this GM, HC really seem like they know what they are doing vs the GMs, HCs of the past two decades. I can recall reading in post after post about how good Buddy Nix's, Doug Whaley's drafts were so great and how the teams resulting from those drafts had so much more talent then in the past. Now looking back, NO!

 

I don't get the need for that so called #1 WR. Considering... The Bills signed WR John Brown with 4.34 speed at 9 mill per who will compliment Robert Foster for the deep passes...in a 3 year deal. Just hazarding a guess here, but I tend to think that this signing alone is a big upgrade to the Bills WR corps. 

 

Then this GM signed WR Cole Beasley away from the Cowboys to fill the slot position like a Wes Welker, Julian Edleman filled for the Patriots. Beasley caught 74.7% of his passes last year which would put him in the LeSean McCoy percentile of receptions, only in the slot and not in the flat or backfield. 14 mill guaranteed tells me this FO wants to give this play a chance to shine in Buffalo's offense. 

 

The Bills also signed CFL receiver Duke Johnson, In two CFL seasons with the Edmonton Eskimos, the 25-year-old Williams has 2,294 yards on 135 catches with 15 touchdowns in 31 games. Last season, he led the league with 1,579 receiving yards and tied for the CFL lead in receiving touchdowns with 11. He also had 88 receptions, including 11 for more than 30 yards, on 152 targets.

 

Undrafted signings, Nick Easley, WR Iowa, David Sills,WR WV. 

 

After these signings I really don't see the need to draft a so called top WR in the 2019 Draft. Looking at how the NFL combine made DK Metcalf look so great and the guy scored in the bottom 3% of the past 25 years of 3 cone drill... and he is still looking for that last cone. 

 

I can't wait to see what this new WR group can do! 

[Lurker]

11 minutes ago, cage said:

 

Maybe not "dial up", but there's plenty there.  Who have been the biggest WRs in the league the past year?  Here are all the WRs who had 90+ catches last year:

Antonio Brown (R6), Michael Thomas (R3),  Adam Thielan (UDFA), JuJu Smith-Schuster (R3),  Stefon Diggs (R5), DeVante Adams (R2), Keenan Allen (R3), Tyreek Hill (R5)

 

While that's mixed in w/ Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins who were drafted in R1, the vast majority of the top stud WRs came later in the draft.  Its actually not even close

 

That's great--until you think about all the mid-round WRs drafted every year that don't pan out.   A whole lot more of the later than the former.   A whole lot.

 

People who only cite the hits and not the misses are what keep casino's going...

[cage]

5 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

That's great--until you think about all the mid-round WRs drafted every year that don't pan out.   A whole lot more of the later than the former.   A whole lot.

 

People who only cite the hits and not the misses are what keep casino's going...

 

Sure the hit rate goes down by the round, I'm not looking to cover over that point.  However, there are top WRs drafted later.  I guess if one wasn't near the top of their board that's the answer.  But Hakeem Butler and Kelvin Harmon weren't picked until much later in the draft.  Most mocks had a Late 1 to R3 grade on them.  Beane certainly knows better than me.  I was just challenging that good WRs can't be found later on...

Edited April 29, 2019 by cage

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The one thing that does not make sense there is Carolina trying to trade up for Ford. They drafted Greg Little right before us. 

CAR was thinking the same thing as Bills... run on OT starting. A bit of luck for the Bills that Panthers drafted little and not Ford. Saw a couple sites grading day two that said CAR should have taken Ford in that spot. Many had first round grade on the guy. 

[Seasons1992]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

 Such a huge upgrade from Whaley IMO.

 

I know Doug personally, but yes, all day on this when it comes to football decisions.

[IgotBILLStopay]

3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The one thing that does not make sense there is Carolina trying to trade up for Ford. They drafted Greg Little right before us. 

It came as a surprise to the Bills. But fortunately they went with a "different Tackle" (Little) rather than Ford. 

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/4/29/18522327/2019-nfl-draft-brandon-beane-says-cody-ford-will-begin-buffalo-bills-career-at-right-tackle

 

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“It was starting to get thin,” Beane said. “We honestly thought when Carolina traded right in front of us, tackle was one of their needs as well. They went with a tackle, they just wanted a different tackle. We felt fortunate to get Cody.”

 

[msw2112]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

The cost for ODB (a proven weapon) was one first rounder and a third rounder. So it would have cost the Bills Ed Oliver and Singletary.

 

I'd take that deal 100/100 times.

 

 

I understand the concept of going with proven vs. potential.  That said, the Bills just got out of salary cap jail, so taking on ODB's huge contract could have been an albatross.  Plus, he's not a fit for the Bills' culture (and apparently not for the Giants' either).  And how much success did the Giants have with him leading the way?  I said this in another post, but having huge star WRs had not proven to be the path to success in today's NFL.  Neither the Rams nor the Pats had a really big name WR leading the way.  Who was the Eagles' #1 WR last year?  How many Super Bowls have been won by teams featuring Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, OBJ, Dez Bryant, DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Brown, etc.  Julio Jones and the Falcons ALMOST got one, but have not been able to sustain that level of success.  I'm not trying to cherry pick, but these are some of the biggest names at WR in the NFL in recent years.  Let's hope that in a couple of years, looking back, you will say "Although I would have taken that deal 100/100 times in April of 2019, I wouldn't do it now!"

Edited April 29, 2019 by msw2112

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, msw2112 said:

 

I understand the concept of going with proven vs. potential.  That said, the Bills just got out of salary cap jail, so taking on ODB's huge contract could have been an albatross.  Plus, he's not a fit for the Bills' culture (and apparently not for the Giants' either).  And how much success did the Giants have with him leading the way?  I said this in another post, but having huge star WRs had not proven to be the path to success in today's NFL.  Neither the Rams nor the Pats had a really big name WR leading the way.  How many Super Bowls have been won by teams featuring Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, OBJ, Dez Bryant, DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Brown, etc.  Julio Jones and the Falcons ALMOST got one, but have not been able to sustain that level of success.  I'm not trying to cherry pick, but these are some of the biggest names at WR in the NFL in recent years.  Let's hope that in a couple of years, looking back, you will say "Although I would have taken that deal 100/100 times in April of 2019, I wouldn't do it now!"

Let's hope.

 

[Wo-Bah]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

CAR was thinking the same thing as Bills... run on OT starting. A bit of luck for the Bills that Panthers drafted little and not Ford. Saw a couple sites grading day two that said CAR should have taken Ford in that spot. Many had first round grade on the guy. 

 

I am beginning to think we absolutely lucked into getting Ford and are going to be very happy that we did.  This kid easily could have went in the first round.

[IgotBILLStopay]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

CAR was thinking the same thing as Bills... run on OT starting. A bit of luck for the Bills that Panthers drafted little and not Ford. Saw a couple sites grading day two that said CAR should have taken Ford in that spot. Many had first round grade on the guy. 

 

Greg Little played LT exclusively I think whereas Ford played RT. Just different needs for Carolina and us - which helped.

[YoloinOhio]

Beane will be on again at 1pm One Bills Live 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm a trade-up guy for the most part. I prefer quality to quantity, ergo my issues with the WR corps

 

 

Well the quality just wasn't there in this draft. At receiver this was a quantity draft. It was deep. There were guys in the 5th and 6th round and even as UDFAs who are not that far from he guys being drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round.

23 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

 

Greg Little played LT exclusively I think whereas Ford played RT. Just different needs for Carolina and us - which helped.

 

That's exactly what it was.

[MDH]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

That is due to media draft analyst who put out big boards, which accumulate all players regardless of scheme fit. Each team has their own board and it is based on that among other factors, and each is different. Fans see the first thing and never the second. They think “BPA” is based on what they know as fans. 

 

It's funny how fans take the "experts" boards as gospel. Like you say, each team is different.

 

Also, the entire league doesn't draft a guy until round 3 but if some sites had a round 1 grade on him suddenly he's a "steal." If the opposite happened and the GMs were the media and had a round 3 grade on the guy and the media guys were GMs and drafted him in the 1st he'd suddenly be a "reach." Somehow, whatever info they get first is the truth.

[msw2112]

Nobody really has any idea on how draft picks will work out until they step on the field.  Some franchises seem to have a better track record of success (Ravens & Steelers, for example), but that could be as much due to solid organizational continuity and good coaching as much as anything.  Even though they may really mean much, I'd still rather be hearing positive comments about the Bills' draft than negative ones, so I am pleased with what the pundits are saying about the Bills right now.

[Albany,n.y.]

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Beane will be on again at 1pm One Bills Live 

He's on right now with Murphy & Tasker. 

[Franco_92]

3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Yeah, we'll see how things pan out. Would rather they had taken a shot at trading back up into the second for Metcalf than having taken an undersized and slow RB. But whatever, it is what it is at this point, planning on a whole lot of 17-14 this year.

 

None of your extensive number of posts on this topic have been remotely compelling

Edited April 29, 2019 by arcane

[SCBills]

I feel like this staff viewed Duke Williams as equivalent to any mid-round pick that was available.  The top 4 are set, with Roberts as KR/PR, which means anyone they draft would have to be capable of beating out Duke for that final spot.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, arcane said:

None of your extensive number of posts on this topic have been remotely compelling

 

And yet, here you are responding to one.

 

Interesting.

 

[IgotBILLStopay]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I feel like this staff viewed Duke Williams as equivalent to any mid-round pick that was available.  The top 4 are set, with Roberts as KR/PR, which means anyone they draft would have to be capable of beating out Duke for that final spot.

This.

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/29/remember-duke-williams-after-buffalo-bills-dont-add-wr-2019-nfl-draft-brandon-beane-sean-mcdermott/

 

Much has been made of how we have a bunch of No. 2s and No. 3s but no No. 1. Among all the receivers we have, Duke is the one with the tools to be a No. 1. He is big, can run fast, get separation, has good hands, has a large catch radius and always high points the ball. It might be a bit of a stretch to call him a potential No. 1 when he is, at best, #5 on the depth chart right now - but damn am I excited to see what he brings to the table. 

[GimmeSomeProcess]

Like I’ve been saying when it’s all said and done Nysecki will be at LG and Dawkins at guard. I think Dawkins can be a serviceable LT and so can Nysecki. However, I think Dawkins can be a probowl guard 

[billspro]

4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Nice he knows WR is in a lousy spot. Too bad he didn't act on it.

 

 

 

To be fair I would rather have Cody Ford than any of the WRs. The top talent was all gone in round 3, none of those prospects would have cracked our top 4. I’m sure it will be high on the list next draft.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, billspro said:

 

To be fair I would rather have Cody Ford than any of the WRs. The top talent was all gone in round 3, none of those prospects would have cracked our top 4. I’m sure it will be high on the list next draft.

 

Let's hope so, because I'm REALLY uncomfortable with the WR/TE positions on this team.

 

Honestly, not sure how anyone isn't but it appears I'm in a radical minority in that regard.

 

[billspro]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

All I know is this GM, HC really seem like they know what they are doing vs the GMs, HCs of the past two decades. I can recall reading in post after post about how good Buddy Nix's, Doug Whaley's drafts were so great and how the teams resulting from those drafts had so much more talent then in the past. Now looking back, NO!

 

I don't get the need for that so called #1 WR. Considering... The Bills signed WR John Brown with 4.34 speed at 9 mill per who will compliment Robert Foster for the deep passes...in a 3 year deal. Just hazarding a guess here, but I tend to think that this signing alone is a big upgrade to the Bills WR corps. 

 

Then this GM signed WR Cole Beasley away from the Cowboys to fill the slot position like a Wes Welker, Julian Edleman filled for the Patriots. Beasley caught 74.7% of his passes last year which would put him in the LeSean McCoy percentile of receptions, only in the slot and not in the flat or backfield. 14 mill guaranteed tells me this FO wants to give this play a chance to shine in Buffalo's offense. 

 

The Bills also signed CFL receiver Duke Johnson, In two CFL seasons with the Edmonton Eskimos, the 25-year-old Williams has 2,294 yards on 135 catches with 15 touchdowns in 31 games. Last season, he led the league with 1,579 receiving yards and tied for the CFL lead in receiving touchdowns with 11. He also had 88 receptions, including 11 for more than 30 yards, on 152 targets.

 

Undrafted signings, Nick Easley, WR Iowa, David Sills,WR WV. 

 

After these signings I really don't see the need to draft a so called top WR in the 2019 Draft. Looking at how the NFL combine made DK Metcalf look so great and the guy scored in the bottom 3% of the past 25 years of 3 cone drill... and he is still looking for that last cone. 

 

I can't wait to see what this new WR group can do! 

 

I think they will come up with a solid WR core. It will be a WR by committee, but there are lots of successful teams with that approach. The battle for the fifth WR spot is going to be very tough, I’m excited to see how that plays out in camp.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

What was his 40 time? I think I saw 4.66? Leveon Bell ran a 4.6. but has outstanding vision which allowed him to be a technician at RB taking advantage of his blocking. Singletary’s biggest strength is also his vision. 

 

my only question with Singletary is can he replicate his ability to make people miss against better talent?  I'm excited to find out.  If so, that's a huge steal.  If not, not a "wasted" pick given the depth at that position.  Good pick, IMO.  

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Beane will be on again at 1pm One Bills Live 

Another good interview. Some of the same things from this morning, some additional info. I gleaned that they must have had a late 2nd or later grade on metcalf. He indicated that each time their pick came up, there wasn’t a WR close enough on their board that warranted reaching. Earlier today, he was asked what kind of gap in value constitutes a “reach” - and he had said if they have one player graded at the top of the round available ( or in Ford’s case, graded at the previous round) and another (ie WR) graded toward the bottom of that round. 

Edited April 29, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[billspro]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Let's hope so, because I'm REALLY uncomfortable with the WR/TE positions on this team.

 

Honestly, not sure how anyone isn't but it appears I'm in a radical minority in that regard.

 

 

I think the TE position will be fine, but I am also very high on Dawson Knox. He has great size, good hands, and off the charts athletic ability. He is still fairly new at the position because he used to play QB but I would not be surprised if he was the steal of the third round. Kroft is a decent all around TE, Croom is a decent WR, and we should have one of the best blocking TEs in the league with Fisher. Sweeney is a great blocker as well and will be on the PS. The TE position will be a bit of a committee until Knox is developed into our TE1.

That will probably not be until year 2 or 3.

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Another good interview. Some of the same things from this morning, some additional info. I gleaned that they must have had a late 2nd or later grade on metcalf. He indicated that each time their pick came up, there wasn’t a WR close enough on their board that warranted reaching. Earlier today, he was asked what kind of gap in value constitutes a “reach” - he said if they have one player grader at the top of the round available ( or in Ford’s case, graded at the previous round) and another (is WR) graded toward the bottom of that round. 

Based on Beane's comments, he also had Ford graded higher than Harry.  As he was trying to get back into the first to get him, and Harry was on the board until the last pick of the round.

[billspro]

8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

my only question with Singletary is can he replicate his ability to make people miss against better talent?  I'm excited to find out.  If so, that's a huge steal.  If not, not a "wasted" pick given the depth at that position.  Good pick, IMO.  

 

I have been watching a lot of him the last few days. His vision and balance is outstanding. That can carry you for a long time in the NFL (see Fred Jackson).

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Would be cool to see their board for next year.