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If I could start a gameday at Flying Bison or Pearl Street and then walk to the Casino after the game I'd be pretty happy.

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3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He doesn’t want one.  But I think it’s going to come down to that study. Looking at similar cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland - no dome. Indy and Detroit do have one. I would go with retractable. 

 

All comes down to if they want it to be year round for other events during the "gray season", if it is to be truly football only - no dome for me...

 

When I was younger, the weather never bothered me - now it does a bit, but not enough to say I would be in favor of a dome - it makes the game too sterile IMO, elements are part of the game. I know some can and will point to low attendance in late November and December games in the last 20 some odd years, but that is a simply a function of having a $hitty team that is out of or has no chance of the playoffs, build a winner and the fans will come. 

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I think the dome becomes a negotiating point between Pegula and the government. Retractable dome probably doubles the cost.  Pegula says we don’t need dome for football.  Government pays  for if it wants it to hold non-football events.  

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7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He doesn’t want one.  But I think it’s going to come down to that study. Looking at similar cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland - no dome. Indy and Detroit do have one. I would go with retractable. 

 

I agree.  I'd be really surprised if Terry or Kim wanted a dome.  I don't think they go with a retractable roof though - it adds significantly to the cost of the facility and it's very expensive to maintain.

 

Out here, the Mariners asked for well north of $150 million from King County for stadium maintenance, a major chunk of which was tagged for repairs to Safeco's (now T-Mobile Park's) retractable roof.  I'm sure the technology has improved over the last 20 years, but it's still a major long-term expense.  The Bills would be better off installing those overhead heaters they have in the club areas in more places around the stadium if they're concerned about December temperatures.

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1 hour ago, Forward Progress said:

Please don't move the stadium downtown!! 

 

I have been to plenty of stadiums across the league and downtown stadiums have the worst tailgating.  St.Louis was the worst that I have been to.  The only thing going on outside of the stadium were street vendors peddling their souvenirs.

 

 

reality is they don't want tailgating. They want people in the local bars and restaurants and then inside the stadium spending money. 

 

I agree tailgating is the shiz nitz.... but if public money is to be used then return on investment is a must and you will not get that same level of ROI in a suburban stadium. Where as a downtown stadium will prop up more localized businesses.

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

How does it work with naming rights? Would New Era have to bid on it and how much does the corporate sponsor typically contribute to the overall cost? 

I thought that New Era has first right of refusal on naming rights at a new stadium as part of their deal? I could be wrong on that. 

 

In terms of spend it will depend on how long the naming rights deal is. If we use Lucas Oil as the Comp their original deal was for 20 years at $122M. Now they host other events there but that deal is also a decade old or so. Hard Rock paid $250M for 18 years in Miami (but again lots of big name events). I would think that the Bills could get $150M over 20 years (or something like that). 

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46 minutes ago, wagon127 said:

Have you ever tried parking by the baseball field? There's next to no traffic after games. Its a little bit longer of a walk, but you get home a lot faster. That won't help you leaving a 70,000 seat football game, but for the arena it would.

 

I used to park there primarily, but now, for some reason, as of about 2 years ago, my entry downtown on the Seneca Street exit is gummed up and backed up to the 190, so I have to get to the Louisiana St exit to head up Perry St and too much traffic to get back to Pilot Field without risking being late.  

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Building a downtown fixed roof stadium is a no brainer.  The vast majority(especially those who take clients to games or people with a lot of disposable income) don't want to sit in the ***** weather of November and December where you can get anything from 40 and rain to raging snowstorms and single digit temps.

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14 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

I used to park there primarily, but now, for some reason, as of about 2 years ago, my entry downtown on the Seneca Street exit is gummed up and backed up to the 190, so I have to get to the Louisiana St exit to head up Perry St and too much traffic to get back to Pilot Field without risking being late.  

Yeah, Seneca st is all backed up, but Swan street is completely clear. Get off there! It goes to the exact same place.

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I have a feeling that the organization will do its best to ensure there are enough places to tailgate. I do think they want to curb the dangerous stuff though.

I can see them getting rid of private lots with a move downtown. Police their lots heavily to curb the crazy stuff. 

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1 hour ago, LeviF91 said:

We might as well accept it now.  Tailgating is dead/dying across the NFL.  And that's by design. 

 

The NFL probably wants a lot less drunk fans jumping through burning tables and throwing *****'s on the field.  When I went to Bills games it was to watch football, not worry about getting drunk and acting like a frat boy.  I think a downtown stadium + PSL's will lead things towards a more positive direction it terms of the quality of the NFL gameday experience.   

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

He doesn’t want one.  But I think it’s going to come down to that study. Looking at similar cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland - no dome. Indy and Detroit do have one. I would go with retractable. 

I was in indy this year. I wasn't sure how I would feel about it until I got in there..... I hated it. it was a beautiful, brisk, sunny day in the low to mid 40's on the walk up the stadium and then you lose it all as you walk into the controlled climate. I was actually surprised how much I didn't like it. and my wife, who cant stand the cold, wasn't all that impressed either. 

 

being inside just didn't real right. didn't feel like a gameday.

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So Bills fans will be jumping off buildings onto tables instead of off cars. What’s the big deal?

 

I’d like the stadium downtown. It can only help its renaissance. And agree with Kirby. 

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

He doesn’t want one.  But I think it’s going to come down to that study. Looking at similar cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland - no dome. Indy and Detroit do have one. I would go with retractable. 

Retractable would make the most sense and would favor everyone.  It would also be able to be used for purposes other than football if it was.

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I do not want the stadium to ever move! Why spend a billion dollars on something that is going to be used 12 times a year for football?

 

if it does move down town it would be amazing to knock down the projects next to canal side and the skyway, have a glass wall like Minnesota and have the naval ships in view. That is what I would call a success. If moved!

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I would assume clearing land, clearing buildings, and access in and out would be part of the proposal. Just for parking alone they would need probably over 300 acres. I can see seating capacity around 65k. Cardinals stadium seats 63k. I went to Garth Brooks there this past weekend...70k people. Sat in the parking lot for over an hour before we could even get out of our parking spot and there is a freeway right next to the stadium with multiple access points. Going to Bills games now is fairly easy to get in and out of. Dont expect the same if they put the stadium anywhere close to downtown. 

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Dome would be best to keep cost down ( rather than retractable) and so that it can be multi use

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14 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I was in indy this year. I wasn't sure how I would feel about it until I got in there..... I hated it. it was a beautiful, brisk, sunny day in the low to mid 40's on the walk up the stadium and then you lose it all as you walk into the controlled climate. I was actually surprised how much I didn't like it. and my wife, who cant stand the cold, wasn't all that impressed either. 

 

being inside just didn't real right. didn't feel like a gameday.

An indoor stadium would be the best for the Bills. You would get a lot more people coming out to december games. 

 

From reading this thread and others it seems its an older fan base that posts here. A lot of you hate change. 

 

A downtown domed stadium would be great IMO. With all the bars and restaurants downtown now who needs tailgating. They have better beer at the bars over the Blue and Genny that most seem to love. 

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

He doesn’t want one.  But I think it’s going to come down to that study. Looking at similar cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland - no dome. Indy and Detroit do have one. I would go with retractable. 

 

A retractable roof is the right answer for our area.  The problem is the additional cost.  I'm not sure of the exact number, but I am guessing you're looking at a couple hundred million more for that feature.  I am a firm believer that this facility should be a year-round entertainment complex that can be used more than 8-15 dates a year.  So, some sort of roof is necessary for that.  I know personally that as I get older, the prospect of going to sit in the snow and cold isn't as easy to do as it used to be.  The owner may say he doesn't want a dome, but he's also sitting in a beautiful heated owner's box and not outside in the cold and snow.  But, on the other hand, nothing beats being in an open air stadium on a beautiful fall day.  So yeah, a retractable roof is the right option and I hope that's what they settle on.

 

Also, part of me wants some sort of roof on the place just to get rid of the stupid excuse of the weather being a reason to be a ground and pound team and a reason to not step into this new NFL that requires a top passing game.  And honestly, it may help get certain free agents here as well that don't want to play in the snow and cold, even though that is usually only for 1-2 games, at most, per year.  It could take away a lot of preconceived notions about the city and team from those that aren't from around here.

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6 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

It's become less of a working man's sport and more of a yuppie executive's.

 

 

This^ The constant “yuppification” of everything has really taken the fun out of many things. When people think of tailgating, they tend to think of all the stupid antics. There is plenty of that, but I choose to think about the good parts. It’s so enjoyable to spend Sunday morning sitting around grilling and beer drinking. I have no desire to sit in a crowded restaurant drinking over priced beer while eating an overpriced cheeseburger. Nothing against restaurants, there are perfect moments to visit them, but I’d prefer to grill my food and drink my beer on game day. It’s a huge part of the experience that I’d miss. I can hang out in a bar or restaurant any day of the week if I choose to do so. Sadly, the game is becoming geared towards the wine and cheese crowd. The idea of grilling outside on a Sunday morning is likely beneath the image the league wants these days. 

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A stadium with a roof (not enclosed) a little inland/off the lake downtown would be much easier than fully open in orchard park.

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7 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

This^ The constant “yuppifcation” of everything has really taken the fun out of many things. When people think of tailgating, they tend to think of all the stupid antics. There is plenty of that, but I choose to think about the good parts. It’s so enjoyable to spend Sunday morning sitting around grilling and beer drinking. I have no desire to sit in a crowded restaurant drinking over priced beer while eating an overpriced cheeseburger. Nothing against restaurants, there are perfect moments to visit them, but I’d prefer to grill my food and drink my beer on game day. It’s a huge part of the experience that I’d miss. I can hang out in a bar or restaurant any day of the week if I choose to do so. Sadly, the game is becoming geared towards the wine and cheese crowd. The idea of grilling outside on a Sunday morning is likely beneath the image the league wants these days. 

Plenty of folks from all demographics enjoy tailgating. September/ October are simply best. The weather is pretty wretched in Nov and Dec to sit outside watching a football game. That’s the problem. 

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I don't care downtown OP, roof, no roof..i only want a couple of things

 

1) Not a huge middle ring of the stadium three stories of suites. I like sitting in the upper deck, and the stadiums that do this like Gillette and Fed -Ex just suck .

 

2) Standing Room spots. I would prefer  assigned/ticketed standing room spots so you can go tot he potty, grab a beer etc and not lose your place. Someplaces do this and it is awesome

 

3) A decent beer selection

 

Thats it, and i am happy

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29 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

This^ The constant “yuppifcation” of everything has really taken the fun out of many things. When people think of tailgating, they tend to think of all the stupid antics. There is plenty of that, but I choose to think about the good parts. It’s so enjoyable to spend Sunday morning sitting around grilling and beer drinking. I have no desire to sit in a crowded restaurant drinking over priced beer while eating an overpriced cheeseburger. Nothing against restaurants, there are perfect moments to visit them, but I’d prefer to grill my food and drink my beer on game day. It’s a huge part of the experience that I’d miss. I can hang out in a bar or restaurant any day of the week if I choose to do so. Sadly, the game is becoming geared towards the wine and cheese crowd. The idea of grilling outside on a Sunday morning is likely beneath the image the league wants these days. 

I couldn't agree with you more. Some of my favorite memories as a kid was tailgating at ECC with 20 family members cooking on the grill playing football. Now that I'm 40 I like to do the same with some beers involved! I don't want to be in a bar before the game I wanna be outside grilling and drinking some beers!

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49 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Retractable would make the most sense and would favor everyone.  It would also be able to be used for purposes other than football if it was.

I am not in favor of a retractable roof. Here in Houston, we have one and the damn thing is closed all the time!! Said to "enhance the home field advantage". BS. I can't stand that. It's Houston, it's sunny, open the damn roof. Happens over at Minute Maid Park, too (Astros). I feel the same would happen in Buffalo, but for different reasons. Here's it's "too hot", so they'll close the roof and make it louder. In Buffalo, any chance of snow and they'll close the roof. I think we lose an advantage to Southern/West Coast/Doom teams that can't play in snow. Jim Kelly grow up in East Brady, PA and was already used the play in the snow! We need that!!

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