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Just now, Augie said:

 

Oh boy.....here we go......

 

The funniest part is don’t drink and derive.   😋. Really! 

 

No offense, but I’ll take Kirby’s side on the NFL finances topic. 

Sure. Change the subject. You are weak.

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1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I've paid upfront for 31 years. You????

I'm not going anywhere. I simply wager that the Pegulas drag their feet as long as possible w/regard to a new stadium

 

I wasn’t in town that long. I’m NOT putting your opinion down in ANY way, but I just think the almighty dollar will win in the end. And I think it’s a bit more complicated than the average fan (and certainly MYSELF) have mastered. 

1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Sure. Change the subject. You are weak.

 

I wasn’t changing the subject at all, but your response is sadly disappointing. I respect your feelings, but I think we might not see the facts the same way.  This dialogue is ongoing. I think Kirby has a better grasp on the facts than you or I. Feel free to prove me wrong. I feel bad if he has to lay it all out again. Maybe he can be Mr Copy & Paste for another round. 

 

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Just now, Augie said:

 

I wasn’t in town that long. I’m NOT putting your opinion down in ANY way, but I just think the almighty dollar will win in the end. And I think it’s a bit more complicated than the average fan (and certainly MYSELF) have mastered. 

Money talks, etc........ I think the Pegulas will use the current facility for as long as it is practical. It is mostly outside forces driving the new stadium argument for the most part. I've stated that the old Bethlehem Steel site would be a great place for a new facility. The tailgate culture could be preserved, vs. a downtown stadium, which would change the fan experience in a negative way, IMO.

'Brownfield' tax credits could be used to rehab the Bethlehem plant, which I would think, could be had for a song, considering what might be bubbling beneath the surface of that site.

Otherwise, build next door. The Pegula's bought property adjacent to 'Rich' Stadium with that purpose in mind........

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19 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I wasn’t in town that long. I’m NOT putting your opinion down in ANY way, but I just think the almighty dollar will win in the end. And I think it’s a bit more complicated than the average fan (and certainly MYSELF) have mastered. 

 

I wasn’t changing the subject at all, but your response is sadly disappointing. I respect your feelings, but I think we might not see the facts the same way.  This dialogue is ongoing. I think Kirby has a better grasp on the facts than you or I. Feel free to prove me wrong. I feel bad if he has to lay it all out again. Maybe he can be Mr Copy & Paste for another round. 

 

Sadly disappointing? Explain. Enlighten me regarding Kirby's omniscience

.......😚

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24 minutes ago, mrags said:

My guess is similar. Except I think the Pegulas along with help of anyone with money looking to get in on the ground floor (Rich, Golisano, Jacobs, Kelly group, Any other development group) they will fully fund the stadium and hotels/restaurants/shopping  in and around the stadium. 

 

I believe they will fund the stadium completely. Except with the expectation on the City, County, State, Fed, to fund and completely update the infrastructure in and around the city. 

 

Additional subway stops that go all the way to the airport, galleria mall area, UB North Campus, and a half a dozen others. Updated highways with multiple routes in and out of the city. Etc. 

Hahaha.  The subway extension to Amherst is a long shot.  To the airport and points East...never in our lifetime.  

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9 hours ago, LeviF91 said:

We might as well accept it now.  Tailgating is dead/dying across the NFL.  And that's by design. 

That is the problem with Americans these days. They will 'accept' most anything. - A defeatist attitude did not make this country great, but such an attitude seems to have become pervasive in many circles....

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1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I've paid upfront for 31 years. You????

I'm not going anywhere. I simply wager that the Pegulas drag their feet as long as possible w/regard to a new stadium

I believe they are and have. Talking takes a few years, and then building takes 3 years. The stadium will be 50 years old before it closes. The stadium is made of concrete. Concrete cracks over time. You look up at the upper deck and see new I-beams holding it up every year. There are leaks and cracks all over the lower deck too if you actually go to games and look around. It is time to do a very extensive renovation or complete rebuild. Eventually somebody is going to get hurt. 

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He also said a "scaled down version of the palaces" in LA and Dallas.   Both domes.

I'm hoping he's talking about scaling back on the roofs 😂

 

I live in Atlanta and the new stadium is incredible here, the screens are amazing but there's just something special about watching football in the elements. I think dome teams are softer as well.

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1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Hahaha.  The subway extension to Amherst is a long shot.  To the airport and points East...never in our lifetime.  

Ok. Well see. 

 

And that depends on how old YOU are 

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20 minutes ago, wagon127 said:

I believe they are and have. Talking takes a few years, and then building takes 3 years. The stadium will be 50 years old before it closes. The stadium is made of concrete. Concrete cracks over time. You look up at the upper deck and see new I-beams holding it up every year. There are leaks and cracks all over the lower deck too if you actually go to games and look around. It is time to do a very extensive renovation or complete rebuild. Eventually somebody is going to get hurt. 

Reinforced concrete cracks. If the stadium had a safety issue, it would already be closed. It does not have any such issue. Just ask structural engineers, who have inspected the site.

The Stadium will be around long after you, and I have passed-unless they blow it up.

'New' is not always 'better'. A lesson that Americans need to learn......

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1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Ohhh yes it does. The Pegulas pay *nothing* for the current facility. They would have to amortize another $1.5 BILLION otherwise. Show me your numbers on how that benefits Buffalo fans, and the Pegulas

No they wouldn’t. They are looking at $500M (private) and we have $150M with naming rights alone. They can generate another $100M in PSL’s (easily). That’s leaves $250M private (without a concession deal). Call the concession deal another $100M. That leaves $150M. That stadium can EASILY yield an additional $25M a year. This is clear as day (which is why everyone is pushing it). 

1 hour ago, mrags said:

My guess is similar. Except I think the Pegulas along with help of anyone with money looking to get in on the ground floor (Rich, Golisano, Jacobs, Kelly group, Any other development group) they will fully fund the stadium and hotels/restaurants/shopping  in and around the stadium. 

 

I believe they will fund the stadium completely. Except with the expectation on the City, County, State, Fed, to fund and completely update the infrastructure in and around the city. 

 

Additional subway stops that go all the way to the airport, galleria mall area, UB North Campus, and a half a dozen others. Updated highways with multiple routes in and out of the city. Etc. 

Ain’t going to happen. No one else is doing that anymore (especially in similar markets). The Pegula’s are asking for half (and will get it). 

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Sadly disappointing? Explain. Enlighten me regarding Kirby's omniscience

.......😚

I do have a master’s degree in sports management and worked closely on a lease deal for an NBA team with the state and the league. I am not an idiot on the topic. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No they wouldn’t. They are looking at $500M (private) and we have $150M with naming rights alone. They can generate another $100M in PSL’s (easily). That’s leaves $250M private (without a concession deal). Call the concession deal another $100M. That leaves $150M. That stadium can EASILY yield an additional $25M a year. This is clear as day (which is why everyone is pushing it). 

Ain’t going to happen. No one else is doing that anymore (especially in similar markets). The Pegula’s are asking for half (and will get it). 

I do have a master’s degree in sports management and worked closely on a lease deal for an NBA team with the state and the league. I am not an idiot on the topic. 🤷🏻‍♂️

$100m in PSL's in Buffalo? Really? Good luck with that.You're dreaming, Kirb. The Jets had to backtrack fro their PSL plan, and that was in the largest market in the NFL.

$150M in naming rights? We don't need a new building for that....

What NBA team? Seriously?

C'mon........

BTW, who gives a rat's ass about your master's degree?

 

34 minutes ago, mrags said:

Ok. Well see. 

 

And that depends on how old YOU are 

The public outcry killed the Amherst/Downtown train. We had a number of Trolley cars from Cleveland lined up for $20 million. It was going to fly, except FEAR of downtown got in the way

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2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Sure. Change the subject. You are weak.

 

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Sadly disappointing? Explain. Enlighten me regarding Kirby's omniscience

.......😚

 

I don’t like pettiness, but that was offensive, ignorant and inappropriate. You asked, I answered, and now I’m done. 

 

BTW, did you ever work in the Bills FO? Kirby did. I’ll put my money on him over your emotions. 

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6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

 

I don’t like pettiness, but that was offensive, ignorant and inappropriate. You asked, I answered, and now I’ done. 

 

BTW, did you ever work in the Bills FO? Kirby did. I’ll put my money on him over your emotions. 

No emotions. Just facts, Aug. I know from the stupidity that you follow over at the cessPPPool, that you hate facts.....Sorry that you are so butthurt.......

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1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

$100m in PSL's in Buffalo? Really? Good luck with that.You're dreaming, Kirb.

$150M in naming rights? We don't need a new building for that....

What NBA team? Seriously?

C'mon........

 

Lucas Oil was $122M for 20 years (in like 2008). Hard Rock, more recently, was $250M for 18 years. It isn’t even remotely a stretch to think that the Bills could get $150M over 20 years. It’s probably conservative. 

 

$100M In PSL’s is what the Vikings did with, what I believe, will be a similar structure. We aren’t talking $100K PSL’s or whatever SF charged. They had like $500 PSL’s (and they weren’t on every seat).

 

Also, I haven’t even factored in the NFL loan program. I’m being conservative.

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1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

That is the problem with Americans these days. They will 'accept' most anything. - A defeatist attitude did not make this country great, but such an attitude seems to have become pervasive in many circles....

 

You should have coughed up ther $1.4 BILLION so you could have it your way. 

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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Lucas Oil was $122M for 20 years (in like 2008). Hard Rock, more recently, was $250M for 18 years. It isn’t even remotely a stretch to think that the Bills could get $150M over 20 years. It’s probably conservative. 

 

$100M In PSL’s is what the Vikings did with, what I believe, will be a similar structure. We aren’t talking $100K PSL’s or whatever SF charged. They had like $500 PSL’s (and they weren’t on every seat).

 

Also, I haven’t even factored in the NFL loan program. I’m being conservative.

More $$$$ for the 'Pegs' to amortize. Got it. This ain't NYC, Kirb.......

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

You should have coughed up ther $1.4 BILLION so you could have it your way. 

The Pegula's did, and they are going to extract every dime out of the current facility because of that fact.......

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A thoughtful approach might be well advised at this point. The emotional view sees to be taking over. Be open to both sides. Use the whole brain. 

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Just now, BUFFALOBART said:

More $$$$ for the 'Pegs' to amortize. Got it. This ain't NYC, Kirb.......

Look, I’m not trying to be rude but there is a reason that EVERYONE (outside of the state) wants this to happen. The league wants it for more money. The Pegulas want it for more money. The government isn’t on board because it will cost them $500M. Regardless, it’s coming and the groundwork is in place. 

 

The Bills NEED to close the non-shared revenue gap or risk getting left behind. If the TV deal ever hits a tipping point it is catastrophic to the Bills. They need to insulate themselves by closing this gap. They know that and the other owners do too.

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Just now, Augie said:

A thoughtful approach might be well advised at this point. The emotional view sees to be taking over. Be open to both sides. Use the whole brain. 

It's only 'emotional' to you, because you cannot handle an opinion that differs from your own........

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