White Linen Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: Winning trumps culture man...Period! I think you need culture to win or at least to sustain it. Maybe culture isn't the word but there's a cohesion to the best teams - and the perennial winning teams have that coach that do great at keeping things together. The Browns have a good bit to prove from an organizational and coaching perspective. They have the talent to make that a whole lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Rapaport reporting that OBJ wants an alteration to his contract ALA Antonio Brown. Wants to be the highest paid receiver in the NFL It’s good to go last! Even when Bruce used to do this, it ticked me off. I’m not sure if I would have given in so often. You don’t want me as your GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: That cuts deep. ? I'm not saying I agree with it, but I did hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: Exactly! Well, maybe other than he’s a second year guy who has maybe...what, ten starts under his belt? This whole NFL QB thing isn’t really all that easy. It ain’t Madden. I hope he lights it up, but it takes time for almost any QB. Just keep improving and showing progress, develop chemistry with the new crew and hope they catch better than the old crew. Year 2 has been breakout time for all the recent QB's.(Wentz, Trubisky, Goff, Mahomes) If you like the moves (which I do), there's no reason to believe Allen won't have a breakout season if he's the real deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: How could he be angry? He only dates supermodels! Full disclosure. I’ve never dated a supermodels. Too high maintenance. But I’ve dated a bunch of pretty girls. Not everyone who posts here looks like you. goodnight Joe. Sweet dreams of McBeane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanyills Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Have you played the game ? Even if not , if we made that OBJ trade , it goes against everything coach has preached for 3 years. Culture, process,hard work. The message that would send to the WHOLE TEAM would be negative imo. It would have a negative reaction to what I perceive as a Bills team that is on the up n up. It's deeper than the numbers and talent. He doesn't fit our team, our process, our culture . He wouldn't equate to more wins for sure imo. I've been hearing whispers in North Jersey since 2017 about OBJ. How many playoff appearances does this "top 5" player have?!? Exactly The message it sends to the team is that the organization is serious about winning. This isn’t some rec-league, D2 franchise that your personal experience compares to. Guys like OBJ, Bell, etc., fill a need with a dynamic playmaker. We’re not talking about adding five Vontaze Burficts, multiple players at easily replaceable positions. We’re talking about a, singular, premier player. That has a negligible negative impact on the locker room. It does speak volumes in positives, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I'm not saying I agree with it, but I did hear it. Fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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C.Biscuit97 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Year 2 has been breakout time for all the recent QB's.(Wentz, Trubisky, Goff, Mahomes) If you like the moves (which I do), there's no reason to believe Allen won't have a breakout season if he's the real deal. I still think we need a big receiver or 2. I think when Allen misses, it’s high. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: The Browns are looking stupid sick right now! Man... this is why we need a legit X (DK) receiver! It makes a difference! Then again...if we can sign Bell... we'll look better then the Browns! Let’s not forget Kareem Hunt will most likely be active at some point this coming season. That’s huge. On paper they have some serious heavy hitters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, LSHMEAB said: Year 2 has been breakout time for all the recent QB's.(Wentz, Trubisky, Goff, Mahomes) If you like the moves (which I do), there's no reason to believe Allen won't have a breakout season if he's the real deal. And maybe every person and player is different. I’ll wait and see, then evaluate based on what occurs. Wentz apparently isn’t beloved in the locker room, and the team played better with the backup. Trubisky wasn’t magical. Mahomes had maybe the best situation ever between watching, coaching and weapons. I’m not blindly supporting Allen. He wasn’t the guy I wanted and I’m hoping for the best. He was raw and he may take a little more time than more advanced guys coming in. To say “year 2 is when it should happen” is a simplified view of a complicated issue. We will all just hope for the best, because that’s all we can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: This guy is indulging here big time for a story. I just watched kim Jones, on the network, talk about her phone call with him. Just said he acted like he needed time to let it marinate. Edited March 13, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: This guy is indulging here big time for a story. I just watched kim Jones talk about her phone call with him. Just said he acted like he needed time to let it marinate. Yeah I think he will come around on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Several. More than Bob Foster, Zay Jones, Cole Beasely, and John Brown combined. Exactly. 5-6 combined 5-5 brown 0-1 Beckham Brown really is 3-3 since becoming a starter though And in those 6 games he has 5 games of 100+ yards, 4 tds, and like 650 yards Brown wasn't the problem with them in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Rapaport reporting that OBJ wants an alteration to his contract ALA Antonio Brown. Wants to be the highest paid receiver in the NFL OBJ already was that with the Giants. 14 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: True but without that Culture winning is rare. Look at NE , Sea when they were winning , SF , even Pitt to an extent. All inputed their culture and winning followed. A collection of talent rarely Trump's a TEAM Why did McD and Beane want AB and OBJ then? 3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Exactly. 5-6 combined 5-5 brown 0-1 Beckham Brown really is 3-3 since becoming a starter though And in those 6 games he has 5 games of 100+ yards, 4 tds, and like 650 yards Brown wasn't the problem with them in the playoffs Must have been the culture then...yo? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JerseyBills Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, eanyills said: The message it sends to the team is that the organization is serious about winning. This isn’t some rec-league, D2 franchise that your personal experience compares to. Guys like OBJ, Bell, etc., fill a need with a dynamic playmaker. We’re not talking about adding five Vontaze Burficts, multiple players at easily replaceable positions. We’re talking about a, singular, premier player. That has a negligible negative impact on the locker room. It does speak volumes in positives, though. I'm going to gracefully bow out of this conversation and continue it in October when the Browns aren't living up to the ridiculous expectations the fans n media will paint. The guy has never even been to the playoffs , he isn't WORTH the negative impact he will have on the locker room. He's already demanding to have his contact redone. I live in Giant/Jet land with basically all my friends fans of either. He is perceived as a nutcase , selfish and has very negative impact towards the process of building a winning culture. There's a reason Gettleman and Schurmer gladly took that deal . They understand that this primadonna , very talented WR will not benefit this team to long term success... There's a reason every Giant fan I spoke to is thrilled right now.. keep listening to ESPN though ! 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: OBJ already was that with the Giants. Why did McD and Beane want AB and OBJ then? Must have been the culture then...yo? They bailed on AB for dirt cheap draft capital and we don't know the details on obj. My guess is due diligence. If he could front load a contract n get out without a huge cap hit , why not inquire? He did nothing though and never was close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I'm going to gracefully bow out of this conversation and continue it in October when the Browns aren't living up to the ridiculous expectations the fans n media will paint. The guy has never even been to the playoffs , he isn't WORTH the negative impact he will have on the locker room. He's already demanding to have his contact redone. I live in Giant/Jet land with basically all my friends fans of either. He is perceived as a nutcase , selfish and has very negative impact towards the process of building a winning culture. There's a reason Gettleman and Schurmer gladly took that deal . They understand that this primadonna , very talented WR will not benefit this team to long term success... There's a reason every Giant fan I spoke to is thrilled right now.. keep listening to ESPN though ! jaded fans > analysts ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Jimmy Haslam and OBJ in the same organization? That's some dysfunction junction action right there. There's still only one ball on offense and with those personalities it's going to be real interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Julius Peppers is an over the hill DE who retired a month ago. I'd still take him over Gibril (gerbil ?) Peppers who is a bum. Peppers is an above average SS. Trade was still well worth it, especially if they sign Earl Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, Augie said: Exactly! Well, maybe other than he’s a second year guy who has maybe...what, ten starts under his belt? This whole NFL QB thing isn’t really all that easy. It ain’t Madden. I hope he lights it up, but it takes time for almost any QB. Just keep improving and showing progress, develop chemistry with the new crew and hope they catch better than the old crew. Hell, Madden ain't easy either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I'm going to gracefully bow out of this conversation and continue it in October when the Browns aren't living up to the ridiculous expectations the fans n media will paint. The guy has never even been to the playoffs , he isn't WORTH the negative impact he will have on the locker room. He's already demanding to have his contact redone. I live in Giant/Jet land with basically all my friends fans of either. He is perceived as a nutcase , selfish and has very negative impact towards the process of building a winning culture. There's a reason Gettleman and Schurmer gladly took that deal . They understand that this primadonna , very talented WR will not benefit this team to long term success... There's a reason every Giant fan I spoke to is thrilled right now.. keep listening to ESPN though ! They bailed on AB for dirt cheap draft capital and we don't know the details on obj. My guess is due diligence. If he could front load a contract n get out without a huge cap hit , why not inquire? He did nothing though and never was close Yes, he has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Have you played the game ? Even if not , if we made that OBJ trade , it goes against everything coach has preached for 3 years. Culture, process,hard work. The message that would send to the WHOLE TEAM would be negative imo. It would have a negative reaction to what I perceive as a Bills team that is on the up n up. It's deeper than the numbers and talent. He doesn't fit our team, our process, our culture . He wouldn't equate to more wins for sure imo. I've been hearing whispers in North Jersey since 2017 about OBJ. How many playoff appearances does this "top 5" player have?!? Exactly And yet they tried to trade for Antonio Brown and OBJ. Hmmmmm....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I still think we need a big receiver or 2. I think when Allen misses, it’s high. I get where you're coming from. I really do. I just don't want another season where the offense isn't good enough to gauge the QB's progress. I want to see what Allen is made of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I'm going to gracefully bow out of this conversation and continue it in October when the Browns aren't living up to the ridiculous expectations the fans n media will paint. The guy has never even been to the playoffs , he isn't WORTH the negative impact he will have on the locker room. He's already demanding to have his contact redone. I live in Giant/Jet land with basically all my friends fans of either. He is perceived as a nutcase , selfish and has very negative impact towards the process of building a winning culture. There's a reason Gettleman and Schurmer gladly took that deal . They understand that this primadonna , very talented WR will not benefit this team to long term success... There's a reason every Giant fan I spoke to is thrilled right now.. keep listening to ESPN though ! They bailed on AB for dirt cheap draft capital and we don't know the details on obj. My guess is due diligence. If he could front load a contract n get out without a huge cap hit , why not inquire? He did nothing though and never was close You are dodging the question. They would have taken AB were it not for the money price. And they were interested in OBJ. Why even inquire if they put such a high priority on this "culture" It would make no sense to even inquire about either of these guys if what you are saying is true. It's not... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 One of my Giant fan buddies is throwing a fit via text message right now. Talking about already being on the brink as a fan, might be done with the team. Lol, “brink.” I’d gladly trade two superb owls in a decade for having my dye job drama llama stolen away from me by the big bad Browns. I’d take that “brink” action in a heartbeat. (And yes, I did tell him that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I'm going to gracefully bow out of this conversation and continue it in October when the Browns aren't living up to the ridiculous expectations the fans n media will paint. The guy has never even been to the playoffs , he isn't WORTH the negative impact he will have on the locker room. He's already demanding to have his contact redone. I live in Giant/Jet land with basically all my friends fans of either. He is perceived as a nutcase , selfish and has very negative impact towards the process of building a winning culture. There's a reason Gettleman and Schurmer gladly took that deal . They understand that this primadonna , very talented WR will not benefit this team to long term success... There's a reason every Giant fan I spoke to is thrilled right now.. keep listening to ESPN though ! I look forward to it. Definitely will be fun to follow. He has been to the playoffs. And again, please explain to me the negative impact. Three friends of mine who are Giants fans have texted me with exactly the opposite reaction! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Yes, he has. Pardon me. One appearance. As many as Zay Jones . And had very little impact in post season. Man I'm good n love what we're building here. Some don't see it or understand it yet. But you will soon enough. we had a plan and executed it. Obj is already causing Cleveland a headache about his contract and being on Cle . I'm done - quote me please , OBJ will post pedestrian numbers in 2019 on the Browns . I will put my house on that. Mysterious injuries , ridiculous antics, super selfish. I'm so glad this guy isn't a Bill. I'm DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 If he's seriously "not thrilled".... Buddy, go play on a videogame offense in Cleveland. You have a chance to be a part of some special, winning football there for those fans. Don't be a baby about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) John WawrowVerified account @john_wawrow 2m2 minutes ago I’m hearing it was the #NYFootballGiants who contacted the #Bills to gauge their interest in OBJ. Not the other way around. Wondering what happened here. Did the Bills say they weren't interested? Did the Bills just not want to pay the price? Do the Bills have something else cooking instead? Interesting if this is true. Edited March 13, 2019 by sven233 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: Pardon me. One appearance. As many as Zay Jones . And had very little impact in post season. Man I'm good n love what we're building here. Some don't see it or understand it yet. But you will soon enough. we had a plan and executed it. Obj is already causing Cleveland a headache about his contract and being on Cle . I'm done - quote me please , OBJ will post pedestrian numbers in 2019 on the Browns . I will put my house on that. Mysterious injuries , ridiculous antics, super selfish. I'm so glad this guy isn't a Bill. I'm DONE You keep pushing this argument about who has gone to the playoffs and your facts are totally wrong. Done? You shouldn't have even started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Oof I'd love to have the Cleveland roster right now good Lord that's some fantasy football rosterbaiting. High price to trade for him, I'd be hesitant to give up that much myself. Would have rather paid AB than give up a great player and top picks Edited March 13, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sven233 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Tim GrahamVerified account @ByTimGraham 5s5 seconds ago Source directly involved: Giants reached out to Bills to measure interest in Odell Beckham. Bills did not reach out to Giants about trading for him. Another confirmation that the Bills were contacted by the Giants..... As I said above, were the Bills just not interested? Do they have something else working behind the scenes? IF they were going after Brown, it seems like they should have been interested in OBJ. Who knows...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Oof I'd love to have the Cleveland roster right now good Lord that's some fantasy football rosterbaiting. High price to trade for him, I'd be hesitant to give up that much myself. Would have rather paid AB than give up a great player and top picks The pick is 95, the Pats 3rd. And it looks like they are swapping Peepers for Earl Thomas. Peppers is above average. He isn't great yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 John Wawrow (@john_wawrow) 3/12/19, 9:40 PM I’m hearing it was the #NYFootballGiants who contacted the #Bills to gauge their interest in OBJ. Not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, sven233 said: Tim GrahamVerified account @ByTimGraham 5s5 seconds ago Source directly involved: Giants reached out to Bills to measure interest in Odell Beckham. Bills did not reach out to Giants about trading for him. Another confirmation that the Bills were contacted by the Giants..... As I said above, were the Bills just not interested? Do they have something else working behind the scenes? IF they were going after Brown, it seems like they should have been interested in OBJ. Who knows...... Strictly the picks I'd guess. 3 & 5 way cheaper than 1, 2 and change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Let’s not forget Kareem Hunt will most likely be active at some point this coming season. That’s huge. On paper they have some serious heavy hitters. And I didn't realize how good the line was. Joel Bitonio, Zeitler OGs and Greg Robinson at tackle. Great on paper. Add in if they're high picks on D turn out: Ogbah, Sheldon Richardson, Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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