WR Pierre Garçon available

[YoloinOhio]

Pride of D3 powerhouse Mount Union! 

 

On on the downside of his career but wouldn’t mind having him in the WR group 

 

 

 

 

[TOboy]

Not sure he solves any problems. Perhaps on a short deal with not a lot committed, but then why would he pick us unless he sees this as the best opportunity to re-build his value. Seems unlikely. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

It would be nice to have a veteran in the WR room. 

 

On the other hand, I like the idea of young guys learning the position with our young QB, so they can all grow together. 

 

In any event, I'm not really interested in short-term bandaid solutions.  I'd rather a guy that was average in his first year that has a chance of developing into a 1000 yard receiver for years to come.  

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, TOboy said:

Not sure he solves any problems. Perhaps on a short deal with not a lot committed, but then why would he pick us unless he sees this as the best opportunity to re-build his value. Seems unlikely. 

He doesn’t need to solve anything on his own,  but right now the “vet leader” in the WR room is Deonte  Thompson, and he’s a FA. He could replace him. 

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

It would be nice to have a veteran in the WR room. 

 

On the other hand, I like the idea of young guys learning the position with our young QB, so they can all grow together. 

 

In any event, I'm not really interested in short-term bandaid solutions.  I'd rather a guy that was average in his first year that has a chance of developing into a 1000 yard receiver for years to come.  

They can certainly add both of these. They will need to bring in multiple WRs -  vet and rookie - to upgrade the group. 

Garçon isn’t going to get big money anywhere at this point but he’s a better player than deonte Thompson. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[formerlyofCtown]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Pride of D3 powerhouse Mount Union! 

 

On on the downside of his career but wouldn’t mind having him in the WR group 

 

 

 

 

I have already thought it would be good to have a veteran presense in the WR room.

[Jpsredemption]

Nope let’s stop with the retreads and bring in some real game breaking talent.

[TOboy]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He doesn’t need to solve anything on his own,  but right now the “vet leader” in the WR room is Deonte  Thompson, and he’s a FA. He could replace him. 

They can certainly add both of these. They will need to bring in multiple WRs -  vet and rookie - to upgrade the group. 

Garçon isn’t going to get big money anywhere at this point but he’s a better player than deonte Thompson. 

 

Fair enough, as a vet presence in the room he'd be solid, I just don't want to pay a premium for his past performance when it's unlikely he'll ever produce like that again. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Is he willing to fight for Jesus? 

 

Peyton used to like how he RAC’d angry. 

 

Why wouldnt they they give him a shot on the 90 ? 

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Is he willing to fight for Jesus? 

 

Peyton used to like how he RAC’d angry. 

 

Why wouldnt they they give him a shot on the 90 ? 

He shouldn’t be in huge demand given his age and injury history and that’s why I think he might be a guy who they could bring in if he’s open to it. The vet WR market is going to be a very tough nut to crack for the Bills this year. That is just reality. And people forget that we need to bring 90 guys to camp. No one is saying he’s going to be our #1 or even 2 or 3 WR. But they cannot add all rookies. He can still play and if healthy can certainly contribute for a year or 2. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[klos63]

38 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

Nope let’s stop with the retreads and bring in some real game breaking talent.

Is a veteran a 'retread' - he's been a solid receiver his whole career. No reason to bad mouth him.

[wppete]

No thanks. We need you g guys with speed. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He shouldn’t be in huge demand given his age and injury history and that’s why I think he might be a guy who they could bring in if he’s open to it. The vet WR market is going to be a very tough nut to crack for the Bills this year. That is just reality. And people forget that we need to bring 90 guys to camp. No one is saying he’s going to be our #1 or even 2 or 3 WR. But they cannot add all rookies. He can still play and if healthy can certainly contribute for a year or 2. 

 

Exactly.

 

Sure it would be nice to have 5 or 6 well behaved Antonio Brown clones....

 

nope I just looked- nothing like that on the free agent list. 

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

No thanks. We need you g guys with speed. 

 

So you’re thinking 5 Tyreek Hill clones ? 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Solid Blocker - solid hands.  Not sure what he has left in the tank though to be honest.  Could mix him in as a 4th guy though.  Especially with not much on the roster at TE. Need that guy that can get the sticks on 3rd downs.

 

I just always try to remember - young doesn't mean good.  Especially at WR.  For every JuJu or Ridley - there's flat out busts like ross, coleman, kevin white, Agholor, davante parker.. etc.

Edited February 14, 2019 by dneveu

[blacklabel]

Garcon is 32... feels like the Bills only wanna target players coming off their first contract (or maybe a second contract that's only a one or two year deal). That's what they did with Hyde, Poyer, Murphy, Lotulelei, etc. They're looking for guys in a certain range. If they do decide to sign a vet over 30, I'd bet on them offering a short-term deal only. Just seems to be the McBeane method at this point.

[T master]

Given the cap space the Bills have i think it would be a good get for the younger players in that room & he could also help Josh in some ways seeing as much football as he has & he may be a help to Dabol in some ways, so for a veterans minimum contract because he will still be getting a bit of cash from the 49ers i'd say get him & see what happens !! 

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

Garcon is 32... feels like the Bills only wanna target players coming off their first contract (or maybe a second contract that's only a one or two year deal). That's what they did with Hyde, Poyer, Murphy, Lotulelei, etc. They're looking for guys in a certain range. If they do decide to sign a vet over 30, I'd bet on them offering a short-term deal only. Just seems to be the McBeane method at this point.

For long term deals, yes. But they won’t be signing all long term deals in the FA market. They need a lot of players and some will be short term deals too (as you noted). They signed Jeremy Kerley last year, as an example. It didn’t work out but there will be those types of signings at WR imo in addition to drafting a WR and signing one in FA to a decent deal (imo). This would be that type of signing (Kerley). I think (whether people agree with the philosophy or not) McDermott has been pretty clear that he’s looking to add a vet leader for the WRs. At times last year he referred to both Andre Holmes and Deonte Thompson as the “vet leader” role which is sad and also they are both gone now. 

 

Given the choice I’d rather trade for a vet or sign a guy like Golden Tate but it takes two to tango there and not sure either of those scenarios will play in the Bills favor. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

Garcon is 32... feels like the Bills only wanna target players coming off their first contract (or maybe a second contract that's only a one or two year deal). That's what they did with Hyde, Poyer, Murphy, Lotulelei, etc. They're looking for guys in a certain range. If they do decide to sign a vet over 30, I'd bet on them offering a short-term deal only. Just seems to be the McBeane method at this point.

 

If they go this route They should add a Vonte/Boldin penalty clause for retiring from the 53 before the end of the second game 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

For long term deals, yes. But they won’t be signing all long term deals in the FA market. They need a lot of players and some will be short term deals too. They signed Jeremy Kerley last year, as an example. It didn’t work out but there will be those types of signings at WR imo in addition to drafting a WR and signing one in FA to a decent deal (imo). This would be that type of signing (Kerley). I think (whether people agree with the philosophy or not) McDermott has been pretty clear that he’s looking to add a vet leader for the WRs. At times last year he referred to both Andre Holmes and Deonte Thompson as the “vet leader” role which is sad and also they are both gone now. 

 

Yeah - there are still examples of WRs playing productively after age 30.  Nelson still looked relatively productive for the raiders, Amendola was Miami's leading receiver, Emmanuel Sanders was having a great year before tearing his achilles, Crabtree was a solid addition for Baltimore, and obviously Edelman won super bowl MVP so he's still solid.  

 

I wouldn't rule it out, but i doubt it's like top of our priority like adding some help along the offensive line.

[HappyDays]

I would definitely bring him in to compete with Zay. He still has something left in the tank and he fits the process. He can actually catch the ball consistently, which is a plus. If we went into 2019 with Foster, Zay, Garcon, and a 1st or 2nd round rookie I would feel very comfortable with that group.

[blacklabel]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

For long term deals, yes. But they won’t be signing all long term deals in the FA market. They need a lot of players and some will be short term deals too (as you noted). They signed Jeremy Kerley last year, as an example. It didn’t work out but there will be those types of signings at WR imo in addition to drafting a WR and signing one in FA to a decent deal (imo). This would be that type of signing (Kerley). I think (whether people agree with the philosophy or not) McDermott has been pretty clear that he’s looking to add a vet leader for the WRs. At times last year he referred to both Andre Holmes and Deonte Thompson as the “vet leader” role which is sad and also they are both gone now. 

 

Given the choice I’d rather trade for a vet or sign a guy like Golden Tate but it takes two to tango there and not sure either of those scenarios will play in the Bills favor. 

 

Good points. I forgot about Kerley. Yeah, I can see them handing out some short-term deals to guys that are 30+ for that veteran leadership they seem to really value. I think the tricky thing with some of these vet receivers is gonna be that they'll likely wanna land with a contender to get one or two more shots at a title. I've heard that about Tate, anyway. Garcon could be helpful. SF WRs stated how much they learned from him during his time there. 

 

Also, I hope no one will be too terribly surprised when they see some of the deals the Bills hand out. They're gonna overpay a little bit. It can be a tough to recruit FAs here so they gotta drop a little extra cash in the deals as incentive to sign.

Edited February 14, 2019 by blacklabel

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

 

Good points. I forgot about Kerley. Yeah, I can see them handing out some short-term deals to guys that are 30+ for that veteran leadership they seem to really value. I think the tricky thing with some of these vet receivers is gonna be that they'll likely wanna land with a contender to get one or two more shots at a title. I've heard that about Tate, anyway. Garcon could be helpful. SF WRs stated how much they learned from him during his time there. 

 

Also, I hope no one will be too terribly surprised when they see some of the deals the Bills hand out. They're gonna overpay a little bit. It can be a tough to recruit FAs here so they gotta drop a little extra cash in the deals as incentive to sign.

 

For sure - but if Tate were interested i think i'd rather have him (or A.Brown if the price isn't too steep... a man can dream right?!).  Tate has been more productive over his career, can play inside and outside, and has a better catch rate over his career.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

For sure - but if Tate were interested i think i'd rather have him (or A.Brown if the price isn't too steep... a man can dream right?!).  Tate has been more productive over his career, can play inside and outside, and has a better catch rate over his career.

There is no doubt at all that Tate is the better player at this time. But like you said, that’s going to be a tough get. I’m not worried about the money he will demand as much as where he, as a WR with options, would want to play. Just reality.

[blacklabel]

18 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

For sure - but if Tate were interested i think i'd rather have him (or A.Brown if the price isn't too steep... a man can dream right?!).  Tate has been more productive over his career, can play inside and outside, and has a better catch rate over his career.

 

Yeah, AB would be awesome but the dudes character is that of a spoiled little brat and I don't think McBeane would want that kind of attitude in their locker room. He's all about himself and they've spent the last two years constructing a roster with guys that are all about the team.

[eball]

Garcon means boy.

[YoloinOhio]

15 minutes ago, eball said:

Garcon means boy.

Not “waiter”?

 

I call him Peter Waiter

[JMF2006]

15 minutes ago, eball said:

Garcon means boy.

 

You are correct....But......

 

Are we allowed to call him that?

[PetermansRedemption]

I don’t have much interest in this one. I don’t see him as much better than what we have. If he wants to come in on a no money guaranteed deal and battle it out with the rest of our 4-8 receivers then I suppose I could get behind it. I envision next year being Rd1/2 draft pick, Robert Foster, Zay Jones and I’m perfectly fine with that. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by Bills2ref

[eball]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Not “waiter”?

 

I call him Peter Waiter

 

Not a big Pulp Fiction fan, eh?

[YoloinOhio]

 

15 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

I don’t have much interest in this one. I don’t see him as much better than what we have. If he wants to come in on a no money guaranteed deal and battle it out with the rest of our 4-8 receivers then I suppose I could get behind it. I full envision next year being Rd1/2 draft pick, Robert Foster, Zay Jones and I’m perfectly fine with that. 

You want to only bring 3 WRs to TC?

Edited February 14, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[PetermansRedemption]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

You want to only bring 3 WRs to TC?

They can bring as many as they want to camp. Let them all battle it out. I just wouldn’t pay Pierre Garçon much to be one. 

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

They can bring as many as they want to camp. Let them all battle it out. I just wouldn’t pay Pierre Garçon much to be one. 

I definitely don’t think he will cost much or have a lot of options, which is why I brought it up. I still maintain those that will demand $ and have options will not come to Buffalo. I’m speaking of the vet WR market only here. So knowing how many WRs need to be at TC (last year we brought 13) and that we can’t and shouldn’t add only rookies, it’s a guy who may get a look from this team. I have no doubt he would have to battle for a roster spot at this point. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[PetermansRedemption]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I definitely don’t think he will cost much or have a lot of options, which is why I brought it up. I still maintain those that will demand $ and have options will not come to Buffalo. I’m speaking of the vet WR market only here. So knowing how many WRs need to be at TC (last year we brought 13) and that we can’t and shouldn’t add only rookies, it’s a guy who may get a look from this team. I have no doubt he would have to battle for a roster spot at this point. 

Then absolutely sign me up for Pierre Garçon 

[TigerJ]

He's 32.  I wouldn't want to give him a long term deal, but he can still be productive as a 4th receiver.  I wouldn't offer him a lot, but a reasonably priced contract for a year or two could mean strong positive leadership in the locker room and a mentor for the rest of the group.

[Freddie's Dead]

59 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Not “waiter”?

 

I call him Peter Waiter

 

Or "Peter Boy".  Both names pretty cringe-worthy.

[John from Riverside]

I think a vet guy in our WR room (that can actually still play a bit) would be a good idea.......

 

Tate was my first choice on this.....but we really need to address it in the draft so maybe a less expensive guy?

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think a vet guy in our WR room (that can actually still play a bit) would be a good idea.......

 

Tate was my first choice on this.....but we really need to address it in the draft so maybe a less expensive guy?

 

Same here, but I really believe Beane will bring in an older vet to help Josh.

A motivated veteran WR is definitely a good way to go.

Garcon would be on that list, I just think not on top. 

[ctk232]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He shouldn’t be in huge demand given his age and injury history and that’s why I think he might be a guy who they could bring in if he’s open to it. The vet WR market is going to be a very tough nut to crack for the Bills this year. That is just reality. And people forget that we need to bring 90 guys to camp. No one is saying he’s going to be our #1 or even 2 or 3 WR. But they cannot add all rookies. He can still play and if healthy can certainly contribute for a year or 2. 

Exactly - right now, our most veteran receiver (outside of Deonte) would be Duke. I'm not sure Deonte provides the veteran role in the corps that Garcon could potentially provide. But all within reasonable context - no one should expect Garcon to fill a #1 role, but for the right price could easily provide greater upside and guidance to the existing group of WRs. 

 

I'm not sure he'll command a large amount, but for the right price I wouldn't mind seeing this happen.

[YoloinOhio]

43 minutes ago, ctk232 said:

Exactly - right now, our most veteran receiver (outside of Deonte) would be Duke. I'm not sure Deonte provides the veteran role in the corps that Garcon could potentially provide. But all within reasonable context - no one should expect Garcon to fill a #1 role, but for the right price could easily provide greater upside and guidance to the existing group of WRs. 

 

I'm not sure he'll command a large amount, but for the right price I wouldn't mind seeing this happen.

 Plus, Deonte is a UFA. Not sure if he will even be re-signed. Here are the WRs currently on the roster:

 

Zay Jones

Robert Foster

Da’Mari Scott

Victor Bolden, Jr

isaiah McKenzie

Ray-Ray McCloud

Cam Phillips

Duke Williams 

 

they need a talent infusion, yes. They also need a veteran, badly. These are all young players. Very little experience. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[yungmack]

Jerry Rice is available.

[Rc2catch]

I’ve never been a big fan of Garçon. I’m still holding out some hope more vets are released. I wouldn’t jump on the “fire everyone” bandwagon if they signed him up on a 1-2 year team friendly deal. 

Ya never know we may see an influx of vets released soon. Possibilities like Sanu, D-Jax or maybe even Marvin Jones etc etc.. But Garçon does fit that vet need, depending on the route OBD is taking he may be a good get for them