Kirby Jackson Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Just like CJ Spiller was. Still of the mindset that a first round RB for a team with as many needs as the Bills have is stupidity.... find it hard to believe that a RB will be BPA when Bills pick. Don’t forget that the Panthers took Williams, Stewart and McCaffrey in round 1. Whether it’s a good idea or not is different than it being a possibility. It is certainly possible. 15 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Are we really talking about drafting a guy who was only the third leading rusher on his college team (and worse YPC than the other 2 as well) in the first round? Really? Seriously? I don't care how good he supposedly is, if he was that good he would have led his team in rushing or at worst be a close second. I mean, this is no Thurman and Barry situation. Not necessarily true, it’s a skill set that you are looking for not stats. Look no further than our own Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, mannc said: With Kareem Hunt available for free, this would be absolutely unforgivable. ...problem is he was cut when the video went public and the Chiefs alleged he lied about the incident when questioned back in February.....pretty sure the NFL conducted an investigation back then and it was mute only to have them reopen the wound when video surfaced.....had the clown told the truth back in February, maybe he gets a 1 or 2 game club suspension for "conduct detrimental" and it's a done deal then......yet "stupid is as stupid does" by lying prevails which IMO, would NEVER fit the famed "process".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianb386 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I think Daboll's input would be valued if they were trying to choose between a guy he knows and another player he does not. I don't believe he has enough clout to influence them to pick a running back in rd 1 when I don't believe they would otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This staff just strikes me as not being the type to draft a RB that high. I could be completely wrong though. I'm curious. What exactly tells you that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaSquad Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The only thing that would bother me is a defensive player. I’m fine with a RB. We need players on offense. I agree. All offense please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Jacobs sure looks like a beast. An elite RB could take a lot of pressure off Allen. I would love to see him in a Bills uniform. However, I would only want to see this if Jacobs was taken after 1st taking an OT in a trade down and then moving back into the 1st to get Jacobs and also adding a FA center, a FA right guard, and possibly a FA right tackle. This team will be crap and Josh Allen won't last without a top OL. Edited January 23, 2019 by PIZ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsfanAZ said: Even the best RB's cannot run through closed doors. The Bills need to address the Oline in free agency or the draft before thinking about RB. they can do both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Are we really talking about drafting a guy who was only the third leading rusher on his college team (and worse YPC than the other 2 as well) in the first round? Really? Seriously? I don't care how good he supposedly is, if he was that good he would have led his team in rushing or at worst be a close second. I mean, this is no Thurman and Barry situation. Thanks for the voice of reason! In what sort of f#*$%@ math does RB#3 on a college team = NFL pick #9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: At this point, for this team, I’m not even sure I would take Saquon Barkley at 9. No offensive line yet. He better be a very very good pass catching back. Still, would much rather sign Leveon Bell to a huge contract than draft a RB I’m tbe 1st. I thought Barkley should have gone #1 to Cleveland and then they take a QB at #4. Barkley is special , at 9 would have been a steal. Giants totally did the right thing getting him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 As long as we sign RT Darryl Williams, C Matt Paradies, and a guard such as Ramon Foster or others, a TE and a WR along with resigning Jordan Phillips and maybe Jordan Mills, could we even consider a RB in the first round. No matter how good a RB is he would have no chance behind the sorry a** line we put on the field last year. It would be like spraying 500 an oz perfume on a full septic tank. Even if we sign all the above I don't think he is the BPA with the 9th or whatever pick we have after any trades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: Disagree. Considering where the Giants are at with Eli, you can't pass up a QB there. Thankfully they did. I don't know the free agent QB's on the horizon, if there is a good one, I'm sure the Giants would be an attractive destination. Just thought Barkley was someone not to pass up. I may be wrong, but he's special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, njbuff said: With Daboll as OC and with him knowing Jacobs and the all around talent that Jacobs is.................... this might very well be the target of this organization come the first round of April's draft. I only mention this because of how upset people will be around here if the Bills make RB a first round priority. We shall see, as we still have the whole draft process to go thru. If Jacobs is BPA they will but there are some pretty good Defenders at the top of this draft. 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The only thing that would bother me is a defensive player. I’m fine with a RB. We need players on offense. We need to replace our retired ProBowl DT. BPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 There’s is literally a 0% chance the Bills draft a RB at the top of round 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I don’t believe this will happen, but IF it did, it would mean they are so excited about him, they are willing to overlook critical needs elsewhere. If nothing else, it would get me excited about the player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I'm just praying a good QB is there when we pick at 9, and some team is desperate to get them and we get a trade back and another 2nd rounder + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: I'm just praying a good QB is there when we pick at 9, and some team is desperate to get them and we get a trade back and another 2nd rounder + Me too. I would like to take a RB high and I think the only way they do is if they garner some extra capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, dubs said: There’s is literally a 0% chance the Bills draft a RB at the top of round 1. No, but we could trade down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, klos63 said: I don't know the free agent QB's on the horizon, if there is a good one, I'm sure the Giants would be an attractive destination. Just thought Barkley was someone not to pass up. I may be wrong, but he's special. I agree, I think he is and they will just take a QB this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I would pretty much NEVER take a RB in the first round, let alone top 10. Short careers and more interchangeable than other positions. Phillip Lindsay was damn near as good as Saquon Barkley. Top 3 backs in the league are Gurley, Zeke, and Barkley. McCaffrey is great but wouldn't call him a RB. I'd MAYBE take one of these guys in the top 10. Unless you think Jacobs is going to be a SUPERSTAR, there's no way you consider him at 9. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, 1st&ten said: This would be like a CJ Spiller pick, when we have more pressing needs. He had two young productive rbs when we made that pick. We have an aging rb who’s afraid of contact, this is nothing like the spiller pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: That makes it almost worth it!!! ? And I agree, don’t eliminate anyone due to position, other than maybe QB at this point. Find your stud. For maximum board entertainment, they need to trade up for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: The problem with the Spiller pick was more that he wasn't as good as they thought he was - not because they already had Lynch (whom they had grown very tired of). I see it more as a missed evaluation rather than a logical flaw. Every team misses on some picks - even high ones. Did they have a guy named Fred Jackson ?? 7 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: He had two young productive rbs when we made that pick. We have an aging rb who’s afraid of contact, this is nothing like the spiller pick Very solid RB's can be found in Rd's 2---5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: For maximum board entertainment, they need to trade up for him. In that scenario, FIRE EVERYONE is no longer a joke!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I would pretty much NEVER take a RB in the first round, let alone top 10. Short careers and more interchangeable than other positions. Phillip Lindsay was damn near as good as Saquon Barkley. Top 3 backs in the league are Gurley, Zeke, and Barkley. McCaffrey is great but wouldn't call him a RB. I'd MAYBE take one of these guys in the top 10. Unless you think Jacobs is going to be a SUPERSTAR, there's no way you consider him at 9. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, klos63 said: Why not? Nice catch. I honestly had no idea he racked up 1000 yards rushing. He can pretty much do it all so I'll just go ahead and add him to the top 4. I would still be hesitant to take a RB in the top 10 because it's so rare to find a true difference maker. While those 4 are the best, Phillip Lindsay, an UDFA, wasn't far behind Barkley in terms of production. Like I said, a RB damn well better be a SUPERSTAR if you take him in the top 10. And yes, more so than other positions considering the interchangeability, short careers, and plenty of other ways to get a really good one. Edited January 24, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...problem is he was cut when the video went public and the Chiefs alleged he lied about the incident when questioned back in February.....pretty sure the NFL conducted an investigation back then and it was mute only to have them reopen the wound when video surfaced.....had the clown told the truth back in February, maybe he gets a 1 or 2 game club suspension for "conduct detrimental" and it's a done deal then......yet "stupid is as stupid does" by lying prevails which IMO, would NEVER fit the famed "process".... I’m not sure what all this means, but my original point still stands...No RB in the first round, especially when (arguably) the best back in the league is available for nothing. 1 hour ago, klos63 said: I thought Barkley should have gone #1 to Cleveland and then they take a QB at #4. Barkley is special , at 9 would have been a steal. Giants totally did the right thing getting him. No. They did not. The Giants could have gotten essentially the same production by taking Phillip Lindsey in round 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, njbuff said: RB is a need and we don't know if McBeane is on the Jacobs love train or not. It will be interesting to see how the Bills go after another RB. I do believe they will via the Draft. But i feel they want to add picks agin' but for the early rounds. Players they feel can get on the field immediately and others who they hope to shine in camp and push the roster quality upward. tough year for them as the desire to add so much for need stresses the BPA mentality on Offense. beside QB : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Radar said: wide receiver in first round will be soooo Bills dumb. Julio Jones, AJ Green, Calvin Ridley, Mike Evans, Deandre Hopkins would devastate us ? Edited January 24, 2019 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: i believe this would be the least popular choice position wise other than qb in the first round. any other position i believe you could make a case. Some positions stronger than others. How'd that work for the Giants. and would we do just as well with CJ Anderson platooning ? Need one to move on from Shady M. and this year is a great year to invest in a rookie. just not this high. Some one will want him though. Maybe we find a trade down : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Don’t forget that the Panthers took Williams, Stewart and McCaffrey in round 1. Whether it’s a good idea or not is different than it being a possibility. It is certainly possible. Not necessarily true, it’s a skill set that you are looking for not stats. Look no further than our own Josh Allen What are the odds of Tom Brady leaving his wife to take up with Rosie O'Donnell? Those are the same odds that the Bills will use a first round pick on a back. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=rosie+o'donnell&FORM=IARRTH&ufn=rosie+o'donnell&stid=6ee3c41d-3f08-f533-2899-a51c8718335e&cbn=EntityAnswer&cbi=0&FORM=IARRTH 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, klos63 said: I don't know the free agent QB's on the horizon, if there is a good one, I'm sure the Giants would be an attractive destination. Just thought Barkley was someone not to pass up. I may be wrong, but he's special. would not question that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, JohnC said: What are the odds of Tom Brady leaving his wife to take up with Rosie O'Donnell? Those are the same odds that the Bills will use a first round pick on a back. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=rosie+o'donnell&FORM=IARRTH&ufn=rosie+o'donnell&stid=6ee3c41d-3f08-f533-2899-a51c8718335e&cbn=EntityAnswer&cbi=0&FORM=IARRTH I know you want to believe that but listen to the GM and look at his background. His old boss took a back at 2 last year. These guys believe in that and the most trusted in the scouting community are falling in love with Jacobs. Miller and Jeremiah are two of my favorites and they are both extremely high on him. I don’t think it’s likely but this crew has drafted backs early, often. It absolutely isn’t impossible. A back is high on their needs list as it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I don’t believe this will happen, but IF it did, it would mean they are so excited about him, they are willing to overlook critical needs elsewhere. If nothing else, it would get me excited about the player. Or concerned the staff has no self discipline ! : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm curious. What exactly tells you that? It’s that they don’t believe in splashy, big budget free agent signings. They believe is pieces. It’s too prudent an approach to draft a RB that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, njbuff said: With Daboll as OC and with him knowing Jacobs and the all around talent that Jacobs is.................... this might very well be the target of this organization come the first round of April's draft. I only mention this because of how upset people will be around here if the Bills make RB a first round priority. We shall see, as we still have the whole draft process to go thru. Be surprised, be very surprised. Nothing's impossible but he's unlikely to be the BPA there. And if he is, they might easily look to trade back. Edited January 24, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 52 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: He had two young productive rbs when we made that pick. We have an aging rb who’s afraid of contact, this is nothing like the spiller pick 8 minutes ago, JohnC said: What are the odds of Tom Brady leaving his wife to take up with Rosie O'Donnell? Those are the same odds that the Bills will use a first round pick on a back. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=rosie+o'donnell&FORM=IARRTH&ufn=rosie+o'donnell&stid=6ee3c41d-3f08-f533-2899-a51c8718335e&cbn=EntityAnswer&cbi=0&FORM=IARRTH is this a rhetorical question . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know you want to believe that but listen to the GM and look at his background. His old boss took a back at 2 last year. These guys believe in that and the most trusted in the scouting community are falling in love with Jacobs. Miller and Jeremiah are two of my favorites and they are both extremely high on him. I don’t think it’s likely but this crew has drafted backs early, often. It absolutely isn’t impossible. A back is high on their needs list as it is. I have no doubt that scouts are raving about this back. But he is not going to be rated in the top ten where we are drafting. Even if he is rated that high it is still unlikely that McBeane would use it for a back. It would make no sense for us. It might make sense for a team that has a fuller roster and more robust OL. But from where we are drafting and considering our priority needs I just don't see it. If a highly touted back was on the board when we were drafting in the second round I would be receptive to taking a prime time back. But it makes little sense where we are currently drafting. If the Bills traded down and accumulated additional picks I would be more receptive to the possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm curious. What exactly tells you that? He probably doesnt feel the Value is there. I do believe with a back like Barkley the value is there. But there arent a ton of those every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 FWIW, before hating it let’s learn a little about the player. This is my plea for the entire draft season to all of us. These guys have drafted well. That’s an area where they have earned some trust. Before we fall in love or hate a player let’s at least know the player. This way we can discuss the pros and cons at a much deeper level. https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/12/19/5-play-prospect-rb-joshua-jacobs/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: is this a rhetorical question . No. It's about odds and probability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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