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Daniel Wise, DT Kansas

His dad played in NFL  and bro in league now. A quick 3T replacement for Kyle.  Could use one of our 5th rounders on him.   Captain and 4 yr player that McBeane look for.  Looked good in East West game yday.  

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4 hours ago, TigerJ said:

I agree with that.  I suppose everybody has their own definition.  I have a hard time considering anybody picked in the first couple rounds as a sleeper.

 

As you said it's subjective a 5th round pick that starts is a sleeper.  I consider Tre' White a sleeper pick.  

 

So for the sake of this thread it should be more clearly defined that you're only looking for Antonio Brown type of picks. 

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On 1/19/2019 at 3:33 PM, TigerJ said:

I think one of the fun activities of the pre draft process is to identify potential sleepers, guys who might be picked up in the third round or later with a chance to blossom into a solid football  player or maybe even a star.

 

At this point one guy who has caught my attention is Jazz Ferguson.  He is a 6'5" 225 lb wide receiver from Northwestern State (Louisiana).  He brother, Jaylon Ferguson is also part of the upcoming draft as a WR.  He could be drafted in round 1.  Jazz transfered from LSU because of academics and a failed drug test.  He got his life straightened out, got his grades up and turned into a star at a lower level of competition.  He didn't have much of a route tree at Northwestern State, but he's athletic, excellent hands, and following his sophomore wakeup call has turned into a leader and dedicated football player.

 

So, who's your sleeper pick?

 

Alex Barr from ND, OG

Boykin WR ND

 

have a lot more 

38 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

A lot of those are 1st and second round picks not really sleepers

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15 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Miles Boykin-WR Notre Dame

 

I have been looking at the big WRs as that is what is missing from the Bills WR group and Hakeem Butler gets the most talk but Boykin is of the same type and he may be special in that role too.  Anohter is Jalen Hurd of Baylor who was a 4 star RB recruit toTennesee and transferred to Baylor.  It's an odd path to the NFL and a knee injury kept him from testing much at the combine.  Here is how Joe Marino described him as a prospect:  Jalen Hurd from The Draft Network.

 

RED FLAGS - Procedure on knee in December kept him out of pre-draft process.  

It’s not often a four-star running back recruit in the SEC ends up a wide receiver in the Big Twelve and enters the NFL as a wide receiver prospect but that’s the case with Hurd. For a prospect with only one season of game experience at receiver, there are some components of Hurd’s game that looks like he’s new to the position while others that appear he’s been doing it his whole life. Developing route running nuance, particularly in his releases is critical. From a hands/ball skills perspective, Hurd is sound. In the right offense, Hurd has the potential to be a versatile offensive weapon that can handle numerous duties.

Round Grade - Mid Day 3 Value

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Okay I have pretty much finalised my grading work for this draft so here are my sleepers. Some are mid round guys on whom the consensus is lower some are late round fliers.

 

TE Josh Oliver, San Jose State

Consensus: 3rd-4th rounder

On my board: 2nd rounder

I think this guy could end up being the best tight end in this class. He has terrific size and speed for the position, and good hands and a big catch radius. Runs routes (basically a full tree) and separates better than some of the highly regard receivers in this class and while his blocking technique needs some work he shows no lack of willingness or desire to block and can win physically.

 

S Malik Gant, Marshall

Consensus: 5th rounder

On my board: 3rd rounder

Former walk on at Marshall who later earned a scholarship. All effort on every play. Bit of a throwback in the sense that when he hits he properly hits. Goes downhill better than he backpedals but he has decent ball skills and can play special teams.

 

WR Alex Wesley, Northern Colorado

Consensus: UDFA

On my board: 6th-7th rounder

I was intrigued by this kid’s combine workouts and went off and managed to find a couple of bits of film on the internet. He has obviously played against low end competition but he is an intriguing slot/gadget guy with excellent speed and shiftiness. Also runs down field and hits on special teams. I’d be willing to throw a late round pick at him.

 

DT Cortez Broughton, Cincinnati

Consensus: 4th-5th rounder

On my board: 3rd rounder

Has started to generate some major buzz the last few weeks and may end up going earlier than a lot of people expected. A little undersized as a defensive tackle but so explosive off the ball it is frightening. Needs to improve his technique when he gets there to shed blockers and finish plays but his potential is sky high.

 

ILB, Tyrel Dodson, Texas A&M

Consensus: 7th round / UDFA

On my board: 4th rounder

A little undersized but a fast, instinctive linebacker who can cover and provides some pass rush upside. Feel like he is an outside off the ball linebacker in the NFL and he just screams out a fit for Sean McDermott’s scheme. Groomed as a long term replacement for Lorenzo as the SAM?

 

S, Chris Johnson, North Alabama

Consensus: UDFA

On my board: 5th-6th rounder

Big, fast, instinctive, ball skills, this guy was a star of the East-West Shrine Game and has sky high potential. Needs to be smoother in and out of breaks and with changes of direction in order to shadow receivers and could improve his tackling technique but as a developmental guy there is talent here.

 

DE, Jordan Brailford, Oklahoma State

Consensus: 5th-6th rounder

My board: 4th rounder

Strong, well balanced with the speed to power conversion that teams look for. When he gets there he is a ferocious finisher at the point of contact. Needs to improve his range of pass rush moves (at the moment it is bull rush or nothing) but has early value as a sub package pass rusher and can develop from there.  

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19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Stanley Morgan, Jr

One of the best WR prospects in the draft IMO

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7 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

He's going to be such a solid pro

I feel like a team like the Chargers is going to take him in like the 6th rd and he will step in and replace Tyrell Williams immediately 

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56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Okay I have pretty much finalised my grading work for this draft so here are my sleepers. Some are mid round guys on whom the consensus is lower some are late round fliers.

 

TE Josh Oliver, San Diego State

Consensus: 3rd-4th rounder

On my board: 2nd rounder

I think this guy could end up being the best tight end in this class. He has terrific size and speed for the position, and good hands and a big catch radius. Runs routes (basically a full tree) and separates better than some of the highly regard receivers in this class and while his blocking technique needs some work he shows no lack of willingness or desire to block and can win physically.

 

S Malik Gant, Marshall

Consensus: 5th rounder

On my board: 3rd rounder

Former walk on at Marshall who later earned a scholarship. All effort on every play. Bit of a throwback in the sense that when he hits he properly hits. Goes downhill better than he backpedals but he has decent ball skills and can play special teams.

 

WR Alex Wesley, Northern Colorado

Consensus: UDFA

On my board: 6th-7th rounder

I was intrigued by this kid’s combine workouts and went off and managed to find a couple of bits of film on the internet. He has obviously played against low end competition but he is an intriguing slot/gadget guy with excellent speed and shiftiness. Also runs down field and hits on special teams. I’d be willing to throw a late round pick at him.

 

DT Cortez Broughton, Cincinnati

Consensus: 4th-5th rounder

On my board: 3rd rounder

Has started to generate some major buzz the last few weeks and may end up going earlier than a lot of people expected. A little undersized as a defensive tackle but so explosive off the ball it is frightening. Needs to improve his technique when he gets there to shed blockers and finish plays but his potential is sky high.

 

ILB, Tyrel Dodson, Texas A&M

Consensus: 7th round / UDFA

On my board: 4th rounder

A little undersized but a fast, instinctive linebacker who can cover and provides some pass rush upside. Feel like he is an outside off the ball linebacker in the NFL and he just screams out a fit for Sean McDermott’s scheme. Groomed as a long term replacement for Lorenzo as the SAM?

 

S, Chris Johnson, North Alabama

Consensus: UDFA

On my board: 5th-6th rounder

Big, fast, instinctive, ball skills, this guy was a star of the East-West Shrine Game and has sky high potential. Needs to be smoother in and out of breaks and with changes of direction in order to shadow receivers and could improve his tackling technique but as a developmental guy there is talent here.

 

DE, Jordan Brailford, Oklahoma State

Consensus: 5th-6th rounder

My board: 4th rounder

Strong, well balanced with the speed to power conversion that teams look for. When he gets there he is a ferocious finisher at the point of contact. Needs to improve his range of pass rush moves (at the moment it is bull rush or nothing) but has early value as a sub package pass rusher and can develop from there.  

 

Oliver (from San Jose State) is interesting. I will look more at him.  Seems to be in the same category as Kahale Warring of SDSU as far as being a 3rd/4th round guy.  I would like some combination of TE/WR/RB/DL/Edge in the first 5 picks.  If they can get two of their picks upgraded into the the top 100, they could actually get 5 candidates to make the roster.  If not Hockensen, then a TE like Warring/Sternberger/Oliver wwould be in the mix.

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Julian Love CB Fighting Irish. He didn't have a great combine but the guy is really good in man coverage if you watched him play in college. When the Irish played Clemson he being injured early in that game hampered ND quite a bit. I think he might drop a bit we'll see.

and yes I do home hard for Domer players I think Boykin WR would be killer in a Bills uniform too, great hands, runs great routes and had an excellent combine 4.42 40 and highest vertical leap of any WR

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14 minutes ago, muppy said:

Julian Love CB Fighting Irish. He didn't have a great combine but the guy is really good in man coverage if you watched him play in college. When the Irish played Clemson he being injured early in that game hampered ND quite a bit. I think he might drop a bit we'll see.

and yes I do home hard for Domer players I think Boykin WR would be killer in a Bills uniform too, great hands, runs great routes and had an excellent combine 4.42 40 and highest vertical leap of any WR

I could see the Bills taking him. I believe they will take a CB somewhere and they scouted ND live multiple times 

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20 minutes ago, muppy said:

Julian Love CB Fighting Irish. He didn't have a great combine but the guy is really good in man coverage if you watched him play in college. When the Irish played Clemson he being injured early in that game hampered ND quite a bit. I think he might drop a bit we'll see.

and yes I do home hard for Domer players I think Boykin WR would be killer in a Bills uniform too, great hands, runs great routes and had an excellent combine 4.42 40 and highest vertical leap of any WR

 

You stay away from my boy J-Love! That's my draft crush, and nobody is going to steal him from me now!

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

 

I haven't done nearly the draft work that you or others have done...........but I can't do a mock draft without taking Josh Oliver because he's always there in round 3 or 4..........the sweet spot for value at TE..........I just feel good about that guys game sorta' the way I did with Tre White.    I think he's going to be really good.   

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4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I haven't done nearly the draft work that you or others have done...........but I can't do a mock draft without taking Josh Oliver because he's always there in round 3 or 4..........the sweet spot for value at TE..........I just feel good about that guys game sorta' the way I did with Tre White.    I think he's going to be really good.   

 

Me too. I'd not be adverse to trading back into the bottom of round 2 if he is still there. Think he has the highest ceiling of TEs in this draft.

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Christian Miller - OLB - Alabama

 

Miller is an unusual player in that he has a low floor and a very high ceiling. He is more of a pass rusher than anything else and he truly does get off the LOS in a heartbeat. The kid is 6'4;" I have seen him listed at 247 but he appears to be lighter to me.

 

If he puts on some weight and muscle he could develop (imo of course) into a great pass rusher. If not, the possibility of him getting shoved around by strong OTs does exist.

 

Miller is a very smart kid, and there is video on you tube of him running around an OT, grabbing Kyler Murray, and tossing him like a frisbee in the playoffs.

 

He is a gamble, but easily worth a 3rd imo.

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15 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Christian Miller - OLB - Alabama

 

Miller is an unusual player in that he has a low floor and a very high ceiling. He is more of a pass rusher than anything else and he truly does get off the LOS in a heartbeat. The kid is 6'4;" I have seen him listed at 247 but he appears to be lighter to me.

 

If he puts on some weight and muscle he could develop (imo of course) into a great pass rusher. If not, the possibility of him getting shoved around by strong OTs does exist.

 

Miller is a very smart kid, and there is video on you tube of him running around an OT, grabbing Kyler Murray, and tossing him like a frisbee in the playoffs.

 

He is a gamble, but easily worth a 3rd imo.

  

 

I agree he has a high ceiling as a pass rusher.  Doesn't really project to LB in a 4-3......he looked particularly out of place in some of those combine drills for OBLB's........ and a little small for a 4-3 DE but he has the look of a pass rusher and frame to grow some.   I know Newsome is gone but he just looks like one of those guys the Ravens steal and then build up into a high producer.

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Okay I have pretty much finalised my grading work for this draft so here are my sleepers. Some are mid round guys on whom the consensus is lower some are late round fliers.

 

TE Josh Oliver, San Diego State

Consensus: 3rd-4th rounder

On my board: 2nd rounder

I think this guy could end up being the best tight end in this class. He has terrific size and speed for the position, and good hands and a big catch radius. Runs routes (basically a full tree) and separates better than some of the highly regard receivers in this class and while his blocking technique needs some work he shows no lack of willingness or desire to block and can win physically.

 

S Malik Gant, Marshall

Consensus: 5th rounder

On my board: 3rd rounder

Former walk on at Marshall who later earned a scholarship. All effort on every play. Bit of a throwback in the sense that when he hits he properly hits. Goes downhill better than he backpedals but he has decent ball skills and can play special teams.

 

WR Alex Wesley, Northern Colorado

Consensus: UDFA

On my board: 6th-7th rounder

I was intrigued by this kid’s combine workouts and went off and managed to find a couple of bits of film on the internet. He has obviously played against low end competition but he is an intriguing slot/gadget guy with excellent speed and shiftiness. Also runs down field and hits on special teams. I’d be willing to throw a late round pick at him.

 

DT Cortez Broughton, Cincinnati

Consensus: 4th-5th rounder

On my board: 3rd rounder

Has started to generate some major buzz the last few weeks and may end up going earlier than a lot of people expected. A little undersized as a defensive tackle but so explosive off the ball it is frightening. Needs to improve his technique when he gets there to shed blockers and finish plays but his potential is sky high.

 

ILB, Tyrel Dodson, Texas A&M

Consensus: 7th round / UDFA

On my board: 4th rounder

A little undersized but a fast, instinctive linebacker who can cover and provides some pass rush upside. Feel like he is an outside off the ball linebacker in the NFL and he just screams out a fit for Sean McDermott’s scheme. Groomed as a long term replacement for Lorenzo as the SAM?

 

S, Chris Johnson, North Alabama

Consensus: UDFA

On my board: 5th-6th rounder

Big, fast, instinctive, ball skills, this guy was a star of the East-West Shrine Game and has sky high potential. Needs to be smoother in and out of breaks and with changes of direction in order to shadow receivers and could improve his tackling technique but as a developmental guy there is talent here.

 

DE, Jordan Brailford, Oklahoma State

Consensus: 5th-6th rounder

My board: 4th rounder

Strong, well balanced with the speed to power conversion that teams look for. When he gets there he is a ferocious finisher at the point of contact. Needs to improve his range of pass rush moves (at the moment it is bull rush or nothing) but has early value as a sub package pass rusher and can develop from there.  

Oliver is one of my favorite tight end picks in the draft.  I feel like he is a well rounded TE with plenty of athleticism. Hockenson is more polished and played at a higher level of competition, but I think Oliver's upside is comparable.

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