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10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

  

 

I agree he has a high ceiling as a pass rusher.  Doesn't really project to LB in a 4-3......he looked particularly out of place in some of those combine drills for OBLB's........ and a little small for a 4-3 DE but he has the look of a pass rusher and frame to grow some.   I know Newsome is gone but he just looks like one of those guys the Ravens steal and then build up into a high producer.

 

Agree 100% with this on Miller.

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29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

  

 

I agree he has a high ceiling as a pass rusher.  Doesn't really project to LB in a 4-3......he looked particularly out of place in some of those combine drills for OBLB's........ and a little small for a 4-3 DE but he has the look of a pass rusher and frame to grow some.   I know Newsome is gone but he just looks like one of those guys the Ravens steal and then build up into a high producer.

I know what you mean wrt Newsome. It would be crazy if he went to the Skins!!!

 

I have seen every game Miller has played and really did notice steady improvement. He never played on a bad defense, the talent around him was consistent but did not improve from season to season as Miller did.

 

Would a kid like this be an asset in Nickel Packages? I am thinking that he wouldn't have many coverage responsibilities in a nickel and could just go after quarterbacks.

 

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Just now, Bill from NYC said:

I know what you mean wrt Newsome. It would be crazy if he went to the Skins!!!

 

I have seen every game Miller has played and really did notice steady improvement. He never played on a bad defense, the talent around him was consistent but did not improve from season to season but Miller did.

 

Would a kid like this be an asset in Nickel Packages? I am thinking that he wouldn't have many coverage responsibilities in a nickel and could just go after quarterbacks.

 

I like this thought .. a lot

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On 1/19/2019 at 9:05 PM, White Linen said:

 

Yes.  There's several WR's projected to go before him and I think he becomes the best WR in this class.  

 

Anything else?

Me too. I really think he is the Odell Beckham of this draft at WR. Dudes incredible. I wouldn’t say he’s a sleeper. I think he’ll be the 3-5th best WR picked. Probably by the beginning to middle of the 2nd round. 

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I’m a sucker for skill positions. So I’ll stick with RB and WR

 

Henderson- may be a sleeper. But I’ve done so many mocks and keep seeing him be the number 1 off the board (except Jacobs) as early as the late 2nd. I still think the kid can fly and will be very good. 

 

Holyfield- he’s another one. Kid has very good size imo. Could shed a little weight and be perfect for an NFL back. He’s a 4th rounder or 5th and he’d be a steal. 

 

LJ Scott- I know some have warned me on this kid. I don’t care. I know what I see. The kid should be a 3rd day pick and will be an absolute stud in the league assuming he’s put in the right position with the right team. 

 

Wrs is similar. I’d say Harmon, Butler, Hall, Ridley all have potential to be not only good WRs in this league but could turn out being the best of the group above all the rest. Butler and Hall are considered 2nd round guys so they are much of a sleeper pick, but if they dominate, they would be. Harmon and Ridley are more like 3rd and 4th round picks and could be just as good. 

 

Well I’ll all see soon enough. 

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1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I know what you mean wrt Newsome. It would be crazy if he went to the Skins!!!

 

I have seen every game Miller has played and really did notice steady improvement. He never played on a bad defense, the talent around him was consistent but did not improve from season to season as Miller did.

 

Would a kid like this be an asset in Nickel Packages? I am thinking that he wouldn't have many coverage responsibilities in a nickel and could just go after quarterbacks.

 

 

 

I don't see him fitting with the Bills system well enough for them to draft him as early as he is likely to go(3rd round?).    I see him kinda' like an Aaron Lynch type.........it could take him a few years to grow into a 4-3 DE and bulking him up just might negate some of the natural pass rush traits.    And in the meantime the Bills would be vulnerable to the run with him at DE and the pass with him at OLB.    Hard to hide him as a situational rusher in a system where the DE's rotate as heavily as well.

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On 1/19/2019 at 5:18 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...his old man is Evander Holyfield the boxer...........interesting............

Good stock

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A guy I saw on three occasions that I thought was very good is ILB Germaine Pratt (NC STATE). I don't know if he is rated a 2nd rounder or an UDFA but he looks like he could be a good player for us. Any thoughts from Draftniks ?  Didn't read all pages to see if he was already mentioned ---> too lazy

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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Okay I have pretty much finalised my grading work for this draft so here are my sleepers. Some are mid round guys on whom the consensus is lower some are late round fliers.

 

TE Josh Oliver, San Diego State

Consensus: 3rd-4th rounder

On my board: 2nd rounder

I think this guy could end up being the best tight end in this class. He has terrific size and speed for the position, and good hands and a big catch radius. Runs routes (basically a full tree) and separates better than some of the highly regard receivers in this class and while his blocking technique needs some work he shows no lack of willingness or desire to block and can win physically.

 

S Malik Gant, Marshall

Consensus: 5th rounder

On my board: 3rd rounder

Former walk on at Marshall who later earned a scholarship. All effort on every play. Bit of a throwback in the sense that when he hits he properly hits. Goes downhill better than he backpedals but he has decent ball skills and can play special teams.

 

WR Alex Wesley, Northern Colorado

Consensus: UDFA

On my board: 6th-7th rounder

I was intrigued by this kid’s combine workouts and went off and managed to find a couple of bits of film on the internet. He has obviously played against low end competition but he is an intriguing slot/gadget guy with excellent speed and shiftiness. Also runs down field and hits on special teams. I’d be willing to throw a late round pick at him.

 

DT Cortez Broughton, Cincinnati

Consensus: 4th-5th rounder

On my board: 3rd rounder

Has started to generate some major buzz the last few weeks and may end up going earlier than a lot of people expected. A little undersized as a defensive tackle but so explosive off the ball it is frightening. Needs to improve his technique when he gets there to shed blockers and finish plays but his potential is sky high.

 

ILB, Tyrel Dodson, Texas A&M

Consensus: 7th round / UDFA

On my board: 4th rounder

A little undersized but a fast, instinctive linebacker who can cover and provides some pass rush upside. Feel like he is an outside off the ball linebacker in the NFL and he just screams out a fit for Sean McDermott’s scheme. Groomed as a long term replacement for Lorenzo as the SAM?

 

S, Chris Johnson, North Alabama

Consensus: UDFA

On my board: 5th-6th rounder

Big, fast, instinctive, ball skills, this guy was a star of the East-West Shrine Game and has sky high potential. Needs to be smoother in and out of breaks and with changes of direction in order to shadow receivers and could improve his tackling technique but as a developmental guy there is talent here.

 

DE, Jordan Brailford, Oklahoma State

Consensus: 5th-6th rounder

My board: 4th rounder

Strong, well balanced with the speed to power conversion that teams look for. When he gets there he is a ferocious finisher at the point of contact. Needs to improve his range of pass rush moves (at the moment it is bull rush or nothing) but has early value as a sub package pass rusher and can develop from there.  

I wish you could spend a little more time on research !!! Thanks brother 

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33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I don't see him fitting with the Bills system well enough for them to draft him as early as he is likely to go(3rd round?).    I see him kinda' like an Aaron Lynch type.........it could take him a few years to grow into a 4-3 DE and bulking him up just might negate some of the natural pass rush traits.    And in the meantime the Bills would be vulnerable to the run with him at DE and the pass with him at OLB.    Hard to hide him as a situational rusher in a system where the DE's rotate as heavily as well.

Tell me, how does something like this fit into the BPA theory? In other words, would it be wise of the Bills to draft a less talented OLB than Miller in order to get a scheme player? This has often confused me.

Btw I have always preferred the Wade Phillips 3/4, but a team Really needs the right Nose in that formation. Does the "passing league" situation work against the 3/4 or does it not matter?

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1 hour ago, mrags said:

I’m a sucker for skill positions. So I’ll stick with RB and WR

 

Henderson- may be a sleeper. But I’ve done so many mocks and keep seeing him be the number 1 off the board (except Jacobs) as early as the late 2nd. I still think the kid can fly and will be very good. 

 

Holyfield- he’s another one. Kid has very good size imo. Could shed a little weight and be perfect for an NFL back. He’s a 4th rounder or 5th and he’d be a steal. 

 

LJ Scott- I know some have warned me on this kid. I don’t care. I know what I see. The kid should be a 3rd day pick and will be an absolute stud in the league assuming he’s put in the right position with the right team. 

 

Wrs is similar. I’d say Harmon, Butler, Hall, Ridley all have potential to be not only good WRs in this league but could turn out being the best of the group above all the rest. Butler and Hall are considered 2nd round guys so they are much of a sleeper pick, but if they dominate, they would be. Harmon and Ridley are more like 3rd and 4th round picks and could be just as good. 

 

Well I’ll all see soon enough. 

 

Really - Holyfield?  He will be lucky to be drafted.  If it weren't for his name, he wouldn't be talked about at all.  He is slow, stiff, and not instinctual - basically just a battering ram with a famous dad.

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QB: 

  • Ryan Finley -- great size, great arm, analytics bear out... If there's a later-round QB who goes on to become a success, it'll be Finley.

RB: 

  • David Montgomery -- only sort of a sleeper, but I think he's got Leveon Bell upside, probably goes in the 3rd or 4th rd
  • Rodney Anderson -- again, only a pseudo-sleeper, probably a day-2 guy... all depends on health, but uber talented
  • Ryquell Armstead -- small school kid with prototype size and athleticism... shows a lot of good traits on the field too.
  • Elijah Holyfield -- phenomenal feet, patience, power, balance and vision. 
  • James Williams -- won't be a feature back, but will be a high-end satellite back

WR: 

  • Deebo Samuel -- another pseudo sleeper, but my bet to be the most "underdrafted" wr of this group.
  • Mecole Hardman -- Looooooooove this kid, just wish we had a need for a dynamic slot guy.
  • Terry McLaurin -- Mecole Hardman Jr.
  • Stanley Morgan Jr. -- suuuuuper high floor, unfortunately (in my opinion) very limited ceiling -- will be a solid #2 guy for a long time in the league... just not what I think Buffalo needs
  • Antoine Wesley -- basically everything you're getting in a guy like Butler or Boykin, a couple rounds later. Won't become Randy Moss, but I could see him becoming Vincent Jackson... 

TE: 

  • Josh Oliver -- agree with everything that's been said about this kid. LOVE his game.
  • Caleb Wilson -- kid was one of the top TE prospects going into the year and disappeared... It's been a rough few years for UCLA and he looks way more athletic and dynamic on tape than his combine numbers suggest. Could be a late round or undrafted steal for someone.

OL: 

  • Nate Davis -- big, versatile, mean, more athletic than his size suggests
  • Tytus Howard -- probably will be drafted too high to be considered a true sleeper, but very good athlete with great measurables... definitely an intriguing project at the right price
  • Chuma Edoga -- tape ain't great, neither is the culture at USC, but was a highly ranked HS recruit, has great length and solid athleticism for the position... A lot of kids come from SC undeveloped and turn into good ballplayers, he could be one of them.

DL:

  • Justin Hollins -- complete project, and probably a rough fit for 43 DE, but phenomenal length and athleticism, great motor, smart kid and a relentless competitor... I'm betting on him outperforming his draft position in the right system
  • Joe Jackson -- just don't get why people are so low on him. Has the potential to be a top 3 guy at his position.
  • Byron Cowart -- there's a LOT to clean up for him physically and personally, but there's a diamond in there somewhere, and he's still super young and learning the DT position. Longer term project, but could lead to a reward in the right culture/system.
  • Khalen Saunders -- another maybe only pseudo sleeper, but sign me up for a guy his size that can do backflips on command...

DB: 

  • Ugo Amadi -- emotional leader of a tremendously improved Oregon defense. Do-it-all guy who's undersized, has a little honeybadger to his game.
  • Kendall Sheffield -- highly rated HS recruit who will need to redshirt due to injury. High character kid with a lot of solid CB measurables -- injury probably drops his stock below where he'll contribute when healthy.
  • Marvell Tell & Iman Marshall -- see Chuma Edoga... Great athletes, prototype size, underdeveloped.

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7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Really - Holyfield?  He will be lucky to be drafted.  If it weren't for his name, he wouldn't be talked about at all.  He is slow, stiff, and not instinctual - basically just a battering ram with a famous dad.

I am going to stop scouting Michael Jackson's son right now then. 

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9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Really - Holyfield?  He will be lucky to be drafted.  If it weren't for his name, he wouldn't be talked about at all.  He is slow, stiff, and not instinctual - basically just a battering ram with a famous dad.

Hey. You can believe what you want. You’re in the minority about Holyfield though 

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1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

Tell me, how does something like this fit into the BPA theory? In other words, would it be wise of the Bills to draft a less talented OLB than Miller in order to get a scheme player? This has often confused me.

Btw I have always preferred the Wade Phillips 3/4, but a team Really needs the right Nose in that formation. Does the "passing league" situation work against the 3/4 or does it not matter?

 

 

BPA definitely depends on your system.    I loved Phillips' 3-4 D..........switching out of it might have been the biggest reason the Bills slipped into mediocrity.    It had become their identity and it was easy for them to sustain........allowing them to focus elsewhere.   They have been chasing talent to fit their systems almost every year since.     

 

If anything,  changes in the league seem to have made it easier to stock a Wade Phillips D.   The definitions of positions aren't as rigid.    But it was also great in the 1990's because there was a seeming dearth of true 4-3 DE's coming out in every draft but meanwhile teams like the Bills and Pittsburgh could pick up quality edge players like Keith Newman or Greg Lloyd/Joey Porter in the 3rd round or later.    Or in free agency.

 

Now most of those 90's OLB's would fit as either 4-3 DE's or 3-4 OLB's..........but I don't think Miller does........he's a 3-4 only IMO.    

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17 minutes ago, mrags said:

Hey. You can believe what you want. You’re in the minority about Holyfield though 

He might e in the minority but he could probably beat him in the 40.

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56 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Good stock

 

...but he has BOTH ears.........

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1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...but he has BOTH ears.........

We can fix that- chomp chomp

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41 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

BPA definitely depends on your system.    I loved Phillips' 3-4 D..........switching out of it might have been the biggest reason the Bills slipped into mediocrity.    It had become their identity and it was easy for them to sustain........allowing them to focus elsewhere.   They have been chasing talent to fit their systems almost every year since.     

 

If anything,  changes in the league seem to have made it easier to stock a Wade Phillips D.   The definitions of positions aren't as rigid.    But it was also great in the 1990's because there was a seeming dearth of true 4-3 DE's coming out in every draft but meanwhile teams like the Bills and Pittsburgh could pick up quality edge players like Keith Newman or Greg Lloyd/Joey Porter in the 3rd round or later.    Or in free agency.

 

Now most of those 90's OLB's would fit as either 4-3 DE's or 3-4 OLB's..........but I don't think Miller does........he's a 3-4 only IMO.    

This is 100% true.

 

Back then many posters thought that Big Sam Adams could play nose because of his size but he absolutely could not (nor did he want to).  Otoh Ted Washington was like running into a brick wall, and if he wasn't doubled (or even tripled at times) he would even get the occasional sack.

 

And as far as LBs go, I heard Nick Saban say that some Bama linebackers that were stars years ago would not even be starters today. The difference is probably even wider in the NFL.

 

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5 hours ago, TigerJ said:

Oliver is one of my favorite tight end picks in the draft.  I feel like he is a well rounded TE with plenty of athleticism. Hockenson is more polished and played at a higher level of competition, but I think Oliver's upside is comparable.

 

I think it is higher. I would love us to get him. 

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The guy I'm pounding the table for if I'm a scout and looking for a sleeper is Jordan Brown a CB from South Dakota State. 3 year starter, 6'1 205 pounds 4.5 40 39.5 inch vert and a 10'8 broad jump.

 

Fits any defense....will need to be more physical in the pro game but he has a real chance to be a long term starter and will probably be a 3rd or 4th round pick.

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'll put this in here for an FYI.  WNY football fans may remember that in 2014 Jamestown and Cansius met for a game following state championship seasons.   One of the best players on the field that day was Stephen Carlson of JHS.  He caught 5 for 126 and had 13 tackles in the game won by Canisius.  He just finished his college career at Princeton and  bulked up to 240 lbs. by Princeton's Pro Day in an attempt to get an NFL shot at TE.  He's trying to get to 245 lbs. by the time of the draft and below are his Pro Day test results compared to Irv Smith Jrs' combine numbers.  I think he'll get a FA signing at least.  He's 6'4.1".

 

 

                 
  40 BP VJ BJ 3-cone 20 60  
  4.70 18 32.5 123 7.01 4.40 12.26  
  4.63 19 32.5 110 7.32 4.33 12.44  
                 

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i think i'd like to mention kahlil hodge lb ub. i think he can be another milano with a streaks of mack in him.

however, i think whoever picks dexter lawrence will get a dt that rivals q. williams in his 2nd year.

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I think a sleeper pick for the Bills is Byron Murphy. He's not a sleeper pick per se, because he is likely a first rounder, but I do think he is tailor made for the defense here. It would anger a lot of people if we took a pcorner that high, but Murphy across from White would be mighty tempting. I don't think he's a target at nine, but he could be in a trade down, or in a trade up from 40 if Murphy falls into the 20s. Just my 2 cents. 

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